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[Piratis]

After that and to his credit, Vassiliou chose to cooperate with Clerides.

You might give him credit for this action. Unfortunately for Vassiliou he lost most credits than he gained with this move. I had supported him before, but I wouldn't do it again. This is the case with the majority of people that voted for him when he got elected.

Personally I think that having someone with no personality like Omirou for President would be another farse. But at leasr he doesn't refer to the citizens of this country as "traitors" just because they disagree with him, like Papadopoulos does.

And having an old man that lost his mind and shits his pants would be better?

what has Papadopoulos ever offered to this country and its people?

What he offered is to do what the people want him to do, and not promise to the people one thing to steal their votes and behind closed doors make contradicting agreements.
The period when Cleredes ruled, especially the second decade, was a period of chaos. He had no clue what was going on and the country was ruled by Kouros and some DISI ministers.

Papadopoulos might not be ideal but he is better from Cleredes (according to most people) and he is better than anybody else from DISI as well.

[Othellos]

You might give him credit for this action. Unfortunately for Vassiliou he lost most credits than he gained with this move. I had supported him before, but I wouldn't do it again. This is the case with the majority of people that voted for him when he got elected.

This means that you supported Vassiliou not because of his capabilities but because he was running against Clerides and because AKEL told you to do so. Now what does this tell one about you? No offense, Piratis, but AKEL's voters have never been known for their ability to think independently, and this is the mair reason why today we have Papadopoulos for President, despite his right-wing background, despite his well known views on Cyprus (no solution is better than a solution) and even despite the recently revealed fact that in the 1960's he was receivign money from the CIA to fight communism in Cyprus. So much for "honest" alliances if u ask me.

And having an old man that lost his mind and shits his pants would be better?

How did Clerides lost his mind and how do u know about his pants? Were you doing his laundry in the 10 years he was President? If u want to be taken seriously on this one Piratis, then I suggest you try providing arguments about why Clerides was a bad President or about why Papadopoulos is a good one. The kafeneion-style gossip you provide above is just not enough.

Despite his age, Clerides was able to accomplish EU membership for Cyprus. He was also able to get the UN and the rest of the international community involved in a serious effort to resolve the Cyprus problem. Papadopoulos (who was never able to accomplish anything for anyone else other than himself), campaigned extensively for the rejection of the UN plan which he didn't even bother to negotiate properly. And all this while he was the one who asked the UNSG to re-initiate the solution efforts and while he didn't have an alternative to offer.

The result of Papadopoulos' "strategy" was to bring all solution efforts to an end and this is why nothing is happening as we speak. The international community is just not willing to spend more time on Cyprus. Who is benefitting out of the current situation? Turkey, of course, who thanx to Tassos P they got all the exuses they wanted for not solving the problem. And Tassos P. also benefits because he gets to stay President for the next 3 years (3 + 5 if u ask me). Other than that we can all wait for year 2025 when we will have a better solution according to Mr. Lillikas

What he offered is to do what the people want him to do, and not promise to the people one thing to steal their votes and behind closed doors make contradicting agreements.

What contradicting agreements are you talkng about Piratis? And how were the votes of the people "stolen" from them? What did Clerides promise to the people and what do you expect from Papadopoulos to deliver? think Piratis, think!

The period when Cleredes ruled, especially the second decade, was a period of chaos. He had no clue what was going on and the country was ruled by Kouros and some DISI ministers.

Here is something that I can agree with, at least in part.
It is not a secret that Clerides' priority has always been the Cyprus problem and our EU bid. It is also true that Kouros and a few others did take advantage of their position in order to benefit themselves or their immediate environment.

So how did Papadopoulos and Christofias change this Chaos? We just lost 121 of our own people on a planne crush and the only concern of this government is how to hide their inefficiencies (instead of fixing them). Thrassou's concerns about our tourism only a day after the Helios plane crash were out of place and ridiculous. Trying to discredit Hadjigeorgiou who came out in the open with some nasty facts was shameful and dishonest. Blaming the previous government for all this is simply ridiculous. And Papadopoulos who is supposed to make things better, he did not even bother to pay a visit in Grammatiko while in Athens. So much for having a President who cares or the people of this country!

Papadopoulos might not be ideal but he is better from Cleredes (according to most people) and he is better than anybody else from DISI as well.

Piratis, stop following blindly and start thinking. Learn to judge our leaders from their work and skills, not their color.

O.

[Piratis]

This means that you supported Vassiliou not because of his capabilities but because he was running against Clerides and because AKEL told you to do so.

First of all I am not blindly following any party. As a matter of fact I have voted for AKEL only once and I am planning to vote for the Green Party in next elections. However the parties that supported Papadopoulos did make a difference.
I voted Papadopoulos for 3 reasons:
1) He was supported by the center left (AKEL, EDEK, Green Party etc) and this meant that his policies would be more people friendly than the ones of DISI. If DISI was ruling now they would have probably privatized Cyta, Cyprus Airways etc, and instead of one low quality Helios airline we would have several and maybe even more airplanes would fall because some capitalists want to maximize their profits. Of course now with the EU capitalism is one way road. But with a President supported by the center left we can at least resist to some degree.

2) Papadopoulos said that he would not accept the Annan plan as it is without major changes. Cleredes was trying to say something similar, but of course not many believed him anymore. We all knew that he would just accept whatever the Americans tell him to accept, and we were right.

3) I will never vote for anybody from DISI. I want a President that will support our interests, not somebody the will lie to steal our vote and then serve the American interests.

How did Clerides lost his mind and how do u know about his pants?

About his pants I don't know but it is very possible judging from his age. About his mind this is obvious. Just listen to one of his recent interviews and compare it with one from 15 years ago. If you can not see the huge decline then I am afraid you are blind.

why Clerides was a bad President or about why Papadopoulos is a good one.

Cleredes was a bad president because:
1) His policies in the Cyprus problem were leading to something totally different from what he was promising to the people. Do you remember how he got elected the first time by condemning Vassiliou policies on the Cyprus problem?

2) He was following policies that had as an aim to serve mainly the capitalists.

3) As you agreed already, he had no clue what was going on inside the country. He was too old for this kind of job. I wouldn't vote for Papadopoulos either if he was over 80.

Papadopoulos is better because:

1) His policies in the Cyprus problem reflects his promises.

2) Because he is controlled by AKEL his policies are almost as people friendly as the EU would allow. (but they could be better)

3) He has the control and he knows whats going on inside the country.

The result of Papadopoulos' "strategy" was to bring all solution efforts to an end and this is why nothing is happening as we speak.

The aim of Cleredes was also to bring all solution efforts to an end by the acceptance of the Annan plan. When this became obvious we changed president to start a new effort because Cleredes had deceived us and his efforts were against the interests of the majority of Greek Cypriots.

Of course this will take time. Don't forget that the Annan plan was the result of the "good boy" policies of 15 years. Do you expect Papadopoulos to bring something different which will be against the interests of Turkey in just 2 years?

What contradicting agreements are you talkng about Piratis? And how were the votes of the people "stolen" from them? What did Clerides promise to the people and what do you expect from Papadopoulos to deliver?

As I said already Cleredes was elected the first time by promising that he would reverse the policies of Vassiliou. He was promising things like "all refugees to their homes" etc. He was not elected to bring to us something like the Annan plan, thats for sure.

What I expect from Papadopoulos is that he will not bent to the pressure by the Americans, that he will not follow the "good boy" policies of Cleredes/Vassiliou and that he will use our EU membership in a way that we can achieve a good solution for Cyprus even if this will take several more years.

We just lost 121 of our own people on a plane crush

I don't think using those people is a good think. We will see what the investigation will bring and then we can judge them.

Piratis, stop following blindly and start thinking. Learn to judge our leaders from their work and skills, not their color.

I never followed blindly anybody. Why do you say this???? Do you think that what I support would be more closely executed by Cleredes rather than Papadopoulos?

[Bananiot]

Piratis now is a self proclaimed anti capitalist and AKEL, he states, controls Papadopoulos and is likely to block such efforts as the privatisation of Cyprus Airways and other government run or semi government run organisations. He claims that private companies are likely to lose planes whereas government run companies have a better safety record. This is nonsense and it is not substantiated by facts. Piratis should check things before making wild statements.

His loony left jargon is also ridiculous when he claims that AKEL is pro people and anti capitalist. This party is the biggest business corporation on the plantation and many of its top brass are capitalists of the type the late Edward Heath called "the ugly face of capitalism".

In 1993 DIKO teamed up with DISI to bring Vasiliou down and for 5 years these patriots of DIKO had no problem colaborating with DISI, but when Vasiliou decides to back Klerides, he is immediately labeled a turncoat. Vasiliou and Klerides (with the help of Simitis) did all the work to bring Cyprus into the arms of the European Union and at least people like Piratis should give them credit for this. I doubt it if any other politicians in Cyprus could have achieved this while the Cyprob remained unsolved. Papadopoulos likes to bask in the glory of Europe but this feat, history will say, goes to the three men I mentioned earlier.

Piratis talks mean about real or imaginary health problems of the person that took Cyprus to Europe. His protégé (Papadopoulos) did the same thing regarding the late Kyprianou. He even counted the number of sedatives he took every day and the antidepressants. He once wrote that the foreigners listen to Kyprianou speak and burst into laughter. Inhumane attitude and sick arrogance seem to be the trade mark of Papadopoulos and his blindfolded supporters.

Thanks to Papadopoulos and his supporters we are left with two fully armed divisions of the Turkish army permanently stationed in Cyprus, zero return of land and partition staring us in the eyes. Papadopoulos likes this, he admitted on many occasions that he prefers partition than the sharing of power with the TC's, but people whistle away regardless, because our capitalist way of life is paying dividends and we do not want to chance our prosperity for the sake of a solution which may mean reshuffling the cards and possible re allocation of wealth. Let the 500 or so families that control the economy, legally and otherwise, roll on. Meanwhile, down with capitalism ... suckers!

[Bananiot]

Here is the proof, Piratis.



Click on the picture for a magnified one.

[Piratis]

The proof is that Cyprus Airways was running without any such accident for decades but the private airline with just 3 airplanes and just a couple of years of operation it killed 121 people.

Your image doesn't say anything. Were is Helios? And why Cyprus Airways is not listed as one of the safest companies? Obviously your list is intentionally incomplete.

Of course the capitalists want privatizations. If some Bananiots were buying the Cyprus Airways they would cut the costs in the way that Helios did and they would make huge profits for them and they wouldn't care if the lives of people are in risk.

His loony left jargon is also ridiculous when he claims that AKEL is pro people and anti capitalist. This party is the biggest business corporation on the plantation and many of its top brass are capitalists of the type the late Edward Heath called "the ugly face of capitalism".

Bananiot, I am not an AKEL supported. I am not a blind supporter of anybody like you are. What is ridiculous is to claim that DISI is more "pro people" or less capitalistic than AKEL is.

In 1993 DIKO teamed up with DISI to bring Vasiliou down

So in 1993 DIKO was good for you and now is not? Why did Cleredes collaborate with DIKO to bring down Vassiliou since Vassiliou is so good?
Is it maybe because Cleredes simply wanted to finally get on the Presidential chair and everything else didn't matter?

Papadopoulos likes to bask in the glory of Europe but this feat, history will say, goes to the three men I mentioned earlier.

Vassiliou did a good job regarding EU. He screwed up regarding the Cyprus problem. Greece of course helped buy saying that there will be no expansion without Cyprus. Cleredes was just sitting on his chair watching.
Of course we recognize what Vassiliou did for EU. This doesn't mean he is the right person to handle the Cyprus problem though.

Piratis talks mean about real or imaginary health problems of the person that took Cyprus to Europe. His protégé (Papadopoulos) did the same thing regarding the late Kyprianou. He even counted the number of sedatives he took every day and the antidepressants. He once wrote that the foreigners listen to Kyprianou speak and burst into laughter. Inhumane attitude and sick arrogance seem to be the trade mark of Papadopoulos and his blindfolded supporters.

Bananiot, if Kyprianou/Cleredes could not realize themselves that they are not able to run a country anymore then the truth had to be said. Too bad if their feelings were heard.

Meanwhile, down with capitalism ... suckers!

Sorry Bananiot, but we will not sacrifice human rights and democracy so you and the capitalists of DISI can make millions. What you care about is money. You don't care about democracy, you don't care about human rights.
The cost of the Annan plan would have to be paid by the low and middle class Greek Cypriots. The millioners that control DISI would make their fortune even bigger by investing in Famagusta and the north.
You wanted to sell off our country for the money ... traitors!

[Bananiot]

I would be damned if you understood half of what I wrote Piratis. For this reason you are excused. Do yourself a favour, take the blindfolds off and view the real world for a change.

P.S. When Kyprianou consented to take Papadopoulos into his wings (after he was assured that his sons and close associates would be amply rewarded) suddenly, he stopped taking pills and the foreigners did not need to be reminded of the mental capacities of Kyprianou. This is Papadopoulos for you. In order to climb to the top and stay there, he changes his tune and pays lip service to Kyprianou but mostly, convinces suckers like you to vote for Turkey to stay for ever in Cyprus because, among other lies, the rebuilding of the new Cyprus will cost us money! On top, he makes you think that this is the patriotic thing to do ...

[Piratis]

I would be damned if you understood half of what I wrote Piratis

You are damned anyways.

Do yourself a favour, take the blindfolds off and view the real world for a change.

You are the one who is blind. You blindly support DISI and Cleredes. have you ever voted anything else than DISI in parliamentary elections?
I am not a blind supported of anybody. I vote for the one who I believe is best at the particular time.

This is Papadopoulos for you.

Sure. Have I ever said that Papadopoulos is perfect? As a matter of fact I have never voted for his party and I do not intent to do it in the next elections either. However you have conveniently avoided answering the following:

So in 1993 DIKO was good for you and now is not? Why did Cleredes collaborate with DIKO to bring down Vassiliou since Vassiliou is so good?
Is it maybe because Cleredes simply wanted to finally get on the Presidential chair and everything else didn't matter?

In order to climb to the top and stay there, he changes his tune and pays lip service to Kyprianou but mostly, convinces suckers like you to vote for Turkey to stay for ever in Cyprus because, among other lies, the rebuilding of the new Cyprus will cost us money! On top, he makes you think that this is the patriotic thing to do ...

We voted no for partition. Tell me Bananiot. Do you know any other country that a citizen would be prohibited to live in any area of his country with full political rights and that there is a discrimination based on race?
They wanted to give me the same kind of rights in a part of my own country that I would have in Latvia!!! And then you call this "unification" !! You are the suckers!

[Viewpoint]

Piratis

We voted no for partition. Tell me Bananiot. Do you know any other country that a citizen would be prohibited to live in any area of his country with full political rights and that there is a discrimination based on race?
They wanted to give me the same kind of rights in a part of my own country that I would have in Latvia!!! And then you call this "unification" !! You are the suckers!

I think you have been suckered here Piratis

What do you have now?? reunification?? leverage to make TCs do what you want?? a chance of new negotiations?? you voted for recognized partition in the long run, thank you and thank god the GCs voted NO....

[Piratis]

What do you have now?? reunification?? leverage to make TCs do what you want?? a chance of new negotiations?? you voted for recognized partition in the long run, thank you and thank god the GCs voted NO....

A recognized partition for you is now nothing more than a hope like it has been for the last 30 years. If we had voted "yes" we would give to you the partition that you wanted, but we will not make you this favor.

Turkey wanted us to say "yes" so they would achieve their partition and they wouldn't have any problems in the EU. Now they are crying, and they will be crying even more. Why didn't they withdraw their EU application yet? What are they? Beggars?