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by **DTA** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:18 am

Sotos is full of racist shit, you continually post anti TC and Turk shit your points are worth shit.

Like I said 11 years that you tried to kill us all and you couldn't, now you think you think you can bitch when there are 500k of us in one place.... in your dreams bitch.

by **CBBB** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:46 am

DTA wrote:Sotos is full of racist shit, you continually post anti TC and Turk shit your points are worth shit.

Like I said 11 years that you tried to kill us all and you couldn't, now you think you think you can bitch when there are 500k of us in one place.... in your dreams bitch.

Where, London?

by **Capt J Sparrow** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:58 am

Kikapu wrote:Too bad GR isn't here to debate this topic. He is most probably recalled to the CNG for further training!

From my prospective, Israel has the superior upper hand if a head to head war was to break out with Turkey, as long as Israel is in a defensive mode to defend Israel and not on an attack mode attacking Turkey. With the size of Israel and the firepower she possesses as well as past combat experiences, Turkey will be suicidal to attack such a fortified Israel long ways from her shores, and specially if Turkey were to attack first, in which case, NATO will not join in to back Turkey, which may be the reasons as to why Erdogan is trying to provoke Israel to attack Turkey/Turkish military first and also the reason why Israel is refusing to play Erdogan's game by making any threats towards Turkey. But once Turkey attacks any of Israel's interests, then ALL bets are off by Israel and Turkey will find itself abandoned by NATO to fend for herself.

The examples are very clear where the USA has attacked Afghanistan and Iraq and where NATO is in Afghanistan now, but not in Iraq, just because Afghanistan/Taliban/Al Qaeda attacked the USA first and Iraq did not. It is also the reason why Erdogan now claiming that Israel's attack on the Mavi Marmara and killing of 9 Turks was an act of war, to make the claim in his mind anyway, that Israel in fact attacked a NATO member and NATO itself, but in reality, it was not an act of war and Turkey knows it and so does NATO. For one thing, Turks were not singled out from the rest on the ship and killed just because they were Turks. It was more to do with an legal blockade policing by Israel of Gaza endorsed by the UN that went all wrong aboard the Mavi Marmara than a intentional attack on the Mavi Marmara and it's "crew", hence the regret loss of life and offer of compensation by Israel, which Turkey refused to accept. Since Turkey has refused to accept "regret and compensation" offered by Israel as recommended in the Palmer report, then Israel feels like she has meet her obligations to remedy the unfortunate situation that occurred on Mavi Marmara.

All Turkey can do now is a lot of small talk and show a lot bravado against Israel, but in reality, she will not be able to do anything militarily against Israel and walk away as a winner, and if Turkey did attack Israel, it will be the day when Turkey will change forever, and not for the better I may add for the Turks, because if by some miracle Turkey was able to come close to win militarily over Israel, Israel will turn Turkey as a LAST resort into "glass" with her nuclear weapons than become extinct herself. Israel will turn any Arab states too, as a LAST resort, into "glass", if they too try to exterminate Israel, should they join in with Turkey to attack Israel. That would be a huge price to pay by any nation in trying to get rid of Israel. The enemy knows it and so does Israel, that the last "man" standing will be Israel, since the balance of power in the region does favour Israel over her new and old enemies.

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by **Kikapu** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:06 pm

Kikapu wrote:Too bad GR isn't here to debate this topic. He is most probably recalled to the CNG for further training!

From my prospective, Israel has the superior upper hand if a head to head war was to break out with Turkey, as long as Israel is in a defensive mode to defend Israel and not on an attack mode attacking Turkey. With the size of Israel and the firepower she possesses as well as past combat experiences, Turkey will be suicidal to attack such a fortified Israel long ways from her shores, and specially if Turkey were to attack first, in which case, NATO will not join in to back Turkey, which may be the reasons as to why Erdogan is trying to provoke Israel to attack Turkey/Turkish military first and also the reason why Israel is refusing to play Erdogan's game by making any threats towards Turkey. But once Turkey attacks any of Israel's interests, then ALL bets are off by Israel and Turkey will find itself abandoned by NATO to fend for herself.

The examples are very clear where the USA has attacked Afghanistan and Iraq and where NATO is in Afghanistan now, but not in Iraq, just because Afghanistan/Taliban/Al Qaeda attacked the USA first and Iraq did not. It is also the reason why Erdogan now claiming that Israel's attack on the Mavi Marmara and killing of 9 Turks was an act of war, to make the claim in his mind anyway, that Israel in fact attacked a NATO member and NATO itself, but in reality, it was not an act of war and Turkey knows it and so does NATO. For one thing, Turks were not singled out from the rest on the ship and killed just because they were Turks. It was more to do with an legal blockade policing by Israel of Gaza endorsed by the UN that went all wrong aboard the Mavi Marmara than a intentional attack on the Mavi Marmara and it's "crew", hence the regret loss of life and offer of compensation by Israel, which Turkey refused to accept. Since Turkey has refused to accept "regret and compensation" offered by Israel as recommended in the Palmer report, then Israel feels like she has meet her obligations to remedy the unfortunate situation that occurred on Mavi Marmara.

All Turkey can do now is a lot of small talk and show a lot bravado against Israel, but in reality, she will not be able to do anything militarily against Israel and walk away as a winner, and if Turkey did attack Israel, it will be the day when Turkey will change forever, and not for the better I may add for the Turks, because if by some miracle Turkey was able to come close to win militarily over Israel, Israel will turn Turkey as a LAST resort into "glass" with her nuclear weapons than become extinct herself. Israel will turn any Arab states too, as a LAST resort, into "glass", if they too try to exterminate Israel, should they join in with Turkey to attack Israel. That would be a huge price to pay by any nation in trying to get rid of Israel. The enemy knows it and so does Israel, that the last "man" standing will be Israel, since the balance of power in the region does favour Israel over her new and old enemies.

DTA wrote:what a suprise Kikapoooo does not favour Turkey, never mind the 500 years of military history that has shown the turks victoious against everyone apart from the Russians (and the turks are the only the nation to have beat them on occassion as well).

Hi DTA,

Unlike you and BigOz, I do not get emotionally involved and become all nationalistic and all touchy feelings that seems to cloud the realities of facts when I make my assessment of the situation should a major war break out between Turkey and Israel. You want to ignore the facts, then do so at your own peril, but I don't think Turkey is going to be in a hurry anytime soon to tangle up with Israel regardless all the rhetoric she is making, despite the last 500 years of successes under the Ottoman Empire. But I can see why you feel that way, because you are still hang up on the Ottoman Empires successes. Times have changed if you haven't noticed. But please do educate us on how modern day Turkey can win a war over Israel by Turkey attacking Israel with everything she has without the NATO backing?

DTA wrote:you want to back Isreal who greatest millitary win is a 6 day war.......... fuck that..... 6 days is barely a battle forget about a war.

Well, the six day war was a tremendous accomplishment in 1967 for Israel and a major defeat for those countries that did attack her. But that's not what I'm talking about, because Israel has been fighting to protect herself since 1949 against most of her neighbours and Israel is still there and militarily much stronger than ever before. Israel is always at state of war readiness, whether there is any fighting going on or not. Israelis has made Israel a fortress, and for anyone to try and penetrated it, they are going to find it extremely difficult. Is that so hard to understand.? So once again, please do educate us how Turkey can penetrate the Israeli fortress of Israel and win a war against them by air, land and sea. Defending a fortress is much easier to do than attacking it. Israel's relative small land mass is her biggest advantage which protecting it against ANY aggressors, which is much easier to do than had it been a very large country of mass. And lets not overlook Israel's nuclear capabilities. As I've stated, when pushed comes to shove, they will not hesitate for a moment to turn their enemies into "glass". They would rather ask for forgiveness after the fact in what they have done than give permission to be exterminated by their aggressors. That is the reality with the Israeli's whether you want to accept it or not.

Btw, I'm in no way taking sides here as you seem to suggest, but rather making objective comments without getting all emotional about it, that's all. :!:

DTA wrote:..... and for all you GCs salivating bout a Turkish defeat, lets just say it happens do you think you will walk over to the TRNC?????? your crazy, we held you off for 11 years when our Population was distributed into forced inclaves by you.... you think that you can defeat us when our population is in one place????? you know nothing of the TUrkish Cypriots or the Turk.

I'll let the GCs answer your above statement.

by **Capt J Sparrow** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:23 pm

We don't want to walk over the so called "trnc", an entity that is illegal.

What do you mean by "walking over" anyway? The illegal state of affairs will collapse eventually, and the legitimate authorities have no intention of "walking over" anyone. The legitimate authorities are also willing to share the resources, something the occupation regime has been unwilling to do for decades.

"Walking over" people is something completely out of context in today's realities.

However, I still reserve the right in marooning Erorgluey and Donkeytosh on an uninhabited island or make them "walk over" a plank.

by **CBBB** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:34 pm

Piratis? Capt J Sparrow?

Hmmm?

by **Capt J Sparrow** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:34 pm

Ok boys. Here are my plans for a naval siege/blocakade of occupied Cyprus.

If this doesn't scare the Turks away, then I will let rip with my BIG guns and the Sixth Fleet will provide air cover along with the IAF and the GAF....

If anyone has anything to contribute, then let me know.

Oh, I am looking for new crew members!