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Re: Greek Cypriots Should Not Represent Sea Bed around Cypru

Postby Capt J Sparrow » Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:07 pm

kurupetos wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:Erm ... a reminder to all please that the Has Been Jack Straw represents the GB constituency of Blackburn, in north-western England, which has a very high proportion of voters with roots in south Asia.

... so of the view that again a case of politicians ditching principles and conscience for votes.

That's butter on my bread. Multiculturalism is responsible for the continuous division of Cyprus. :wink:


Then maybe you should leave!

There is a bit of of a problem when a Cypriot is so anti multiculturalism. Kind of hypocritical and just outright very dumb!

Oops, I forgot I was talking to Kurupelos.... :lol:
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Re: Greek Cypriots Should Not Represent Sea Bed around Cypru

Postby Get Real! » Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:02 pm

sTRAW wrote:Greek Cypriots Should Not Represent Sea Bed around Cyprus

He is 100% correct if we go by Ottoman law… :lol:
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Re: Greek Cypriots Should Not Represent Sea Bed around Cypru

Postby stylianos2 » Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:08 pm

Right now Jack Straw is probably the most hated man is RoC. What a scum bag, no mention of the rights of the people to choose their own destiny, the illegal occupation by Turkey or the war crimes committed by the Turks under article 49 of the Geneva convention amongst others. Straw supposes that the EU should impose or recognize the division of the Cyprus so that the primary obstacle to Turkey's entry into the EU is removed, he forgets that the then legal Greek Cypriot government will still be able to block Turkish entry into the EU. By endorsing Turkey's occupation Jack Straw is every bit the war criminal as those that he supports.
Eat sh*t and die Jack Straw
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Re: Greek Cypriots Should Not Represent Sea Bed around Cypru

Postby bill cobbett » Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:12 pm

stylianos2 wrote:Right now Jack Straw is probably the most hated man is RoC. What a scum bag, no mention of the rights of the people to choose their own destiny, the illegal occupation by Turkey or the war crimes committed by the Turks under article 49 of the Geneva convention amongst others. Straw supposes that the EU should impose or recognize the division of the Cyprus so that the primary obstacle to Turkey's entry into the EU is removed, he forgets that the then legal Greek Cypriot government will still be able to block Turkish entry into the EU. By endorsing Turkey's occupation Jack Straw is every bit the war criminal as those that he supports.
Eat sh*t and die Jack Straw


Gosh. ... Welcome to CF mate.

As to Ottoman law, Jock Straw prob favours Sharia Law.
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Re: Greek Cypriots Should Not Represent Sea Bed around Cypru

Postby supporttheunderdog » Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:38 pm

Jack sh*t that man of straw is a f*cking disgrace. I would say he should go f*ck himslef but he might like that. What a tosser !

I think someone should point out to him the number of Kibrilisi who hold ROC passports and where under the circumstancesthe ROC can speak for them: the anatolian Gypsy settlers who came after 74 have no right to have anyone to speak for them.
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Re: Greek Cypriots Should Not Represent Sea Bed around Cypru

Postby B25 » Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:39 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:Jack sh*t that man of straw is a f*cking disgrace. I would say he should go f*ck himslef but he might like that. What a tosser !

I think someone should point out to him the number of Kibrilisi who hold ROC passports and where under the circumstancesthe ROC can speak for them: the anatolian Gypsy settlers who came after 74 have no right to have anyone to speak for them.


Well said mate, perhaps you could sk Mr Straw if he would give British passports to the 200k+ illegals in the UK for good measure, oh and what about annexing Bradford to the Pakistani, Brixtion to the Jamaicans, N.London to the GCs, etc etc. F hypocrite, do as I say not as I do huh???

What an arsehole.
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Re: Greek Cypriots Should Not Represent Sea Bed around Cypru

Postby Nikitas » Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:19 am

Jack Straw is a politician and politicians do not speak without a reason.

He has spoken openly about partition. His status as a former FM makes his comments semi official.

Now expect the second phase. I hope I am wrong, but the second onslaught will be partition 50-50, extending the principle of equality of the two communities to the territorial issue. Britain has the leverage to force such a settlement by ceding its eastern base to the Turks.

Many times in here I told you that Britain is not a friendly power in the Cyprus issue. They have not forgotten that EOKA beat them and are determined to see a payback. This comment is not unconnected to the statements of Cameron when he visited Skopje and openly criticised Greece's objections to the name of that country. He conveniently forgot that the name is at the bottom of a list of objections.

At least the Americans, who have favored partition since the 60s, talk of an "equitable" approach.

Get ready for a new phase in the Cyprus issue that will have a lot more pressing than we had in the past.
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Re: Greek Cypriots Should Not Represent Sea Bed around Cypru

Postby boomerang » Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:12 pm

Middle East
Oct 15, 2011
Turkey awaits the Arab Spring
By M K Bhadrakumar

The Arab Spring has apparently had no impact whatsoever on Europe's entrenched views on Turkey. This much becomes clear from the annual report of the European Commission (EC) on Turkey issued in Brussels on Wednesday. The report took stock of Turkey's reform program in terms of its membership bid of the European Union (EU) and roundly censured the country over human rights and its increasingly acrimonious spat with Cyprus.

Conceivably, the EC report mummifies for a long time Turkey's EU bid, which has spluttered in the past year or two. To add insult to injury, the EC gave the green light to two of Ottoman Turkey's "grandchildren" in the Balkans - Serbia and Montenegro - on their respective aspirations to join the European club.

Recent months have been a heady period for Turkey, which has


convinced itself that the new Middle East taking shape in the upheaval of the Arab Spring would find it irresistible as a role model, and that the Western world would inevitably be compelled to revise its opinions and view Turkey in an altogether new light as the torchbearer of enlightenment in the Muslim world.

Wednesday's EC report comes as a reality check. The more things seemed to change, the more they remain the same. The EC report chastised Turkey about the lack of freedom of expression, women's rights and freedom of religion as falling below accepted standards in the liberal democracies of Europe. It estimated that the shortfalls continued to disqualify Turkey from joining the EU.

In a scathing reference, the EC report said, "In Turkey, the legal framework does not yet sufficiently safeguard freedom of expression. The high number of legal cases and investigations against journalists and undue pressure on the media raise serious concern."

Worn-out lens
The harsh criticism by the EC comes as an embarrassment when the leadership of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has been riding the wave of the Arab Spring in the Muslim Middle East and exhorting the Arab world to follow Turkey's unique example of combining or reconciling - depending on one's point of view - Western-style liberal democracy with Islam.

During his recent visit to Cairo, an assertive Erdogan crossed the Rubicon of Islam and gave audacious advice to the Egyptian people about the virtues of secularism - at a juncture when the Muslim Brotherhood is surging in that country and could be at the threshold of entering the corridors of power.

Curiously, the EC report has been received with ennui in Turkey. As prominent editor Murat Yetkin put it, "The truth is that fewer and fewer people in Turkey care about what the EU is saying on the country day by day." Yet, Turkey's Minister for Europe, Egemen Bagis, responded polemically to the EC report and alleged that the human-rights record of many EU member countries couldn't be "half as good as Turkey's".

He said the EC report was simply out of focus:
Although the report tries to take an objective and balanced picture of Turkey, we think that the camera used by the commission is old with a worn-out lens and the lens needs to be changed, as the picture has taken lots of blurred parts and the camera seems to be zooming on the false points.
Bagis maintained for the record that Turkey would not be detracted from its chosen path of an EC-membership bid. However, he added the caveat that "full membership is Turkey's only goal, no other goals can be accepted". Turkey bristles at the "privileged partnership" that has been mooted by France and Germany as an alternative to regular membership.

Objectively, the EC report is fair and balanced. It commends the Erdogan government for initiating civilian supremacy over the military, is supportive of his agenda to draw up a new constitution and even praises Turkey's economic policies. On the other hand, it flags Turkey's poor record of individual liberty and civil rights, the rule of law, freedom of expression, women's rights and the erosion of the autonomy of regulatory bodies. "Significant further efforts are required to guarantee fundamental rights in most areas."

However, these European perspectives don't surprise Turkey. The common perception in Turkey is that Brussels keeps coming up with excuses for not admitting Turkey into what is essentially a Christian club. The EC decision to encourage the membership bid by Serbia and Montenegro and to leave Turkey's accession hanging will only reinforce the grouse of "cultural" discrimination toward Turks.

The latest EC report may also have shifted the goal posts by introducing a new template, namely, Turkey's latest acrimonious rift with Cyprus, which erupted over gas deposits in the Eastern Mediterranean.

The report criticized Turkey for its strong reaction to the recent gas drilling by Cyprus in the Eastern Mediterranean and for carrying the rift to a potential flashpoint by starting its own seismic exploration in the region under a Turkish naval presence. It demanded that Turkey should make progress in normalizing relations with Cyprus and avoid "any kind of threat, source of friction or action that could damage good neighborly relations and the peaceful settlement of disputes".

Evidently, the new assertiveness in Turkey's regional policies is not going down well in European opinion. In addition to Turkey's showdown with Cyprus, European countries have been urging Ankara to address the tensions in its relations with Israel, but Erdogan has been in no mood to listen, and the rupture with Israel happens to be the one issue that has probably overnight made him a hero on the Arab street, while it has cost Turkey virtually nothing.

Europe always took with a pinch of salt Turkey's claims to play a leadership role in its surrounding regions. It sidelined Turkey's swagger in the Balkans in the project over the disbandment of Yugoslavia; more recently, France initially didn't even invite Turkey to the conclave discussing the Western intervention in Libya, although Arab countries were invited.

Tunisia surges
Most certainly, Europe (especially France) will ignore Turkey's claim for any leadership role in Syria or the Levant, leave alone in the Maghreb region. The vocal supporter of Turkey's regional leadership of a democratic Middle East happens to be Saudi Arabia and it has a special interest in doing so. French President Nicolas Sarkozy went to the Caucasus recently and put down Turkey rather harshly in an unwarranted display of derision.

The paradox, as the EC report implies, is that Turkey's own exciting reform program has ground to a virtual halt in the recent past, while Erdogan has been exhorting the Middle East to reform. Thoughtful Turkish commentators realize this contradiction. One of Turkey's most respected political observers, Sedat Ergin, drew attention to this in a column this week titled "The problem of fine-tuning policies on Syria".

Ergin wrote, "As soon as the winds named 'Arab Spring' started blowing, [Turkey] took the stance supporting the demands for change and democracy." Turkey's choice, he argued, was and is essentially correct, but a contradiction nonetheless arises when Turkey expresses such robust opinions favoring democratic reform. Ergin pointed out:
The Syrian regime's actions against the opposition groups coincide with a time when Peace and Democracy Party [Kurdish political party] members are being subjected to mass arrests, when elected deputies are kept in jails and when the space for the Kurdish political movement to operate within democratic bounds is being entirely constricted in Turkey.
Credit must be given to Erdogan that such frank discussions on the Kurdish problem are possible at all in today's Turkey, whereas, before his advent to power, the Kurdish problem itself used to be forbidden terrain for public discourse. All the same, the past two years have been more or less barren, and Erdogan was even regressive on the democratization front despite being so advantageously placed in Turkish domestic politics.

Erdogan needs to pay heed to the EC report when it gently underscores that Turkey is neglecting to do its own homework while immersed in espousing the cause of democratization in the Middle East. Out of the 35 chapters of the EU's Acquis Communautaire that Turkey is expected to comply with to gain membership, negotiations have begun on only 13 chapters in the entire period since 2005 when the accession talks began under Erdogan's stewardship.

The EU, it increasingly appears, was actually the driving force behind Erdogan's democratization program, and today the disconcerting reality is that Turkey may be losing interest in the EU membership project. A leading Turkish columnist, Semih Idiz, summed up the mood:
Turkish-EU membership talks are currently at a standstill, with little prospect of being revived soon ... EU is not something the majority of Turks look to with confidence or enthusiasm anymore ... The average Turk is aware of the obstacles strewn on Turkey's path ... Put another way, the "EU stick" simply does not work anymore ... because the "EU carrot" is not enticing for Turkey anymore, especially at a time of turmoil in Europe itself.
Indeed, Turkey's resounding success as an economic power-house during Erdogan's rule and the crisis shaking the European economies do present contrasting pictures that are misleading public opinion that Turkey could as well do without EU membership. No doubt, the EU's political leverage on Turkey is diminishing.

If so, where will a fresh impetus for reform come from? The Turkish official claim is that the government has an innate urge to reform the country, no matter the EU membership bid. But that isn't a convincing enough argument. So, could it be from the Arab Spring, which, ironically, Erdogan is charioting abroad?

As Tunisia heads for an historic poll on October 23 to elect an assembly that would frame a new constitution, Islamist leader Rachid Ghannouchi stole a march over Erdogan by fielding as candidate for the Ennahda party in the capital, Tunis, a woman who does not wear a head scarf. Even after nearly nine decades of constitutional rule, Turkey has not reached a comparable point.

Ambassador M K Bhadrakumar was a career diplomat in the Indian Foreign Service. His assignments included the Soviet Union, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Germany, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Kuwait and Turkey.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MJ15Ak01.html


the strawman has reached his by used date...end of the day he can froth all he wants, but actions speak louder than words...turkey has in fact been sidelined...her relevance diminishing with every move...hence resulting to violence, the final act of a desperation...

i say desperation, coz she continually pushes her self in a corner, with ourages rhetoric and then she cries for help from the US for a bone just so they can sell it to the masses, turks, with their useless papers...what a con...once you start reading the wikileaks you will understand the ploy...

this time with israel, turkey's ploy backfired...i think we gonna see a lot of turkish backfiring in the near future...
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Re: Greek Cypriots Should Not Represent Sea Bed around Cypru

Postby ZoC » Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:11 pm

Nikitas wrote:Jack Straw is a politician and politicians do not speak without a reason.

He has spoken openly about partition. His status as a former FM makes his comments semi official.

Now expect the second phase. I hope I am wrong, but the second onslaught will be partition 50-50, extending the principle of equality of the two communities to the territorial issue. Britain has the leverage to force such a settlement by ceding its eastern base to the Turks.

Many times in here I told you that Britain is not a friendly power in the Cyprus issue. They have not forgotten that EOKA beat them and are determined to see a payback. This comment is not unconnected to the statements of Cameron when he visited Skopje and openly criticised Greece's objections to the name of that country. He conveniently forgot that the name is at the bottom of a list of objections.


wot evidence do u have there is a connection, nikitas? i don't believe the two are connected at all. 'bout time we stopped connecting our issues with greece and its paranoia.

Nikitas wrote:At least the Americans, who have favored partition since the 60s, talk of an "equitable" approach.

Get ready for a new phase in the Cyprus issue that will have a lot more pressing than we had in the past.


wot? now the jews and cyps are golonjevraji? i doubt it somehow...
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Re: Greek Cypriots Should Not Represent Sea Bed around Cypru

Postby kimon07 » Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:34 am

Jack Straw forgot to mention that under the Annan Plan and further to his own suggestions, big part of the EEZ of South CY would now belong to the UK as sovereign area of the British Bases.
Gr. Cypriots, by rejecting the plan saved the wealth of CY from this Grand Theft.
Turkish Cyriots should be grateful for that.

Look up
http://wiki.phantis.com/index.php/Annan_Plan_for_Cyprus
according to which:
• The Plan did not address the issue of the British Sovereign Base Areas (SBAs) on the island, although parts of the SBAs would be transferred to the governments of the two consituent states.
• The British were granted rights to unilaterally define the continental shelf and territorial waters along two base areas and to claim potential mineral rights. Under the 1959-1960 London Zurich agreements, Britain did not have such rights (see the 2nd annex to the Additional Protocol to the 1959 Treaty of Establishment).
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