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[CBBB]

Bravo Pirati, for that excellent summation of the Cyprus situation.

Piratis for President!

the spartan wannabe? to be fair he probably looks better in a skirt than kozakou-marcoullis...

I don't know anyone who wouldn't look better in a skirt than Kozakou-Marcoullis!

[ZoC]

i still love her though.

[CBBB]

i still love her though.

[kurupetos]

i still love her though.

You perv!

[Get Real!]

i still love her though.

For just $2,500.99 + VAT, I can deliver this to your bedroom...

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[ZoC]

oh, u guys just don't know her like i do...

[supporttheunderdog]

Bravo Pirati, for that excellent summation of the Cyprus situation.

Piratis for President!

the spartan wannabe? to be fair he probably looks better in a skirt than kozakou-marcoullis...

Are you sure it is not Chris Toffee *rse in drag?

[Piratis]

And who are the "non bigots" according to you then? Those who are willing to give up their most basic human and democratic rights and kiss the ass of Turkey? During the referendum the percentage of such fools was 24%. Today most of them woke up and you must be one of the very last.

Years of discussions in this forum and elsewhere proved that there is no chance in a million that we will find a peaceful solution. The Turks invaded our country, stole our lands, they believe that they won the war and that now the "solution" is just our signuture for our capitulation so that the "realities" they forced on the ground would be legalized.

Well, by now they must have realized that such thing is not happening.

Solution means correcting and not merely acceptiing what is wrong. Solution means restoring the human rights of all Cypriots, not legalizing the human rights violations. Solution means uniting Cyprus, not officially dividing it into Greek and Turkish. Solution means abolishing racism and segregation, not institutionalizing them. Solution means democracy, not dysfunctional, undemocratic systems that will collapse in no time. Are these basic principles that every nation strives to achieve "bigoted" according to you? Or maybe you think of Cypriots as second category humans who should accept to sacrifice all those things just to serve the interests of a foreign country and a small minority?

Sorry bananiot, but we will not capitulate. The TCs have realized this, and it is about time you realized this as well.

This sums up the position very well and would make a great introduction for expressing the Greek Cypriot perspective to the UN, the EU and anyone else who needs to understand the Cyprus problem. I could also mention that under article 49 of the Geneva convention IV it is a war crime to transfer settlers into occupied lands. Have you ever thought of writing political speeches because this is a very powerful message.

What I write is actually nothing more than what should be obvious. Unfortunately we got so used to having our most basic rights violated and negotiated that what would be outrageous in every civilized country is considered as the norm here. In other civilized countries those who want to negotiate the basic human rights of citizens and propose racist discriminations and segregation as "solutions" to problems, are branded as racist extremists, and rightly so.

Our leadership made what was initially called "painful compromises" in the hope that some sort of solution would be found that would at least be better than the status quo and the de facto partition. Unfortunately they got so carried away with accepting one painful compromise after another, that not only the Cyprus Problem was not solved, but if all those compromises are actually implemented we will end up with a problem bigger than the one we were trying to solve and with Cyprus officially divided.

Furthermore, some people seem to forget that those compromises were made under conditions of blackmail and brute force, and they talk about compromising basic human rights, legalizing ethnic cleansing and institutionalizing racism and forced segregation as if they were the most normal things on the planet, branding as "bigots" everyone who doesn't accept their racist and extremist position.

[Pyrpolizer]

While I totally disagree with Bananiot calling everyone who objects his views a "bigot", the point is that our human rights are violated, conditions of segregation already exist etc etc, and we can do nothing about it other than negotiate for a solution.

And i don't see any of the so called civilized Countries that you mention giving a shit about this, not even the UK who is supposedly a Guarantor power.

The question is how do we get from today's situation to the ideal as it exists in other civilized countries? And I don't think there is an easy answer to this not even with the shifting of the Balance of powers.

The worst that can happen to the Kibrislis is their rolling back to the 1960 agreements, which actually is a segregation system.

Imo Democracies need time to mature and we have to start from somewhere as a united nation,to get to the ideal over time.The start WILL NOT be ideal, that's for sure.

What I disagree with Bananiot is that he thought the Anan Plan was an acceptable starting point whereas I (and most Kypreoi) believe it was worst that the existing situation.
However I also disagree with you Piratis, because I m very sorry to say but your ideal is just an impossibility, to ever become a starting point

NB. May I remind you that within the RoC controlled areas every non refugee with just a few acres of land, today became a millionaire on the expense of refugees. If that is not a racist system making half the people rich on the expense of those who lost everything then what is it?

[boulio]

i dont think they are boycotting just lying low and waiting for something to happen or go wrong and then their going to pounce all over the forum.