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[georgios100]

I predicted this bullish attitude of Turkey back in Oct 2009.
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All of us think... ahhh, Turkey is just muscle flexing. We have many allies now (perhaps the USA as well), nothing to fear.

That's what we thought back in 1974, Turkey will never invade... but she did!

Take it from me, never rule out anything, prepare for the worst. I witnessed the 1974 invasion, I was in the National Guard, I fought these guys back then.

Expect some hostilities real soon.

Hope I am dead wrong about this so feel free to knock yourselves out...

[Cap]

So what are you saying? the terrorists are out to steal the other half of the island over gas?

[wyoming cowboy]

Giorgios......I feel you man, but nevertheless, today Cyprus is allied with the European Union, and seemingly Israel. Turkey would be foolish to invade or cause any troubles as they did in 74. The estimated reserves Cyprus has in the Leviathan field of Natural gas is reported to be able to feed all of Europe for the next 100 years....legally. In effect Cyprus handed over the whole field to Europe for a small fee of 1 billion euros a year. Turkey is blocked in with no access to the open seas and they know it and are turning more islamic day to day and moving away from the west. 74 was different, the army had full control of Turkey and the usa,britain and nato had them by the ear, they gave them full support to invade cyprus, the wheel has come around to our side the Greek, Greek cyp side. My prediction in all of this, dont be surprised if some day soon the Eu, and other powers place a naval blockade of the occuppied areas in order to force the turks to withdraw from Cyprus. The Turks are becoming more of a hindrance then an ally.

[georgios100]

If the Turks are not planning any hostilities or retaliation against Israel, why are they escalating the situation on a daily basis?
Would you think, the Turks have an exit stragety with face saving from all these threats and "measures" against Cyprus or Israel?
Do you actually think, the Turks will walk away from all this, just like that, only to show weakness in the face of the whole world?
The Turks have a plan. A long term plan. They are not stupid, as many of us think. What is that plan? I have no idea, but as the events unfold,
we will see what they are really up to.

Saddam Hussein created a void, Erdogan is the "best" guy to fill it. At least, it would appear like this. I see some sort of an alliance between Turkey & Iran.
These 2 nations can and will call all the shots in the Mid East. Syria might become a Turkish satellite if Turkey invades Syria for "humanitarian" reasons. The future Syrian leader, backed by Turkey, shall join the alliance mentioned above. Lebanon will have no choice but to join as well. If this alliance takes place, things in our region will never be the same again.

I know all of this is hypothetical but not impossible. Having said that, by having Erdogan flexing Turkish muscle in the Easterm Med... well, it displays leadership amonst the Muslim nations in the region. Others might follow this lead. Followers need a leader to follow, especially a leader who wants to take Israel head on!

This is why I expect hostilities by Turkish forces, a clear show of power by a Muslim nation, missing from the picture.

[Nikitas]

Davut today repeated his threats in case the gas search is not suspended-

Turkey will pursue the two state solution he said. The man is a joke. He must have forgotten that since 1983 they set up the TRNC, as a separate state. They have ethnically cleansed the north of GCs, they forbid any commercial GC presence in the north. In other words we have had the two state solution for nearly 40 years and the communal separation (from Turk to Turk) twenty years before that. The man is out of time.

Then we had the other dude threatening to freeze Turkish-Eu relations if Cyprus assumes the rotating EU presidency. And no doubt all EU leaders are shaking in their boots. The man has not noticed that the EU relations are frozen already.

Turkey is caught up in its own trap. They are the ones who pushed for partition and they practically achieved it. And as typically cynical Turks they want everyone to forget the TRNC, the Green Line, the flags on the mountain side and pretend we are all one nation with equal rights in wealth, if it is the wealth found in the south naturally. If it is in the north then it belongs to Turkey and the TCs.

Ade re aissihtir

[Piratis]

The Turks are pursuing a two state "solution" since 1958, which is when their plans for partition and ethnic cleansing first came out.

As far as freezing EU-Turkey relations even further, that is actually great for us. Pushing Turkey as far from EU and the West as possible should be our aim.

[supporttheunderdog]

The Turks are pursuing a two state "solution" since 1958, which is when their plans for partition and ethnic cleansing first came out.

As far as freezing EU-Turkey relations even further, that is actually great for us. Pushing Turkey as far from EU and the West as possible should be our aim.

They have probably been working on this since 1954, when they first began to make public remarkls about the possible plight of the Kibrilisi if Enosis (as was then being pushed for) came about. That said it was probably a cheap excuse as their big concern was alawys the influence it would give Greece over the Eastern Med and Southern Turkish coast.

[Nikitas]

"their big concern was alawys the influence it would give Greece over the Eastern Med and Southern Turkish coast."

And after all the trouble and expense they have gone to, we have to ask, have they achieved their goal? Is Greece more influential in the easter Med today than it would have been if there had been no invasion and Cyprus was whole and independent? The answer is obvious.

History has its own paybacks. First the EU membership, now the gas agreement with Israel, tomorrow the very probable gas finds, change the scene in the area. Partition has not only bitten them in the ass, it has delivered an almighty head butt right in the nose of Davut's theories.

They will achieve the exact same result in the south of Kastellorizo. The only result will be a huge Greek fleet of LNG carriers that will circumvent any need for undersea pipelines and which will also service north African gas fields while the Turks will hold tightly to the seabed. THeir EEZ claims are a good justification for 12 mile limtis for Greece. A developmentn which is far more important in the Aegean than any EEZ. Their concept of big power role and function is unique.

[Nikitas]

To add a new angle to the above.

If Turkey is so intent on stopping the gas search it could do something to stop it while enhancing its image generally. It could offer Famagusta in return for stopping the gas drilling.

But this wont happen because in their narrow minded version of the bazaar mentality, one only gives in exhange something from a position of strength and the only ones who deserve strength, in their point of view, is Turkey and no one else.

[B25]

To add a new angle to the above.

If Turkey is so intent on stopping the gas search it could do something to stop it while enhancing its image generally. It could offer Famagusta in return for stopping the gas drilling.

But this wont happen because in their narrow minded version of the bazaar mentality, one only gives in exhange something from a position of strength and the only ones who deserve strength, in their point of view, is Turkey and no one else.

Nikit, with respect, Famagusta return is only for the property owners there, the gas is for ALL cypriots, there is a difference. We should not accpet such an offer anyway, as now we are acting for the greater good of the nation not just the few.

There is nothing I want more than to see Cyprus liberated, but not at the price some are willing to pay.