AlanwithoneL wrote:Piratis wrote:AlanwithoneL wrote:Piratis wrote:the last thing that would 'solve problems' is war.
Turkey doesn't seem to agree with you. They invaded Cyprus in 1974 and they continue to maintain the war by maintaining their illegal occupation until today. They also constantly use their troops against the Kurds, destroying 1000s of Kurdish villages, and even invading the Kurds in Iraq. They constantly violate the airspace of Greece with their fighter jets and they constantly issue threats against their neighbors, like the recent threats of sending their navy to prevent Cyprus from extracting natural gas from her own Exclusive Economic Zone.
If Turkey was a peaceful nation then there wouldn't be a Cyprus Problem and we wouldn't be having this discussion now. Unfortunately the Turks are not a peaceful nation which means liberating the north part of our island by peaceful means is not an option.
if this was to be resolved by war Turkey will unleash hell on Israel and there isn't much that America could do about it.
Do you think that Erdogan also thinks like you? I wish he does!
With due respect, Turkey is in Cyprus as a result of the GC's attempt to ethnically cleanse the TC"s. I find id very strange that the year most significant to the problems, 1963, is never mentioned by GC's, is this some kind brainwashing within your education system? 1974 keeps popping up never is there reference made to 1963. As I said I'm not a great fan of Turkey or its policy in regards with the Kurds. One undeniable fact is that each and every TC is forever grateful for Turkeys intervention and prevention of our extermination by our GC neighbours.
Please bear in mind, the TC's have a share in the natural resources found within Cyprus waters. I think you'll find USA endorses this.
Not a single TC was killed in 1974 until the 20th of July when Turkey with the help of TCs invaded Cyprus and started to murder people by the 1000s and ethnically cleansing Cypriots by the 100s of thousands.
As far as the inter-communal conflict goes, it did not start in 1963 as your propaganda claims, but in 1958 when broadcasts from Turkey called on the TCs to start a civil war and murder Greek Cypriots. In that year the TCs burned down homes and shops and massacred GCs, while at the same time demanding that we should be ethnically cleansed from half of our island.
You started that conflict and we just responded to it. Furthermore this conflict was over by 1968, 6 whole years before the Turkish invasion.
The fact is that the Turks started
all conflicts in Cyprus. From their very first invasion in 1570, to the 300+ years of oppression that followed until 1878, to the inter-communal conflict which they started 80 years later in 1958, and finally to their last invasion in 1974 and the decades of illegal occupation that followed. Out of all this sea of crimes you committed against the people of Cyprus with many 10s of thousands of murders and 100s of years of oppression, you want to present yourself as supposedly the victims because during a conflict which you started you also had a comparatively small amount of casualties?
The Turks have murdered 10s of thousands of Cypriots, many 10s of thousands of Kurds, they committed genocides against Armenians and not only by killing millions, and then you have the nerve to come in here and present yourselves as the nice ones who are going to give lessons to others? The Israelis are Angels compared to the Turks. Only Nazi Germany can compare to the Turkish state, but at least the Germans have recognized their wrong doings, while the Turks not only refuse to recognize the massive crimes and genocides they committed in the past, not only they continue to commit crimes and illegalities against Cyprus and Kurds as we speak, but they also threaten many of their neighbors with even more crimes and illegalities in the future.
Look, I don't blame you for the way you feel about Turkey and you shouldn't blame for the way TC's feel about GC's. To you even the Israelis are angels compared to Turks, the rest of the world would probably disagree with you but hey, to you anything Turkish is evil. Thats fine by me.
It shouldn't then surprise or upset you if TC's worst nightmare are the GC's. I have no idea how old you are or how much of the truth has been told to you by your parents, teachers or your church but let me make it quite clear to you, the TC's were no better than what the Palestinians find themselves in today. My grandparents, parents, the elderly I have day to day contact with cannot stress enough how vulnerable the TC community was, they were spat at, sworn at, slapped and beaten to a pulp on daily basis, so to the TC's the Israelis are angels compared to GC's. Thats just the way of the world.
It is obvious that in your case it is just about feelings and nothing more.
But what I talk about is not about "feelings". I talk about facts. The Turks, in the last century alone, have murdered
1000s of Cypriots,
10s of thousands of Kurds and
millions of Armenians and other Christians who inhabited Asia Minor. While I do not approve of the actions of Israel against the Palestinians, it is a
fact that the Israelis are nowhere as bad.
If the Israelis were as bad as the Turks, the Palestinians at
best would be denied their identity and called "mountain Israelis", they would have no autonomy whatsoever and the possibility of a free Palestine would not even be discussed, this is how Turkey treats the Kurds. At
worst the Palestinians would have been genocided long time ago and only a tiny minority of them would still be living in Israel, just like the Turks have done with the Armenians and other native people of Asia Minor. So no, the Israelis are nowhere near as bad as the Turks, and this is proven by the facts, no matter what you might feel.
As far as Cypriots go, we suffered from the Turkish oppression for centuries - parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, great great grandparents, great great great grandparents etc etc. We never left our island to invade or harm anybody else. It is the Turks that invaded our island and it is them that at no point in history accepted that the Cypriot people have the right to democratically rule their own island. On the contrary they started multiple wars and conflicts with the aim to keep Cyprus enslaved. And then you want to portrait yourself as the victims because in the wars and conflicts you started against us you also had casualties?
Many in the world know the truth about the Turks, but many indeed do not. The Americans were a great help to you (with the help of the Jewish lobby) to avoid convicting their good Turkish friends about the genocides and crimes the Turks committed. But now Israel is not your friends anymore, and hopefully the Americans will not be your friends either soon, so the whole world is about to find out what the Turks are really about. Unless of course Erdogan realizes how foolish he has been and he starts kissing Jewish and American asses again. That is the only way to save Turkey.
