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[DTA]

To zoc I always try to give a balanced opinion based on facts as I see them with no little research (on both sides of the argument)

With Kickapoo what I meant was that his views are so rmoves from those of the tcs that they are not even close to being gc views - and I meant no offense to Greeks by that I just wanted to express how far removed his views are fro
Tcs. But I should not have brought him in to this discussion as he has said nothing wrong here and I have already said sorry to him on this very thread for that.

To captain j sparrow

What like shooting an unarmed man in the back of the head when he was on the floor - go and read the un report then go fuck yourself

Also reports of them firing before they entered the ship (although not sure if its in the un report or not)

To Sotos tc were ethnically cleansed first by gcs and Greeks - but I have always supported a bbf as a fair solotion so how am I fascist

[DTA]

Turkey has done plenty wrong both in Cyprus and else where in the world, but there is not a people or nation who can claim that they haven't. Turkey is no angel but is far from the worst offender.

Speaking specifically about Cyprus neither community can claim that their hands are clean. So to blame everything on turkey is at best revisionism and at worst propaganda- and thats not even getting to Greeces role in this.

Tell me one thing I said that is wrong?

ZoC and Sotos have you spot on. You are an apologist for Turkish military aggression in Cyprus. Turkey occupies Cyprus. Not Greece. You suggest that Greece and by implication Greek Cypriots are responsible for the island's division. As if Turkey had no choice but to invade and partition the island in 1974. Presumably to "guarantee" the island's sovereignty from the Greek Junta.

This doesn't excuse the stupidity of Greek fascism in the 1960s or of the fools in EOKA B - who were sworn enemies of Cypriot independence. Just as Turkey, the US and the UK were.

But this doesn't make Greek Cypriots responsible for the occupation. This makes them victims. When it comes down to it, it was Turkey which invaded Cyprus and it is Turkey which occupies the island today. It is Turkey which is still the aggressor in Cyprus. Greece has had a democratic government for 37 years. So in what way is Greece currently responsible for the partition of the island?

Why are you so keen to deflect attention away from Turkey's current occupation of the island? And its continuing eradication of the Greek Cypriot presence in the north? Where is your indignation at Turkey's policies in the north? Instead you only ever post here to defend Turkey and to blame everyone else for the division of the island except Turkey. That is your contribution to this forum. An apologist for the partition of the island and a simple-minded appeaser of Turkish fascism.

bullshit...
I have never said that turkey is an angel when it comes to Cyprus - I have always maintained that Turkey, Greece the gc and the tcs have all had a hand in where we find ourselves.

As for supporting partition - my stance has always been a BBf ... Always.
So again bullshit. When people say things that are lies about the trnc I try to correct them not because I think the trnc is best place in the world, but because I think it has enough problems - as in reall problems without making up shit.

For example if you said that:

The public sector is too big and corrupt, I would say yep you are right.
If you said that the trnc is too reliant on turkey - again I would say you are right.
If you said it is not organised and not taking advantages of the resources available again I would agree - but when people just make up shit why would I agree to that.

You want to end partition... Great agree a deal with the tcs where we both make sacrifices of equal measure based on the realities of today... And guess what....... No more partition.

So you want to

[Capt J Sparrow]

To zoc I always try to give a balanced opinion based on facts as I see them with no little research (on both sides of the argument)

With Kickapoo what I meant was that his views are so rmoves from those of the tcs that they are not even close to being gc views - and I meant no offense to Greeks by that I just wanted to express how far removed his views are fro
Tcs. But I should not have brought him in to this discussion as he has said nothing wrong here and I have already said sorry to him on this very thread for that.

To captain j sparrow

What like shooting an unarmed man in the back of the head when he was on the floor - go and read the un report then go fuck yourself

Also reports of them firing before they entered the ship (although not sure if its in the un report or not)

To Sotos tc were ethnically cleansed first by gcs and Greeks - but I have always supported a bbf as a fair solotion so how am I fascist

To DTA,

I don't have the time to read the UN report. You're the one making the claims so I think it is YOUR duty to find the UN report, cut and paste the relevant information, post it here along with the supporting UN link.

It's not that I don't trust you, it is just that this is the way things should be done around here.

Also, I can't comment about the firing before they boarded. All I know is that this is not the norm, and the Israelis have boarded dozens of boats in the past without incident, so why would they be different here. In this instance, I do not trust any of Turkey's claims because they do not compute or make any sense to anyone with half a brain.

And thank you for telling me to go fuck myself.

This just goes to show that Sotos, ZOC, Hermes, Repulsewarrior, Kikapu, supporttheunderdog et al have you all sussed out for the fascist Turkish son of a biscuiteater that you are!

Savvy?

[Hermes]

bullshit...
I have never said that turkey is an angel when it comes to Cyprus - I have always maintained that Turkey, Greece the gc and the tcs have all had a hand in where we find ourselves.

As for supporting partition - my stance has always been a BBf ... Always.
So again bullshit. When people say things that are lies about the trnc I try to correct them not because I think the trnc is best place in the world, but because I think it has enough problems - as in reall problems without making up shit.

For example if you said that:

The public sector is too big and corrupt, I would say yep you are right.
If you said that the trnc is too reliant on turkey - again I would say you are right.
If you said it is not organised and not taking advantages of the resources available again I would agree - but when people just make up shit why would I agree to that.

You want to end partition... Great agree a deal with the tcs where we both make sacrifices of equal measure based on the realities of today... And guess what....... No more partition.

So you want to

What sort of reply is this? Who gives a fuck about the size of the public sector in the occupied areas? Is that what you think I mean by Turkey's policies in the north? Are you being serious? Give me a break.

And what are the "realities of today" I should accept? The only reality that counts is that the RoC is an internationally recognised member of the EU and the UN while the "TRNC" is a stinking cesspit of thieves and looters recognised by no-one. If you want an end to partition you're hardly in a position to dictate to us the terms. Now go away and don't come back till you think about what you just said. "Realities of today" my arse.

[ZoC]

Great agree a deal with the tcs where we both make sacrifices of equal measure based on the realities of today... And guess what....... No more partition.

u accuse kiks of being a "greek" cos he thinks for himself and doesn't kiss mama turkiye's arse - and now u spout the party line about "realities of today" in cyprus ('turko-speak' for long standing illegalities which should be conveniently ignored).

in what way are u different to an ignorant, brain-washed turkish fascist, dta?

[DTA]

Great agree a deal with the tcs where we both make sacrifices of equal measure based on the realities of today... And guess what....... No more partition.

u accuse kiks of being a "greek" cos he thinks for himself and doesn't kiss mama turkiye's arse - and now u spout the party line about "realities of today" in cyprus ('turko-speak' for long standing illegalities which should be conveniently ignored).

in what way are u different to an ignorant, brain-washed turkish fascist, dta?

That I agree turkey an the tcs are partly to blame
That agree that a bbf is a suitable compromise
That if I were making the decisions any gcs that would want to live in the north both today and after a solution would of course be able to.
That I would like to see a mixed cultural heritage of cyprus and in fact a mixed language
That I would like to see refugees on both sides compensated for their loss

There is a few to start with. How bout you zoc what makes you different from a brainwashed gc fascist?

[ZoC]

Great agree a deal with the tcs where we both make sacrifices of equal measure based on the realities of today... And guess what....... No more partition.

u accuse kiks of being a "greek" cos he thinks for himself and doesn't kiss mama turkiye's arse - and now u spout the party line about "realities of today" in cyprus ('turko-speak' for long standing illegalities which should be conveniently ignored).

in what way are u different to an ignorant, brain-washed turkish fascist, dta?

That I agree turkey an the tcs are partly to blame
That agree that a bbf is a suitable compromise
That if I were making the decisions any gcs that would want to live in the north both today and after a solution would of course be able to.
That I would like to see a mixed cultural heritage of cyprus and in fact a mixed language
That I would like to see refugees on both sides compensated for their loss

There is a few to start with. How bout you zoc what makes you different from a brainwashed gc fascist?

i'm a cypriot nationalist. nothing 'g' about me... i wash my own brains, thanks. i got to regularly cos they get hot and bothered, they're so over-exercised... this is wot i believe:

• turkey is wholly to blame for why cyprus is divided today. and tcs are the excuse, and too many go along with it 'cos they don't got no balls. (if they had any they wouldn't identify with turkey; they wouldn't have become tcs in the first place; after all they're converts in the main)
• bbf don't mean nothing without meat on the bones.... there are shit, unacceptable bbfs (in turkey's interests not cypriots) and bbfs that might be acceptable, but the jury's still out; i prefer a single cypriot state, one person, one vote, no more bullshit "communities", just individual citizens, who can do wot they want in the privacy of their own bedrooms (if they like it greek);
• cypriots should live where the hell the like in their own country;
• cyprus has a unique and distinct cultural heritage which should be celebrated, elevated; not polarised; people should learn english; or if they're in limassol, russian. greek/turk shit should be downplayed; it's all bollox. both "motherlands" are an embarrassment and anyone who identifies with either should grow up or else be imprisoned or shot; (ok, sectioned, i'm not a fascist: they can't help it; they need treatment);
• yes compensate everyone; the "guarantors" to pay.

[Pyrpolizer]

The fact is there are only a handful of kibrislis left in this forum.The number is approaching ZERO fast.

There are many reasons for that:
a)Kibrislis (expats and locals) are only 18%
b)It is hard to debate ANY issue on a 1:4 ratio. It is even harder when you know that the "4s" have most of the right on their side.
c)At least 30% of the Kibrislis are partitionists.They have nothing to say in this forum. That increases the ratio to 1:6.
d)In my opinion it is humanly impossible for ANY kibrisli to last long in this forum, unless s/he does not debate or at least partially agrees with the Kypreoi. VP was (?) an exception to this rule, in fact I always admired VP's endurance.
e)Recent developments regarding the gas reserves and obvious shifting of the Kypreos position convinced many Kibrislis they have nothing to discuss anymore.

Of course people come and go all the time for various reasons as for DENIZ'ES reasons for leaving because of bad language.
Deniz from Aksu I am glad I 've met you mate, you are a good Cypriot, be happy, enjoy.

[DTA]

To zoc

Bruv this forum is a microcosm of a unitary state and there are no tcs left on it. So no a unitary state won't be acceptable thank you.

Most are converts... Even if that was true so the fuck what we are still tcs. Still have a our own culture etc

To be Cypriot does not mean being a Greek Cypriot nor were the Greek Cypriots the first people on this island - we either share it together equally or stay separated.

[DTA]

The fact is there are only a handful of kibrislis left in this forum.The number is approaching ZERO fast.

There are many reasons for that:
a)Kibrislis (expats and locals) are only 18%
b)It is hard to debate ANY issue on a 1:4 ratio. It is even harder when you know that the "4s" have most of the right on their side.
c)At least 30% of the Kibrislis are partitionists.They have nothing to say in this forum. That increases the ratio to 1:6.
d)In my opinion it is humanly impossible for ANY kibrisli to last long in this forum, unless s/he does not debate or at least partially agrees with the Kypreoi. VP was (?) an exception to this rule, in fact I always admired VP's endurance.
e)Recent developments regarding the gas reserves and obvious shifting of the Kypreos position convinced many Kibrislis they have nothing to discuss anymore.

Of course people come and go all the time for various reasons as for DENIZ'ES reasons for leaving because of bad language.
Deniz from Aksu I am glad I 've met you mate, you are a good Cypriot, be happy, enjoy.

Pyro as you said of Deniz you too are a good Cypriot.

I agree with a lot of what you wrote above, save for one point you make and one glaring omission.

The one point:
Gcs are not in the right most of the time- they say things from their own experience and the tcs say things from their experience - who is right? Well that is for a power higher than any of to know and decide.

The omission
Tcs are hounded out called partisionists and fascist for expressing differnh opinions to the gc majority. A prime example would be vp who was vilified an hounded out, but in truth would support a bbf and the return a huge amount of land to the gcs - yet people like b25, Hermes, Sotos, oracle when she was here continually spout overtly racist shit and not one gc apart from banniot challenges them-

This the main reason why there are no more tcs on this forum.