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[Viewpoint]

You may have a point about Turkeys intervention in 1974 but what was to guarantee that we Cypriots would have stopped killing each other and return to the constitiution with no hidden agendas…

And as an alternative, Turkey came in and started killing us instead.

Viewpoint!
Do you know how many TCs were killed or went missing during the coup? Zero!
Do you know how many GCs were killed or went missing during and as a result of the coup? Only about 350!

Do you know how many GCs were killed during the first 3 days of the Turkish invasion? About 2,000, half of them after being taken hostages in Kyrenia and the surrounding villages -most of which were taken in the Kyrenia stadium and mass murdered.
Do you know how many TCs were killed by GCs or went missing after the lunching of the Turkish invasion and during the first 3 days, or until Kyrenia town was occupied? Less than 100!

Do you know how many TCs were taken captives by GCs after the Turkish invasion begun and during the first 1-36 hours? About 70,000! All the TC towns and villages in Pafos, Limassol, Larnaka and Famagusta districts. The only exception were the TC enclave of Lefkosia-Kionelli-agyrta and the old city of Famagusta.

Do you know when the first TC captives were murdered mainly by the EOKA B gangsters? After the 22rd of July, when all the news of what was happening in kyrenia by the Turkish Army against the GCs begun spreading around Cyprus.

Do all the above say anything to you?
Have the GCs, assuming that this was their intention, had the opportunity to massively kill thousands of TCs shortly after the Turkish invasion started on the 20th of July 1974? Surely they could! From the morning of the 20th of July and within the first 1-36 hours nearly 70,000 TCs were captured or surrendered. Did Turkey know that this could potentially have been the imitate reaction of the GCs upon the lunching of its military operation, namely the GCs to run over the majority of TC population around Cyprus? Of course they knew it! Did the GCs do it?

So viewpoint, stop the fairy tale stories that Turkey came here and saved you in 1974. The reality is that Turkey did put you in a great risk of potential extermination, should the GCs wanted to do that. And they had plenty of time to do it. Not only Turkey didn’t care about the risk they put you, but also on top of that they were particularly careless and senseless during their "peace operation," namely by mass murdering GC captives in Kyrenia and air bombing GC civilians along the Kyrenia coast.

Whats your source for all the above???

If you keep poking the aligator he will bite your head off...

[Viewpoint]

Surely the reason we are here on this forum is to test out own opinions and learn from the each other what the other side thinks and feels. Our exchange of words will either help clarify and understand specific issues.

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Please feel free to try and change my mind Im willing to read what you have to say but dont forget what you post generates both positive and negative developments in each individual.

Viewpoint,

On 10/3/05 and only days after you joined this forum you were posting in caps:
"WE DONT TRUST GCS AND WE DONT WANT TO LIVE WITH THEM".

Do you still want me to believe that you are here to learn new thinngs or test your current views? And do u understand why I consider any attempt to "change your mind" a total waste of one's time?

O.

You are free to believe what ever you wish, and the sentence above still stands for me, until a time if that ever comes I can trust the intentions of GCs and they win my trust to a degree that I can live with them but for now thats not possible. Make the right political moves and who knows what you will recieve in return, imo opinion you will very suprised.

[Kifeas]

Whats your source for all the above???

Tell me what you dispute from what I wrote and your own claims and then we challenge our sources.

If you keep poking the aligator he will bite your head off...

And who is the Aligator, you?

[Viewpoint]

Piratis

Positive actions? Positive action would be to allow our refugees to return to their home, to remove the Turkish troops, to allow legality to be restored, to allow human rights to be implemented. What positive action have they taken???

Since when it is arrogant to demand your human rights? Since when it is arrogant to demand no racial discrimination in your own country?

Opening of the boarders, opening of a Gc school, Yes to unification, Offer of Maras/Varosha, relaxation of stay in the north, offer of restart of talks, these come to mind. Piratis the refugees can return, and the troops will leave plus all your other demands when you agree a comprehensive solution that will convince us to take the actions you long for.

What is arrogant is the demand that the 18% of TCs should have the 50% of power and the 29% of land.

Piraits this 18% issue always makes me think! I have spoken to older TCs that say that a lot of land was disputed and illeagally taken from TCs and that we had more land in the 40s and 50s. Maybe we should allow an independent body to investigate this matter becasue as you know the Maras/Varosha land will be taken to international courts as it also disputed and we claim to have documentation that will prove who it belongs to. would you and other GCs accept the decision of an indpendent body if it revealed that TCs own around 25%? this could also go the other way which I personally would not have a problem with.

[Viewpoint]

Whats your source for all the above???

Tell me what you dispute from what I wrote and your own claims and then we challenge our sources.

If you keep poking the aligator he will bite your head off...

And who is the Aligator, you?

You could have made all those details up I want read your source if its GC or TC then forget it, if its independent then it would be very interesting.

The aligator Im sure you know who that is

[Kifeas]

Whats your source for all the above???

Tell me what you dispute from what I wrote and your own claims and then we challenge our sources.

If you keep poking the aligator he will bite your head off...

And who is the Aligator, you?

You could have made all those details up I want read your source if its GC or TC then forget it, if its independent then it would be very interesting.

The aligator Im sure you know who that is

No Viewpoint, I do not know who that is. Could you possibly enlighten me?

Where you in Limassol in 1974?

[Viewpoint]

Whats your source for all the above???

Tell me what you dispute from what I wrote and your own claims and then we challenge our sources.

If you keep poking the aligator he will bite your head off...

And who is the Aligator, you?

You could have made all those details up I want read your source if its GC or TC then forget it, if its independent then it would be very interesting.

The aligator Im sure you know who that is

No Viewpoint, I do not know who that is. Could you possibly enlighten me?

Where you in Limassol in 1974?

Aligator = Turkey

No I was not in Limasol in 1974 but I have relatives that were rounded up and put in football pitch and kept under the sun for days only being fed bread and very little water... many were taken never to return..

[Othellos]

You are free to believe what ever you wish, and the sentence above still stands for me, until a time if that ever comes I can trust the intentions of GCs and they win my trust to a degree that I can live with them but for now thats not possible.

I believe what I see, Viewpoint and I see what you post.

Make the right political moves and who knows what you will recieve in return, imo opinion you will very suprised.

I do not like surprises as sometimes they can be unpleasant.

O.

[Viewpoint]

You are free to believe what ever you wish, and the sentence above still stands for me, until a time if that ever comes I can trust the intentions of GCs and they win my trust to a degree that I can live with them but for now thats not possible.

I believe what I see, Viewpoint and I see what you post.

Make the right political moves and who knows what you will recieve in return, imo opinion you will very suprised.

I do not like surprises as sometimes they can be unpleasant.

O.

Othellos I meant it in a positive sense, I always state that if the trust issue was improved the GCs would not find so much resistence to issues which are sensative to them. Do you GCs realize this fact?? or dont they care?? I am aware its a 2 way street but with the YES to unification (forget the contents for just 1 second) TCs took a big step isnt it time for GCs to do the same.

[Kifeas]

No I was not in Limasol in 1974 but I have relatives that were rounded up and put in football pitch and kept under the sun for days only being fed bread and very little water... many were taken never to return..

Viewpoint, absolutely none went missing from the TCs that were taken in the Limassol GSO stadium!

This is the list of all missing TCs since 1963 as it was given to the RoC by the TC leadership through the UN.
http://www.mfa.gov.cy/mfa/mfa.nsf/461197E0FB59A525C2256D25003BB237/$FILE/TKCLIST.missing.pdf