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[AWE]

This is great news for both Gcs and Tcs as the money will flow to the south and the Tcs will be able to cross, reside for 6 months and get their property back, find work, receive benefits etc as Cypriot nationals. But will it make Turkey leave the north?

I don't think so.

What is becoming increasingly clear is the fact that Turkey doesn't care about the TCs. Turkey just uses them to keep its grubby hands on Cyprus. This is starting to sink in with the TCs as well. And the potential for oil and gas has been a big game changer. The TCs would like to be a part of it, but they are trapped by Turkey.

The smoke and mirror act Turkey is playing with its so called seismic surveys in the RoC EEZ aims to keep the TC element in check and under control, because Turkey fears it may lose control over them. But even if every TC leaves, Turkey will not change its stance unless the oil and gas becomes the catalyst for international pressure and even intervention.

The international pressure is coming from all directions now, but will it lead to intervention? Turkey is now finding out that it will not be able to rely on any support from countries which were behind her over many decades. The Jewish lobby is a powerful creature, and their interests in Cyprus are exponentially increasing on a weekly basis.

Hi Capt,

I agree that the TCs may leave the north, then it becomes populated by settlers so where do the talks go then? nowhere I fear.

As to intervention there needs to be an awful lot of gas to make it worth while. Any intervention will be to secure the gas, not free Cyprus, so as long as Turkey doesn't interdict the gas supply no one is going to go to war about something they have easy access to!

This raises the question of the Jewish lobby, they can make the US side with them regarding Hamas and Gaza, Palestinians etc, but go to war with Turkey no way.

[Get Real!]

This raises the question of the Jewish lobby, they can make the US side with them regarding Hamas and Gaza, Palestinians etc, but go to war with Turkey no way.

Turkey’s instability and volatility makes her relationships and thus the game open for anything.

[Pyrpolizer]

This is great news for both Gcs and Tcs as the money will flow to the south and the Tcs will be able to cross, reside for 6 months and get their property back, find work, receive benefits etc as Cypriot nationals. But will it make Turkey leave the north?

I don't think so.

What is becoming increasingly clear is the fact that Turkey doesn't care about the TCs. Turkey just uses them to keep its grubby hands on Cyprus. This is starting to sink in with the TCs as well. And the potential for oil and gas has been a big game changer. The TCs would like to be a part of it, but they are trapped by Turkey.

The smoke and mirror act Turkey is playing with its so called seismic surveys in the RoC EEZ aims to keep the TC element in check and under control, because Turkey fears it may lose control over them. But even if every TC leaves, Turkey will not change its stance unless the oil and gas becomes the catalyst for international pressure and even intervention.

The international pressure is coming from all directions now, but will it lead to intervention? Turkey is now finding out that it will not be able to rely on any support from countries which were behind her over many decades. The Jewish lobby is a powerful creature, and their interests in Cyprus are exponentially increasing on a weekly basis.

Hi Capt,

I agree that the TCs may leave the north, then it becomes populated by settlers so where do the talks go then? nowhere I fear.

As to intervention there needs to be an awful lot of gas to make it worth while. Any intervention will be to secure the gas, not free Cyprus, so as long as Turkey doesn't interdict the gas supply no one is going to go to war about something they have easy access to!

This raises the question of the Jewish lobby, they can make the US side with them regarding Hamas and Gaza, Palestinians etc, but go to war with Turkey no way.

We need more voices of reason like yours AWE.
For the last month or so we don't hear anything else other than gas and stuff.

[Maximus]

Hi Capt,

I agree that the TCs may leave the north, then it becomes populated by settlers so where do the talks go then? nowhere I fear.

The north has been overpopulated by settlers!

The TCs are leaving!

The talks have not been going anywhere!

What will change when all the TCs are gone? not much. Turkey will have one less excuse to be in Cyprus and the RoC will continue with its struggle against Turkey's occupation. I would bet that the TCs will become a rarity in Cyprus before the Republic is free from Turkeys occupation, putting an end to the feasibility of bizonality.

[AWE]

I would bet that the TCs will become a rarity in Cyprus before the Republic is free from Turkeys occupation, putting an end to the feasibility of bizonality.

And unfortunately the settlers will vote on any plan, as they did on AP4, and UN/EU et al can't say they won't be allowed to given this precedent. As a unity state and full partition are not on the cards, a BBF is the only answer so as such the RoC/TRNC will have to find a solution that also meets the concerns of the 'electorate' of the north as well as the south. The only alternative is to drive forward Turkey's EU membership so that it will leave the north, as a precondition of membership, and the settlers are then counted as EU nationals so have the same rights as any EU national in the RoC.

[Maximus]

And unfortunately the settlers will vote on any plan, as they did on AP4, and UN/EU et al can't say they won't be allowed to given this precedent. As a unity state and full partition are not on the cards, a BBF is the only answer so as such the RoC/TRNC will have to find a solution that also meets the concerns of the 'electorate' of the north as well as the south. The only alternative is to drive forward Turkey's EU membership so that it will leave the north, as a precondition of membership, and the settlers are then counted as EU nationals so have the same rights as any EU national in the RoC.

This is being discussed as part of the ongoing peace talks. Eroglu is proposing unlimited settlers, the RoC will be on the opposite side of the spectrum. If what you say is true, and if I was Erdogan I would 'Cycle' all Turks from the mainland through the TRNC so they can get TRNC citizenship. As a byproduct of a solution to the Cyprus problem, all Turks will be european citizens without Turkey having to qualify.

Impasse? You cant fit big square pegs in small round holes.

[Maximus]

http://www.cyprusweekly.com.cy/main/92, ... 5830-.aspx

11 February 2010 09:12

Euro Parliament urges Turkey to withdraw troops from Cyprus

BRUSSELS - The European Parliament has called on Turkey to immediately withdraw its occupation forces from Cyprus and facilitate the ongoing peace talks on a political settlement in Cyprus, as a necessary precondition for its EU accession course.

The European Parliament adopted Wednesday a resolution on Turkey’s Progress Report by show of hands. The resolution, which was based on a report drafted by Dutch MEP Ria Oomen-Ruijten (EPP, NL), says that the Turkish Government should contribute ''in concrete terms'' to the comprehensive settlement of the Cyprus issue, based on a bizonal, bicommunal federation.

By immediately starting the withdrawal of its forces from the northern part of the island and addressing the issue of settlements of Turkish citizens, Turkey would help ''facilitate a suitable climate for negotiations'', it is stated.

The EP calls on the Turkish government to contribute in concrete terms to the comprehensive settlement of the Cyprus issue, based on a bizonal, bicommunal federation, in line with the relevant UN Security Council resolutions and the principles on which the EU is founded.

It also urges Turkey to facilitate a suitable climate for the Cyprus negotiations by immediately starting to withdraw its forces from Cyprus, by addressing the issue of the settlement of Turkish citizens on the island and by enabling the return of the sealed-off section of Famagusta to its lawful inhabitants in compliance with resolution 550 (1984) of the UN Security Council.

The EP deplores the non-implementation of the Additional Protocol to the EC-Turkey Association Agreement for the ''fourth consecutive year''.

The report warns that failure to implement fully and without delay, in a non discriminatory way, the Additional Protocol to the EC-Turkey Association Agreement could seriously affect its accession negotiations.

The MEPs also said that progress on concrete reforms remained limited in 2009.

During the debate before the voting, Spanish Minister for European Affairs Lopez Garrido stressed that the implementation of the Additional Ankara Protocol constitutes a necessity for the continuation of the EU – Turkey accession negotiations.

“If there is no progress on this, no more chapters can be opened”, Garrido underlined.

[Laplace]

And unfortunately the settlers will vote on any plan, as they did on AP4, and UN/EU et al can't say they won't be allowed to given this precedent. As a unity state and full partition are not on the cards, a BBF is the only answer so as such the RoC/TRNC will have to find a solution that also meets the concerns of the 'electorate' of the north as well as the south. The only alternative is to drive forward Turkey's EU membership so that it will leave the north, as a precondition of membership, and the settlers are then counted as EU nationals so have the same rights as any EU national in the RoC.

This is being discussed as part of the ongoing peace talks. Eroglu is proposing unlimited settlers, the RoC will be on the opposite side of the spectrum. If what you say is true, and if I was Erdogan I would 'Cycle' all Turks from the mainland through the TRNC so they can get TRNC citizenship. As a byproduct of a solution to the Cyprus problem, all Turks will be european citizens without Turkey having to qualify.

Impasse? You cant fit big square pegs in small round holes.

I don't think impasse is the right way to look at it. The turks hold all the cards, (apart from actually having a righteous position) so they can put forward the most audacious positions at no cost, no one does or ever will call them on it (in the interests of being 'neutral' or 'impartial'). This is of course nonsense; small nations live by the rules of larger nations. Whosoever is threatened by the turks can either give in to them, or to one or a combination of protectors, such as the Germans via the EU, the Russians, the Americans...no one will rescue Cyprus from this position without taking a cut for themselves.

In the case of mineral resources, the big dogs might be better off with the RoC in control, if only because they can then get their hands on those resources more readily than if those resources were under the control of the turks. Just like the west prefers for as much of the oil and gas in the gulf to be in under the control of small, weak nations such as Kuwait, Qatar, and Bahrain, rather than larger nations like Iran and Iraq.

[Laplace]

http://www.cyprusweekly.com.cy/main/92,1,283,0,5830-.aspx

11 February 2010 09:12

Euro Parliament urges Turkey to withdraw troops from Cyprus

BRUSSELS - The European Parliament has called on Turkey to immediately withdraw its occupation forces from Cyprus and facilitate the ongoing peace talks on a political settlement in Cyprus, as a necessary precondition for its EU accession course.

The European Parliament adopted Wednesday a resolution on Turkey’s Progress Report by show of hands. The resolution, which was based on a report drafted by Dutch MEP Ria Oomen-Ruijten (EPP, NL), says that the Turkish Government should contribute ''in concrete terms'' to the comprehensive settlement of the Cyprus issue, based on a bizonal, bicommunal federation.

By immediately starting the withdrawal of its forces from the northern part of the island and addressing the issue of settlements of Turkish citizens, Turkey would help ''facilitate a suitable climate for negotiations'', it is stated.

The EP calls on the Turkish government to contribute in concrete terms to the comprehensive settlement of the Cyprus issue, based on a bizonal, bicommunal federation, in line with the relevant UN Security Council resolutions and the principles on which the EU is founded.

It also urges Turkey to facilitate a suitable climate for the Cyprus negotiations by immediately starting to withdraw its forces from Cyprus, by addressing the issue of the settlement of Turkish citizens on the island and by enabling the return of the sealed-off section of Famagusta to its lawful inhabitants in compliance with resolution 550 (1984) of the UN Security Council.

The EP deplores the non-implementation of the Additional Protocol to the EC-Turkey Association Agreement for the ''fourth consecutive year''.

The report warns that failure to implement fully and without delay, in a non discriminatory way, the Additional Protocol to the EC-Turkey Association Agreement could seriously affect its accession negotiations.

The MEPs also said that progress on concrete reforms remained limited in 2009.

During the debate before the voting, Spanish Minister for European Affairs Lopez Garrido stressed that the implementation of the Additional Ankara Protocol constitutes a necessity for the continuation of the EU – Turkey accession negotiations.

“If there is no progress on this, no more chapters can be opened”, Garrido underlined.

Further to my previous post, does the EU show solidarity with Cyprus by taking a stand against the turks in a way that will actually hurt them, say by suspending the EU-turkey customs union? closing the airspace, ports, and airports of EU member states to turkish shipping and aircraft? imposing any kind of military, political, or economic sanctions?

[Maximus]

Further to my previous post, does the EU show solidarity with Cyprus by taking a stand against the turks in a way that will actually hurt them, say by suspending the EU-turkey customs union? closing the airspace, ports, and airports of EU member states to turkish shipping and aircraft? imposing any kind of military, political, or economic sanctions?

Not yet,

and you are right in what you say in both your posts.

The other party will be a lot more reasonable if you reason with him alongside a gun being pointed to his head!