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[CBBB]

An excerpt from a recent European Commission Study:

The highest statutory salaries compared with the GDP per capita can be seen in Portugal (274 % of the GDP per
capita), Cyprus (244 % of the GDP per capita) and Germany (218 % of the GDP per capita).

http://eacea.ec.europa.eu/education/eur ... laries.pdf

I am sure they were complaining recently that they were among the most badly paid in Europe.

There are some other very interesting bits of information in this study, such as the average salary of a Head Teacher at all levels is €58,598, and that is for their 4/5 hours a day for only 182 days a year!

They think they are hard done by!

[Sotos]

To be fair it is 6 hours a day (7:30-13:30) and that doesn't include preparation, correction of tests, essays etc and extra-curriculum activities. Also that 244% is for the maximum salary of headmasters. If you compare with the minimum salary that is not that high and even in Turkey it is higher. And from what I understand it is this minimum salary that they want to reduce. And note that this comparison is for public schools only. In some countries their public education is very bad and many people have to send their children to private schools which are very expensive. The educators should be among the most educated and qualified people in a country and you can't expect them to be paid the average GDP per capita.

[CBBB]

To be fair it is 6 hours a day (7:30-13:30) and that doesn't include preparation, correction of tests, essays etc and extra-curriculum activities. Also that 244% is for the maximum salary of headmasters. If you compare with the minimum salary that is not that high and even in Turkey it is higher. And from what I understand it is this minimum salary that they want to reduce. And note that this comparison is for public schools only. In some countries their public education is very bad and many people have to send their children to private schools which are very expensive. The educators should be among the most educated and qualified people in a country and you can't expect them to be paid the average GDP per capita.

Our teachers may be the most educated and qualified people in the country, that doesn't mean they can teach, and considering the amount people have to pay for private lessons for their kids, they obviously can't teach!

[johbee]

The media is attacking the teachers for some unknown reason. They have skewed the truth and I know one teacher who spends her afternoons and evenings on preparation and regularly attends seminars and always supports and helps her students. Probably works over 50 hours per week. The sad truth is that after fifteen years of service her salary is a fraction of what it would be in the private sector at about Euro 30,000. That is not a lot in this expensive place we live. The problem is that the entire system needs to be overhauled. If the schools offered education to the GCE levels then all the afternoon lessons would be stopped. When I say this many say that you don't need GCE's, but it's obvious that the public want this so why doesn't the government listen and give the people what they want? The school system is a disgrace, but it's not because of the teachers. It's because of the way they are appointed, the way they are not reviewed, the way they are not held accountable, and the education program they follow. The entire systems needs a radical overhaul.

[CBBB]

The media is attacking the teachers for some unknown reason. They have skewed the truth and I know one teacher who spends her afternoons and evenings on preparation and regularly attends seminars and always supports and helps her students. Probably works over 50 hours per week. The sad truth is that after fifteen years of service her salary is a fraction of what it would be in the private sector at about Euro 30,000. That is not a lot in this expensive place we live. The problem is that the entire system needs to be overhauled. If the schools offered education to the GCE levels then all the afternoon lessons would be stopped. When I say this many say that you don't need GCE's, but it's obvious that the public want this so why doesn't the government listen and give the people what they want? The school system is a disgrace, but it's not because of the teachers. It's because of the way they are appointed, the way they are not reviewed, the way they are not held accountable, and the education program they follow. The entire systems needs a radical overhaul.

The teacher you know is one of the exceptions, and it is not just for GCEs that kids do private lessons, many do them to get their school leaving certificate as their parents were told by their teachers they needed them. We all know who it is that gives the private lessons, the same teachers that teach them at school.

[johbee]

The media is attacking the teachers for some unknown reason. They have skewed the truth and I know one teacher who spends her afternoons and evenings on preparation and regularly attends seminars and always supports and helps her students. Probably works over 50 hours per week. The sad truth is that after fifteen years of service her salary is a fraction of what it would be in the private sector at about Euro 30,000. That is not a lot in this expensive place we live. The problem is that the entire system needs to be overhauled. If the schools offered education to the GCE levels then all the afternoon lessons would be stopped. When I say this many say that you don't need GCE's, but it's obvious that the public want this so why doesn't the government listen and give the people what they want? The school system is a disgrace, but it's not because of the teachers. It's because of the way they are appointed, the way they are not reviewed, the way they are not held accountable, and the education program they follow. The entire systems needs a radical overhaul.

The teacher you know is one of the exceptions, and it is not just for GCEs that kids do private lessons, many do them to get their school leaving certificate as their parents were told by their teachers they needed them. We all know who it is that gives the private lessons, the same teachers that teach them at school.

Hmmmm. I have four kids and they do many lessons none of them from public school teachers. If they are reported they can be dismissed and if you know of any I suggest you report them.

[CBBB]

The media is attacking the teachers for some unknown reason. They have skewed the truth and I know one teacher who spends her afternoons and evenings on preparation and regularly attends seminars and always supports and helps her students. Probably works over 50 hours per week. The sad truth is that after fifteen years of service her salary is a fraction of what it would be in the private sector at about Euro 30,000. That is not a lot in this expensive place we live. The problem is that the entire system needs to be overhauled. If the schools offered education to the GCE levels then all the afternoon lessons would be stopped. When I say this many say that you don't need GCE's, but it's obvious that the public want this so why doesn't the government listen and give the people what they want? The school system is a disgrace, but it's not because of the teachers. It's because of the way they are appointed, the way they are not reviewed, the way they are not held accountable, and the education program they follow. The entire systems needs a radical overhaul.

The teacher you know is one of the exceptions, and it is not just for GCEs that kids do private lessons, many do them to get their school leaving certificate as their parents were told by their teachers they needed them. We all know who it is that gives the private lessons, the same teachers that teach them at school.

Hmmmm. I have four kids and they do many lessons none of them from public school teachers. If they are reported they can be dismissed and if you know of any I suggest you report them.

I would report them if they weren't related!

[johbee]

LOL, Ahhh yes, part of the koumparos network!

[Get Real!]

Its 6-7 hours p/day and you then go home to write up and correct tests, some nights working till 10-11pm. Outside of school hours you are also expected to attend parent’s meetings, school meetings, organize and run annual festivities, write up reports for incidents, deal with needy and problematic kids without training, etc.

As a bonus you also cop the abuse and insults of everyone’s badly brought up kids so most of you myself included, wouldn’t last a year in this environment… you’d probably murder a couple of them and end up in prison!

I wouldn’t want this shitty job for twice as much.

[bill cobbett]

Its 6-7 hours p/day and you then go home to write up and correct tests, some nights working till 10-11pm. Outside of school hours you are also expected to attend parent’s meetings, school meetings, organize and run annual festivities, write up reports for incidents, deal with needy and problematic kids without training, etc.

As a bonus you also cop the abuse and insults of everyone’s badly brought up kids so most of you myself included, wouldn’t last a year in this environment… you’d probably murder a couple of them and end up in prison!

I wouldn’t want this shitty job for twice as much.

Deffo... Mrs BillC teaches and although it can be a very rewarding job it can also sometimes be a shitty job... and it's not just some of the children who are badly behaved and out of control, some of the parents behave appallingly and set the most outrageously bad examples in their interactions with teaching staff. Too many seem to have some kind of behavioural problem so if they can't control themselves, how can they control their off-spring?