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[Pyrpolizer]

The odds are that things will evolve like you said Hermes.
My main point however was to demonstrate us in this forum how the Turks deal with politics. They generally blur the issue, hit another issue, cause confusion, use threats and measure responses, they re-shuffle all the cards and throw the dice and wait to see what will happen. They do this all the time and sometimes unexpected results happen.
I will not be surprised if they get unexpected results out of this as well. AGAINST ALL THE ODDS as you described them!!
And then we will all have to bow to the Turks-who we think are stupid LOL.

[Kikapu]

The odds are that things will evolve like you said Hermes.
My main point however was to demonstrate us in this forum how the Turks deal with politics. They generally blur the issue, hit another issue, cause confusion, use threats and measure responses, they re-shuffle all the cards and throw the dice and wait to see what will happen. They do this all the time and sometimes unexpected results happen.
I will not be surprised if they get unexpected results out of this as well. AGAINST ALL THE ODDS as you described them!!
And then we will all have to bow to the Turks-who we think are stupid LOL.

Well, here is one scenario that could happen to demonstrate what you are talking about, Pyro.

Turkey can deliberately create such an friction between herself and Israel to a point where the USA will start to feel the political squeeze as to which side to back in case of a military confrontation between the two, in which case, the USA would give anything to get herself out of the political jam. Now, we know Turkey doesn't really care about an apology from Israel, but any compromise from the USA on Cyprus would be a welcomed by Turkey. Turkey can say to the USA, "we will sort things out with Israel if you can prevent the RoC from;

a) not to do any exploring or drilling for Gas & Oil
b) that the RoC does not take over the EU Presidency
c) that the USA supports a Cyprus settlement along the lines of the Annan Plan
d) that Turkey is allowed to purchase the 100 F-35 Lockheed Martin jet fighters WITH the source code used in the aircraft's software.........and so on."

Any or all of the above would make Turkey happy to forget about an apology from Israel. I don't think Turkey is pushing their sour relationship with Israel to the limit for a lousy apology, but instead pushing the USA to back Turkey on other more important issues, such as the ones I mentioned above. The question is, will the USA want to give into Turkey's demands to make sacrifices, which sometime in the past I think the USA would have given into such demands/blackmail, specially when it came to Cyprus, but now that Cyprus is in the EU, I do not think Turkey will get the USA to make such compromises, only because it would be out of the USA's hands. The USA will need to deal with the EU over what happens with Cyprus and her Oil & Gas and the EU will back the RoC over what ever happens between Turkey and Israel. The USA won't be even able to prevent US Oil companies to explore and drill for Oil & Gas in the Eastern Mediterranean.

Turkey is playing a very dangerous game if they are doing what I suspect they are doing, because the moment the USA does not accept any of the demands/blackmail made by Turkey either on Cyprus or the F-35 jets or any other issues that the USA goes not want to give in, Turkey will be left with an egg on their face and politically very much weakened, since I do not believe for a moment, that Turkey will want to start anything militarily with Israel, since the USA will not be able to remain on the fence for too long before they choosing sides, and the side they will be choosing won't be Turkey, specially if Turkey initiates any aggression against Israel or Turkey forcefully tries to break the Gaza blockade. Fellow NATO member or no fellow NATO member, Turkey will suffer the most from any military confrontation with Israel, both politically and militarily.

[Jerry]

Turkey is going to "host" missile warning systems to the US, it wants to remain important to the NATO allies. Once installed it will no doubt use the threat of their removal to persuade the US support its ambitions in, say, Cyprus. America is going to have to face some difficult decisions in the near future. I hope Cyprus is not the sacrificial lamb, I suppose it depends on how much oil/gas we find.

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-255725- ... radar.html

[fig head]

I am surprised that a country as Cyprus lived through invasions and and IS DIVIDED can easily make deals with a country like Israel, bad moves Cyprus, you get less support from neighbour countries it is kind of shameful you are not alone in the mid east and choosing the enemy No1 for most the mid east countries including (now) Turkey will not bring any good. Cyprus is not a strong neither powerful country and Israel only want its way to the EU , Israel using Cyprus and Cyprus too blind or too arrogant to know that

[Jerry]

I am surprised that a country as Cyprus lived through invasions and and IS DIVIDED can easily make deals with a country like Israel, bad moves Cyprus, you get less support from neighbour countries it is kind of shameful you are not alone in the mid east and choosing the enemy No1 for most the mid east countries including (now) Turkey will not bring any good. Cyprus is not a strong neither powerful country and Israel only want its way to the EU , Israel using Cyprus and Cyprus too blind or too arrogant to know that

But Israel is "little America" in the Med and America (and the EU) will ultimately decide Cyprus's fate.

[Kikapu]

Turkey is going to "host" missile warning systems to the US, it wants to remain important to the NATO allies. Once installed it will no doubt use the threat of their removal to persuade the US support its ambitions in, say, Cyprus. America is going to have to face some difficult decisions in the near future. I hope Cyprus is not the sacrificial lamb, I suppose it depends on how much oil/gas we find.

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-255725- ... radar.html

Once Turkey has agreed to allow the missile defence system on her soil, it will be very difficult for Turkey to try and blackmail the US after the fact. Besides, it will be deployed in Diyarbakır, which is in the Kurdish region of Turkey and which may also become a Kurdish state at some point in the future. I'm sure Turkey already did try to get concessions from the USA on Cyprus before allowing the missiles to be deployed. My guess is, Turkey got nothing in return regarding Cyprus, or else she would not be up in arms about the Israeli apology drama. It also appears that Turkey got nothing from the Israeli's for them to cancel any Oil & Gas agreements she had signed with Cyprus, or else the apology saga would have ended already. My guess is, Turkey wants to push Israel to the limit in order to get the US to step in to diffuse any potential military conflict between Turkey and Israel. It is then, that Turkey MIGHT have some chance of getting any concessions from the US on Cyprus, but in reality, I doubt it. The ONLY thing the US could do, is to recognise the "trnc" if the EU does not want to play into USA's predicament should a showdown emerge between Israel and Turkey. Even then, I doubt the US would give into Turkey's demands. The US instead might let Israel and Turkey go at it militarily until Turkey finds out the hard way which of the two are the REAL regional military powers, and which one is not!

[boomerang]

Turkey is going to "host" missile warning systems to the US, it wants to remain important to the NATO allies. Once installed it will no doubt use the threat of their removal to persuade the US support its ambitions in, say, Cyprus. America is going to have to face some difficult decisions in the near future. I hope Cyprus is not the sacrificial lamb, I suppose it depends on how much oil/gas we find.

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-255725- ... radar.html

turkey wouldn't take the chance in case it backfires, as other countries are standing by to take the lead...if turkey takes the lead and it backfires she will get dropped from NATO the same time...

just a reminder, turkey insisted on a UN commission to issue a report, on the Mavi, but now she is in a difficult position of rejecting it after she asked for it, while israel did not ask for it, but not only endorsing the findings, but legitimized it's operations...this is a major blunder for the turks...someone should have told erdogan to be careful what he wishes.... :lol

and the arabs are crying foul...well they got the turks to thank for that...now they are in a worsed position than before when turkey was not on the scene...the embargo now is legit and there is absolutely nothing they can do about it...sometimes it does not pay to listen to 2 bob diplomacy as the palestinians found out, the hard way...

[Kikapu]

Hi Boomer,

Turkey is saying it does not recognise the findings on the Mavi Marmara, because it was not endorsed by the UNSC. The only problem with that is, Turkey does not respect anything passed by the UNSC on Cyprus either, so once again, Turkey finds herself in a very hypocritical situation and one can only stand and laugh and not take her seriously, which Israel does not.

Just one more thing.

The Annan Plan was not endorsed by the UNSC either, but Turkey accepts it as Gospel. BBF was endorsed by the UNSC, but Turkey does not accept it now and wants to change its structure.

[boomerang]

yeah i know kiks...but regardless if it's endorsed or not, what hurts the turks the most, they asked for it and now are not endorsing the outcome...kinda backfired on them...who ever gave them legal advice on this should be immediately sacked...a total embarassment...

[boomerang]

The odds are that things will evolve like you said Hermes.
My main point however was to demonstrate us in this forum how the Turks deal with politics. They generally blur the issue, hit another issue, cause confusion, use threats and measure responses, they re-shuffle all the cards and throw the dice and wait to see what will happen. They do this all the time and sometimes unexpected results happen.
I will not be surprised if they get unexpected results out of this as well. AGAINST ALL THE ODDS as you described them!!
And then we will all have to bow to the Turks-who we think are stupid LOL.

pyro this is how it's gonna pan out...the turks are gonna make a lot of noice, and then at the eleventh hr they will back down and call it a consession...