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[boomerang]

Pres X shpuld resign and call elections the next 3 months...putting negotiations on hold for atleast 6 months till we see
1...what noble comes up with and how much interest it will generate...judging by the turkish panic I would say there will be a lot...
2...give the tcs time to think what they should offer in order to share the wealth...coz as it is they are not gonna get anything...

there will be no solution if the tcs are still insisting
1...guarantor rights
2...any hint of a confederation
3...federal government majority seats to the majority...
4...major adjustment of land...

so why negotiate?...lets wait for the tcs to come up with offers...

come on effendi what are you offering apart from what is mine is mine and what is yours is mine rhetoric...

[blaise pascal]

According to this:

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/disy/our-viewnot-even-glimmer-hope-if-christofias-stays/20110731

In our system the president is untouchable, as the concept of a ‘no-confidence vote’, which would topple a prime minister in a parliamentary democracy, does not exist.

...there is no avenue for a motion of no confidence to remove the president.

Agreed, but if the house refuses to pass legislation, such as the budget, what choice would Toff have other than to resign?

The house will need to be prepared to take responsibility for the unpaid salaries of public servants and the pensions of little old ladies (to say nothing of missed interest payments to government creditors) if the president digs his heels in.

No, it would be the President's responsibility.

It will be up to voters who are not getting paid or being denied essential services to decide who is responsible.

[CBBB]

It will be up to voters who are not getting paid or being denied essential services to decide who is responsible.

The voters not getting paid would be the civil servants who provide no essential services, or much else come to that. So it would also help the economy.

[Bananiot]

In this plantation no one has ever paid any price whatsoever for gross negligence or more serious matters. The coup that brought Turkey to Cyprus could never have taken place without the help of Greek Cypriots who assisted the Greek junta in its treacherous path to ruin. Do you know anyone who paid for his role in bringing this disaster to us? Christofias is doing just what all the other bananiots before him have done. Blame every body else but himself. This is our favourite sport in Cyprus and we excell in it.

Many, if not all, of his critics who call for his resignation and early elections, will never stand to be elected for the next 15 months because these months will be the most difficult for any president to cope. Secretly, they pray Christofias stays on and makes makes more mistakes and becomes even more vulnerable. Christofias is also a spent force and he has no clout now to deal with the Cyprob. He suits the suitors fine and even more those that do not want solution. In fact, he is doing a very good job and God willing he will stay for the rest of his time, until February 2013.

[Hermes]

In this plantation no one has ever paid any price whatsoever for gross negligence or more serious matters. The coup that brought Turkey to Cyprus could never have taken place without the help of Greek Cypriots who assisted the Greek junta in its treacherous path to ruin. Do you know anyone who paid for his role in bringing this disaster to us? Christofias is doing just what all the other bananiots before him have done. Blame every body else but himself. This is our favourite sport in Cyprus and we excell in it.

Just a couple of points. Firstly, I don't think anyone denies that the rag-tag bunch of fools known as Eoka B conspired with the Greek junta and the US to give Turkey the pretext it was looking for to partition the island. How do you then jump to the conclusion that the rest of the 99.9 per cent of GCs who had nothing to do with the coup against Makarios are somehow to blame for the Turkish invasion in which they were and still are victims? This is a bizarre case of self-flagellation - but one typical of your usual logic in which the victims of the invasion are confused with the perpetrators.

Secondly, President Christofias has been found responsible for gross negligence and incompetence by an independent investigation. He has largely lost the confidence of the electorate. If he had any honour he would resign. The fact he is clinging on is a personal failing. Some ministers and officials have done the decent thing and resigned. Are you suggesting that the majority of GCs are responsible for Christofias' failure to do the right thing?

Most GCs, with the exception of AKEL loyalists, are appalled by Christofias' actions and expect more from their government and officials. That is a sign of a growing political maturity and not as you suggest, proof that GCs are complicit in the failings the explosion has exposed. In this case, the people want officials to take responsibility for their actions. Not evade it, as you suggest.

[Bananiot]

Were you around in 1974 Hermes? The number of GC's brandishing guns and the number of GC's that came forward to congratulate the coupists and swear allegiance to the "new order" suggest your 99.9% makes mockery of the real situation on the ground. The coup was carried out by EOKA B' which enjoyed popular support in the grass roots but what worries me most is that those that want to narrow down the coupists to a merely insignificant percentage of the population, are probably krypto-supporters of the most reactionary forces in Cyprus.

The fascist bitch, let me spell it out for you Hermes, is in heat once again, and poor Cyprus has at its helm an incompetent President who has lost credibility and popular support and the black shirts that dominate the indignant are only there to remind us of our worse past. Like reliving a nightmare. Sane people are genuinely worried, not overglowing with a vindication aura.

[Hermes]

Were you around in 1974 Hermes? The number of GC's brandishing guns and the number of GC's that came forward to congratulate the coupists and swear allegiance to the "new order" suggest your 99.9% makes mockery of the real situation on the ground. The coup was carried out by EOKA B' which enjoyed popular support in the grass roots but what worries me most is that those that want to narrow down the coupists to a merely insignificant percentage of the population, are probably krypto-supporters of the most reactionary forces in Cyprus.

The fascist bitch, let me spell it out for you Hermes, is in heat once again, and poor Cyprus has at its helm an incompetent President who has lost credibility and popular support and the black shirts that dominate the indignant are only there to remind us of our worse past. Like reliving a nightmare. Sane people are genuinely worried, not overglowing with a vindication aura.

This is nonsense bordering on fantasy. EOKA B was not a "grassroots" organisation. It was made up of bully boys and thugs and had no popular support. It was an illegal group financed by the CIA whose aim was to depose Makarios. The majority of Greek Cypriots were against both the coup and EOKA-B and supported Makarios who had been democratically elected.

To suggest that a significant number of Greek Cypriots were supporters of Grivas and the tactics of EOKA B is just delusional and worse, has the ulterior motive of justifying Turkey's actions, which is largely your forte.

You go one step further which is bordering on the ridiculous: you claim the current protesters in Cyprus are heirs to the thugs of EOKA B and Sampson, which is so bizarre that only Christofias in his desperation to cling on to power has made such an equivalence.

Christofias is not the victim of a fascist conspiracy but of his own negligence and incompetence. Protesters are calling for elections and the restoration of competence and integrity to government. Not for union with Greece or the setting up of a fascist dictatorship. That bizarre scenario exists only in your head.

[Bananiot]

Were you around in 1974? If you were around you would remember the huge student mobilisations across Cyprus in favour of the "national government" of Greece and its actions in Cyprus. If, as you say they were just a handfull, they would have not suceeded. Can you provide some hard evidence that the USA funded EOKA B'?

[Hermes]

Were you around in 1974? If you were around you would remember the huge student mobilisations across Cyprus in favour of the "national government" of Greece and its actions in Cyprus. If, as you say they were just a handfull, they would have not suceeded. Can you provide some hard evidence that the USA funded EOKA B'?

I do not recall mass Greek Cypriot support for the Greek Junta. I recall support for Makarios and his policy of Cypriot independence despite the funding of EOKA B by the junta in Athens who were actively opposed to independence. I recall GCs being initially sceptical as a result of EOKA B's open involvement with the Greek junta. I recall that by the 70s there was a distinct cooling of enosist sentiment in Cyprus. The image of EOKA-B fell further after attacks on socialists and other supporters of independence and I recall public outrage following the botched assassination attempt on Makarios and the murder of ex-government minister Georkadjis.

Eoka B were stooges of the junta and the CIA not a "grassroots" Greek Cypriot movement as you suggest. Their objective was not just the overthrow of Makarios but the eventual partition of the island in a double enosis. If you think GCs supported the goals of Eoka B then you are just being perverse.

It is well-known that EOKA B's activities were funded from Athens by the CIA-backed Colonels. Allegations of direct CIA funding of EOKA B is made in the book "The Cyprus Conspiracy: America, Espionage and the Turkish Invasion" by O'Malley and Craig.

[ZoC]

http://www.trust.org/alertnet/news/cypr ... over-blast

"LAME DUCK"

"He was a lame duck president. Now he is even more of a lame duck president," said political analyst Hubert Faustmann.

cyprus is not gonna take on a turkish navy threatening attack with lame ducks.... i'm just an outsider, but my advice to cyps is, get the guy out asap!!! get someone in who can speak good english (and preferably hebrew).