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What price is the RoC willing to pay for a solution?

The dismantling of Turkey is what everyone here agrees about but please don’t ask for more.

[Maximus]

What price is the RoC willing to pay for a solution?

The dismantling of Turkey is what everyone here agrees about but please don’t ask for more.

It all sounds like more extortion to me.

[Maximus]

Hi All,

It is always easier to do nothing, blame the other, or outsiders, than find answers - Instead of shouting 'something must be done' why not do something?

If you hold out for a 'perfect solution' and the gas money comes then expect no solution as the remaining TCs in the north move south.

I suppose they would not really need to support an end to the occupation from that point onwards either, they will happily come and go between the north and the south and generally do as they please. It is always easier to do nothing and blame others or outsiders than find answers - instead of shouting 'something must be done' why not do something?

[Hermes]

If the TCs are 100k but the population is 250-300k what are you going to offer the non-TC population? Here is an idea 'EU citizenship or EUR 100k per household to leave' on the condition that the suspensions to the EU aquis are only for the transition period.

The RoC is about to have a gas fired economy so should be able to afford, at worst, EUR 20 billion over say 10 years, you might be able to get the EU to part fund this as well. I know 'why should we pay this is?' but that leads to 'how much do you want a solution?'.

The RoC will no doubt put aside a share of any potential gas revenue as an incentive to TCs for a solution. This would include the 50,000 settlers the RoC has generously allowed to stay. As for the remaining 100,000 settlers they will of course have to leave and will need inducements to do so. The understanding has always been that Turkey and the international community will bear the brunt of the cost.

I can't see any reason why the RoC shouldn't contribute to the settlers' leaving though. We could lay on special flights at no cost and a small cash "bonus" to help them start a new life in Anatolia. I'm sure we could come up with other imaginative inducements: a voucher to buy a couple of donkeys for example. It's not that difficult...

[B25]

Mate, my answer is F*ck the settlers, they have been nothing but trouble and are turkeys problem not ours.

No one agreed to 50k to stay, because nothing is agreed until everything is agreed, remember.

Settlers are illegal, they can sod off and re-apply if they wish. As for the TCs, well, first we will deduct all the costs to date from any share we may give to them.

They gave up any rights the minute they abandoned the RoC and sided with the illegal occupier. Tough shit, they made their bed, they can sleep in it.

Enough said.

@AWE, if you care so much for the settlers, you fund them, don't expect us to.

[Maximus]

I can't see any reason why the RoC shouldn't contribute to the settlers' leaving though. We could lay on special flights at no cost and a small cash "bonus" to help them start a new life in Anatolia. I'm sure we could come up with other imaginative inducements: a voucher to buy a couple of donkeys for example. It's not that difficult...

agreed, it is not that difficult.

The citizens of the republic (this will include the TC's) will eventually have to pay because the RoC will pass on this cost in the form of taxes to Cypriot citizens. Although AWE may believe that this proposal is favourable to his side, when the reality is that the TC's will take the brunt of this cost as well. they will be participating in the unified government from then. This is a poor solution to this aspect of the problem to Cypriots, moving forwards.

Turkey should be paying, instead of compensating the refugees she can compensate the settlers and at least keep the money in Turkey. she can also arrange to move them all back because Turkey is the gaurantor and whichever way she interprets this, the buck stops there.

[B25]

I can't see any reason why the RoC shouldn't contribute to the settlers' leaving though. We could lay on special flights at no cost and a small cash "bonus" to help them start a new life in Anatolia. I'm sure we could come up with other imaginative inducements: a voucher to buy a couple of donkeys for example. It's not that difficult...

Turkey is the gaurantor and whichever way she interprets this, the buck stops there.

Was the guarantor who is currenlt abusing that position.

Greece the other one were too messed up to do anything and the third, UK, well, lets just say they F up.

[Hermes]

The citizens of the republic (this will include the TC's) will eventually have to pay because the RoC will pass on this cost in the form of taxes to Cypriot citizens. Although AWE may believe that this proposal is favourable to his side, when the reality is that the TC's will take the brunt of this cost as well. they will be participating in the unified government from then. This is a poor solution to this aspect of the problem to Cypriots, moving forwards.

Turkey should be paying, instead of compensating the refugees she can compensate the settlers and at least keep the money in Turkey. she can also arrange to move them all back because Turkey is the gaurantor and whichever way she interprets this, the buck stops there.

The best solution is if all settlers are relocated to Turkey, at the expense of the Turkish government, except for those who now have family links with TCs. In the long term it will bring about more stability. If the settlers remain for 'humanitarian' reasons, as Turkey wants, they will end up being a despised, largely unemployed underclass and a source of friction that will remain a problem for years to come. The more "humane" solution is they return to their original homes where they will quickly re-settle into the culture they are familiar with.

I agree with B25 that they are Turkey's problem. We don't want them becoming our problem. I don't see why the EU or UN can't also provide them with financial inducements to leave. It's immoral to expect Greek Cypriots solely to pay. The EU has a role to play on this and they should be more vocal about picking up the bill for repatriation of these illegal migrants along with Turkey who induced these people to leave their villages in the first place. As net contributors to the EU, the RoC will pay for these settlers to leave indirectly anyway, without giving the impression that we are subsidising them to leave.

[Maximus]

Was the guarantor who is currenlt abusing that position.

Greece the other one were too messed up to do anything and the third, UK, well, lets just say they F up.

My mistake, Turkey is the gaurantor of the TRNC and because some Turkish Cypriots have rights in the republic of Cyprus, both Turkey and the TRNC have a right to the whole of Cyprus, even though they do not recognise it.

Have I understood the relationship between all the parties correctly? or am I completely confused?

[Hermes]

Mate, my answer is F*ck the settlers, they have been nothing but trouble and are turkeys problem not ours.

Okay. I withdraw my suggestion that we offer the settlers a couple of donkeys each as an inducement to leave.