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How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Viewpoint » Sun Sep 04, 2005 7:13 pm

Piratis wrote:
What do you have now?? reunification?? leverage to make TCs do what you want?? a chance of new negotiations?? you voted for recognized partition in the long run, thank you and thank god the GCs voted NO....


A recognized partition for you is now nothing more than a hope like it has been for the last 30 years. If we had voted "yes" we would give to you the partition that you wanted, but we will not make you this favor.

Turkey wanted us to say "yes" so they would achieve their partition and they wouldn't have any problems in the EU. Now they are crying, and they will be crying even more. Why didn't they withdraw their EU application yet? What are they? Beggars? :lol:


Turkey is big and strong enough to stand her ground and if she wants to end EU application process then so be it, where will that leave you and the GCs, so I would beg your administration to assist Turkeys progress otherwise Papadop will have no leverage at all.
Piratis we have partition, if you havent noticed the island has been divided for 31 years, we live in the north and you live in the south, all the rest is just a shot a hope of the 2 communities uniting if it happens all weel end good if not well life goes on.....we continue on our seperate ways pretty much as we are doing now... :wink:
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Postby Harry » Sun Sep 04, 2005 9:35 pm

Hey Viewpoint, the way you been living in Northern Cyprus for all these years, would you not mind if your kids live like that for the rest of their lives. If you don't mind, then that means your still going on the cut your nose off to spite your face attitude still. We're almost at a breakthrough with the Cyprus peace process and you still claim partition. Very soon they will sit and negotiate what is fare for both sides, don't knock the process.
I've noticed everyone lately giving in a little to help the cause and your still shooting it down.
Quick personal question for you Viewpoint, everytime you have a personal problem with someone do you hold an attitude and a grudge as long as you could or do you try to keep talking about the focal points till you get somewhere. That's what business people do, no matter how much they don't like the other side, it might not be a smooth road till they make a sell but as long as they get the sell that what matters most. Because if they dont get the sell someone will. Wouldn't you rather have it than the next person. What I'm trying to say it never pays to shut that person out because you lose out. So you still crying partition only leaves you in the situation that your in and not wanting to get out and get a piece of beautiful life the way everyone else is enjoying. Maybe you love being in a miserable environment, I don't know only you do.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Sep 04, 2005 10:37 pm

Harry wrote:Hey Viewpoint, the way you been living in Northern Cyprus for all these years, would you not mind if your kids live like that for the rest of their lives. If you don't mind, then that means your still going on the cut your nose off to spite your face attitude still. We're almost at a breakthrough with the Cyprus peace process and you still claim partition. Very soon they will sit and negotiate what is fare for both sides, don't knock the process.
I've noticed everyone lately giving in a little to help the cause and your still shooting it down.
Quick personal question for you Viewpoint, everytime you have a personal problem with someone do you hold an attitude and a grudge as long as you could or do you try to keep talking about the focal points till you get somewhere. That's what business people do, no matter how much they don't like the other side, it might not be a smooth road till they make a sell but as long as they get the sell that what matters most. Because if they dont get the sell someone will. Wouldn't you rather have it than the next person. What I'm trying to say it never pays to shut that person out because you lose out. So you still crying partition only leaves
you in the situation that your in and not wanting to get out and get a piece of beautiful life the way everyone else is enjoying. Maybe you love being in a miserable environment, I don't know only you do.


Harry have you been to the TRNC? did you see any TCs starving?? the in place for a holiday this year is Italy and and many TCs have been. We are not exactly on the poverty line although this must disappoint many GCs. We go out eat at restaurants, have 2 cars per house, higher educate our children privately both here and abroad, take frequent trips abroad. Who says we are living in a miserable environment, the fact that maybe our streets are not like yours or we dont have hanging baskets in the city centers or large shopping complexes brand names etc does not mean we are living in misery, you only want to believe this for you own benefit. The fact that we are living in peace with no threat of being dominated by GCs is equivilent to masses of economic wealth and the higher utopian "RoC" you feel you live in south of the island. Good luck to you, I dont have a problem with it, you seem to though.
My children are havng a great life here, they are popular and well educated and have chosen to go to University here in the north and in Turkey, with masters in the UK, so they are well adjusted and level headed TCs who originate from the TRNC. Im not saying this to aggrivate anyone its to make a point that we are getting on with our lives and bringing up our children well with all the opportunities that children enjoy all over the world.
So the Cyprus issue not being solved does not really effect normal every day life, we work, eat drink and enjoy our lives in the north. Although I dont doubt many TCs desire a solution,but if we are unable to agree one it is not the end of the world and we have to get on with our lives the same way we have been doing for the 31 years.
Your comment about being at a breakthough with regards to the Cyprus issue, I take it you are joking or else you must be living on Mars. Our 2 leaders cant even meet socially how do you expect them to resolve anything if the dont talk to each other??
The Cyprus issue is not like selling or buying oranges, its more complicated and has many factors which effects the overall decision as we all witnessed during the referendum. We have adopted your philosphy with sicking with the issue but there comes a time when banging your head against a brick wall will give you brain damage so its in your best interests to stop. For me personally the failure of the Annan plan was that indication to stop and concede that Cypriots cannot agree a solution that would suit both sides enough to be committed to making it work. We could be going like this for next 100 years and we would still be arguing.
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Postby ELLAS H TEFRA! » Mon Sep 05, 2005 2:23 am

Can we have the European passport back then?? :?
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:28 am

ELLAS H TEFRA! wrote:Can we have the European passport back then?? :?


Sure, no problem :wink:

Just as soon as the GC administration declares to the world they do not represent the Turkish Cypriots and that we should all return them immediately.
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Postby Kifeas » Mon Sep 05, 2005 9:31 am

viewpoint wrote:Our 2 leaders cant even meet socially how do you expect them to resolve anything if the dont talk to each other??


Viewpoint, lately we do not hear much of those almost daily accusations and insults that Mr. Talat once used to express against Papadopoullos. Is it because he is now more careful or is it just me who didn't pay close attention to what comes out from Talat's office?
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Sep 05, 2005 9:41 am

Kifeas wrote:
viewpoint wrote:Our 2 leaders cant even meet socially how do you expect them to resolve anything if the dont talk to each other??


Viewpoint, lately we do not hear much of those almost daily accusations and insults that Mr. Talat once used to express against Papadopoullos. Is it because he is now more careful or is it just me who didn't pay close attention to what comes out from Talat's office?


Dont believe everything you read, somethimes things are taken out of context and twisted to suit local consumption, dont forget both sides are still playing the points game to stay in power. Although I could be wrong but Papadop appears to have persuaded his public that he is a great leader and doing everything possible to resolve the Cyprus issue that he is safe for another term of office. God help those that believe a solution will drop from the skies over the next 8 years :lol:
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Postby Kifeas » Mon Sep 05, 2005 9:43 am

Viewpoint wrote:
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viewpoint wrote:Our 2 leaders cant even meet socially how do you expect them to resolve anything if the dont talk to each other??


Viewpoint, lately we do not hear much of those almost daily accusations and insults that Mr. Talat once used to express against Papadopoullos. Is it because he is now more careful or is it just me who didn't pay close attention to what comes out from Talat's office?


Dont believe everything you read, somethimes things are taken out of context and twisted to suit local consumption, dont forget both sides are still playing the points game to stay in power. Although I could be wrong but Papadop appears to have persuaded his public that he is a great leader and doing everything possible to resolve the Cyprus issue that he is safe for another term of office. God help those that believe a solution will drop from the skies over the next 8 years :lol:


Therefore I am wrong in my assumption that Talat is more carefull latelly. Am I?
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Sep 05, 2005 9:58 am

Maybe its because there are other things going on that theres no time to play with words.
Dont you feel the the GC media are doing everything in their power to brand Talat another Denktas, they are infecting the open minded Gcs who feel Talat is the man who aproaches the the Cyprus issue with a positive attitude and couıld contribute to finding a plan that would be acceptable to both sides?
His call for a meeting with Papadop was again in the papers today but unfortunately the GCs dont want to meet with him. Do you think this is right??
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Postby Kifeas » Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:03 am

Viewpoint wrote:Maybe its because there are other things going on that theres no time to play with words.
Dont you feel the the GC media are doing everything in their power to brand Talat another Denktas, they are infecting the open minded Gcs who feel Talat is the man who aproaches the the Cyprus issue with a positive attitude and couıld contribute to finding a plan that would be acceptable to both sides?
His call for a meeting with Papadop was again in the papers today but unfortunately the GCs dont want to meet with him. Do you think this is right??


I am not talking about the media! I am talking about Talat himself!
I almost never heard Papadopoullos say anything against Talat on a personal level!
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