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by **bill cobbett** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 4:50 pm

Well, the Republic is imho taking the right course of action with these threats from Turkey with this statement from Stephanos Stephanou...

..."Cyprus deems its sovereign right to drill for oil and gas in its offshore territory as non- negotiable and unrelated to the reunification talks, government spokesman Stefanos Stefanou said..."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-2 ... -says.html

Why go in to unknown and very dangerous territory boys and girls with the support the Republic has had from places such as the UN and the EP (and elsewhere) for its position... really isn't it on to even more of a winner if it ignores the Turkish threats and carries on with and intensifies prospecting?????? ... let Mad Dog Erdogan make the first blunder, and if the Republic twists his tail a little bit more, he will.

by **Get Real!** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 5:30 pm

bill cobbett wrote:Well, the Republic is imho taking the right course of action with these threats from Turkey with this statement from Stephanos Stephanou...

..."Cyprus deems its sovereign right to drill for oil and gas in its offshore territory as non- negotiable and unrelated to the reunification talks, government spokesman Stefanos Stefanou said..."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-2 ... -says.html

Why go in to unknown and very dangerous territory boys and girls with the support the Republic has had from places such as the UN and the EP (and elsewhere) for its position... really isn't it on to even more of a winner if it ignores the Turkish threats and carries on with and intensifies prospecting?????? ... let Mad Dog Erdogan make the first blunder, and if the Republic twists his tail a little bit more, he will.

Because if Turkey potentially DOES manage to get a derrick drilling just a few Km away from that of Cyprus and starts to simultaneously steal Cypriot resources, how are you going to handle that given that you’ve allowed them to roam and do as they please all along with no complaints?

You see young Bill, it’s not just about pumping out some oil but SECURING your oil rich region as you are entitled to. One needs a strong threat to keep one at bay from stealing your resources so where’s yours?

by **bill cobbett** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:10 pm

Get Real! wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:Well, the Republic is imho taking the right course of action with these threats from Turkey with this statement from Stephanos Stephanou...

..."Cyprus deems its sovereign right to drill for oil and gas in its offshore territory as non- negotiable and unrelated to the reunification talks, government spokesman Stefanos Stefanou said..."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-2 ... -says.html

Why go in to unknown and very dangerous territory boys and girls with the support the Republic has had from places such as the UN and the EP (and elsewhere) for its position... really isn't it on to even more of a winner if it ignores the Turkish threats and carries on with and intensifies prospecting?????? ... let Mad Dog Erdogan make the first blunder, and if the Republic twists his tail a little bit more, he will.

Because if Turkey potentially DOES manage to get a derrick drilling just a few Km away from that of Cyprus and starts to simultaneously steal Cypriot resources, how are you going to handle that given that you’ve allowed them to roam and do as they please all along with no complaints?

You see young Bill, it’s not just about pumping out some oil but SECURING your oil rich region as you are entitled to. One needs a strong threat to keep one at bay from stealing your resources so where’s yours?

Where is this "derrick" coming from? Where's the Turkish expertise for prospecting and extracting oil/gas in a thousand feet of water? Where's the pipeline to steal it away?

Haven't we just about seen the limit of Turkish experience and resources in the field in the rusty shape of the clapped out Former Dredger with a Fish Finder that is the Peri Reis.

Now if Turkey wanted to steal any poss oil/gas, they would need help from international companies of the sort who would have their bums dragged before the Courts of the Republic if they got involved.

So my dear GR... you really are sounding like Mad Dog Erdogan. Now chill out as the youngsters say nowadays and go and get yourself laid for goodness sake...

by **ZoC** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:30 pm

i'm with gr! on this, billy... appeasement creates monsters. remember this...

this bastard needs to be taken out sooner or later.

by **Nikitas** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:15 pm

If push comes to shove, the RoC has a huge weapon in its hands and the Turks know it.

This is going to shock some people, but we are talking extreme measure now and in case sizeable quantities of oil and or gas are found. SO here goes:

RoC is the only entity in the world that can legally create an independent TC state by simply announcing the ceding of territory to the new entity and formally recognising it. Such a move obviously is a very negative one considering the loss of land entailed. But, on the other hand, it automatically cuts off any actual or potential claims the TCs, which really means Turkey in this case, can exercise on the EEZ of the south. At the same time the RoC multiplies its territory, albeit in the sea, and its potential wealth. Turkey gets to sit on a giant cucumber.

The Turks know this, and they desperately try to avoid such a move. That is why there has been a total black out on the use of the phrase "two states". For the same reason they have not stopped the talks, which they would have done in the past. They ordered Eorglu to stay in there and keep talking. And they come up with plans B. If you noticed they went from threats and frigates and such to proposals of negotiations for the share of the wealth. Expect even more shows of affection in the next few days.

THe proposal of sharing, shows that the prospects of finding gas are very real. The location, field No12 touching ISrael's EEZ, is awkward for them and they are seeking a convenient means to shove their sticky fingers in the pie, and those means are the ever compliant TCs who have forgotten the magic phrase "fuck off".

Let's see if now they will wake from their 50 year slumber. One can only hope.

by **bill cobbett** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:51 pm

ZoC wrote:i'm with gr! on this, billy... appeasement creates monsters. remember this...

this bastard needs to be taken out sooner or later.

Well perhaps he will get a good slapping, but it won't come from little old CY. Give him enough rope and let the big boys sort him out when he oversteps the line, when he slips the leash.

Now throw a bucket of cold water over yourself and GR to cool down and you can both go and give Halil a big hug.

by **ZoC** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:58 pm

halil is a collaborator. and, at the appropriate time, will have to stand trial for treason.

by **Get Real!** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:03 am

bill cobbett wrote:Where is this "derrick" coming from? Where's the Turkish expertise for prospecting and extracting oil/gas in a thousand feet of water? Where's the pipeline to steal it away?

If Cyprus can hire a derrick why can't Turkey hire one from a shameless non-EU company?

Am I to believe that the EU have a monopoly on oil/gas drilling?

ie: What if a US competitor of Noble takes up the challenge in 6-12 months time?

Do you understand how this can get complicated and we’ll be caught unprepared because we failed to secure our rightful waters?

by **bill cobbett** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:37 am

Get Real! wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:Where is this "derrick" coming from? Where's the Turkish expertise for prospecting and extracting oil/gas in a thousand feet of water? Where's the pipeline to steal it away?

If Cyprus can hire a derrick why can't Turkey hire one from a shameless non-EU company?

Am I to believe that the EU have a monopoly on oil/gas drilling?

ie: What if a US competitor of Noble takes up the challenge in 6-12 months time?

Do you understand how this can get complicated and we’ll be caught unprepared because we failed to secure our rightful waters?

Well ... not comfortable with this word "derrick" which is more suitable to a crane on a ship and by using it we're in danger of under-estimating the difficulty of the work that Noble's engineers are carrying out, after all we ain't drilling a borehole to water a back-yard in Nicosia... To emphasise the diff of this work, the "derrick" is a pretty sophisticated drilling platform which is trying to reach prospective features, impervious rock structures that may be forming caps that may have trapped the oil/gas, which may reveal themselves as tiny fluctuations in the data. Features that will have been identified by expert interpretation at Noble.

Any competitor (and there aren't that many who can drill in 1000m of water and it doesn't matter whether they are US or EU or from anywhere else as long as they ain't Turkish) will need access to the seismology and Noble paid the Norwegian company that did that work in Block 12 some millions of dollars and obviously that would be for exclusive access.

... and ... and ...anyway >>>> how does CY secure its waters?