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[Harry]

Here in New York, there's no tension between Greeks and Turks, why is that. I have a haircutter who is from Istanbul that came here 2 years ago and we are so much alike its ridiculous. OK hes not a TC but we see eye to eye in alot of our discussions, we talk racially with other types of nationalities, sex and things foreigners are not used to dare talkng about. I opened him up the American way. He was shy when he first came here but now he voices his opinion like an American and I'm proud of him because he came a long way through hard work and adapted very well with no family here. Hes 24 now.
My point I'm trying to make is that in this country we hire people for their services, just like any other country and thats how we mingle and learn about one another. How can Greeks and Turks mingle today if Turks only work for Greeks. Everyone hates their boss. That perception of TC's is always going to be this way against Greeks. And thats what went on in the 50's 60's and half of the 70's.
My solution to the Cyprus problem is as follows, in the north, government assistance to help TC's start out businesses should be double more than GC's for a 10 year time. Not North getting 259 million for that region for saying yes, yes to what Greek stolen land no way.Give that money and more for Turks in the North to open up businesses. I'm sure most people in North Cyprus don't have a lot of money. This is the help to tidy up the place and make jobs for them. And they wouldn't be so angry and left out. Nothing was said about that so far, but maybe the Turkish politicians want to keep that money for themselves, who knows.

[BirKibrisli]

Harry wrote

My solution to the Cyprus problem is as follows, in the north, government assistance to help TC's start out businesses should be double more than GC's for a 10 year time. Not North getting 259 million for that region for saying yes, yes to what Greek stolen land no way.Give that money and more for Turks in the North to open up businesses. I'm sure most people in North Cyprus don't have a lot of money. This is the help to tidy up the place and make jobs for them. And they wouldn't be so angry and left out. Nothing was said about that so far, but maybe the Turkish politicians want to keep that money for themselves, who knows.

I think this will go a long way towards generating trust and goodwill between the communities.But there is one catch: For these new businesses to succeed the embargoes on the North must be removed so that people can sell their goods or services of whatever.Harry,Would you not object if the sanctions were lifted?

[Harry]

I would definetly agree, but first you have to get rid of the military before you negotiate, hold-on the properties for now. But know full well that your giving back every square inch that has title deeds. Of coarse the sanctions should be lifted only after a deal, not before. But don't say that the military stays till a deal, they gotta go immediately.Then sell anything you want except drugs. But remember nothing is finalized, sanctions arent getting lifted till we GET our property back. And what I wrote in my last post flys also for TC's. Would you agree to that?

[Viewpoint]

I would definetly agree, but first you have to get rid of the military before you negotiate, hold-on the properties for now. But know full well that your giving back every square inch that has title deeds. Of coarse the sanctions should be lifted only after a deal, not before. But don't say that the military stays till a deal, they gotta go immediately.Then sell anything you want except drugs. But remember nothing is finalized, sanctions arent getting lifted till we GET our property back. And what I wrote in my last post flys also for TC's. Would you agree to that?

Why cant the army stay until we strike a deal or do you harbour other intentions? or is to weaken our negotiating position. We dont trust GCs at this stage and therefore can only gradually build the trust necessary to send the Turkish army packing.

[Main_Source]

Yes VP...with all the world watching and with Cyprus being in the EU...we want the Turkish military to leave so we can kill off the whole TC population within a few hours.

VP, your arguments are that of a desparate person and I think you cant get enough straws to clutch on to.

[Viewpoint]

Yes VP...with all the world watching and with Cyprus being in the EU...we want the Turkish military to leave so we can kill off the whole TC population within a few hours.

VP, your arguments are that of a desparate person and I think you cant get enough straws to clutch on to.

I dont know about straws but your (GCs) constant demand for the army to leave before any sort of agreement is reached fuels this genuine fear which you so flipantly toss to one side giving credence to possible vendeta repraisal against TCs which your venomous posts against TCs displays you personally seem possible of carrying out. There is more ways of getting rid of a population than putting a gun to their heads (maybe u will use those stored in your homes) you should know GCs have lots of experience and so far on this forum the mindset you guys display is no different from that of the 1960s. We do not trust you one inch, if only we could but you or your administration display no characteristics that would allow us to move in that direction.

[Piratis]

The solution should include a transitional period. (long one if needed)

This transitional period will allow things to happen gradually. GCs will not get their land from one day to the next, and TCs will not get full trade from one day to the next.

When all land is returned then all "embargoes" will be lifted. This way both sides will have a motive to move more quickly from the transitional period and reach the final aim which is one united Cyprus.

If we can not agree on solution from now, then we could agree that if lets say TCs return a part of land, they get a part of trade. If they want more trade, they should return more land and so on.

[Viewpoint]

The solution should include a transitional period. (long one if needed)

This transitional period will allow things to happen gradually. GCs will not get their land from one day to the next, and TCs will not get full trade from one day to the next.

When all land is returned then all "embargoes" will be lifted. This way both sides will have a motive to move more quickly from the transitional period and reach the final aim which is one united Cyprus.

If we can not agree on solution from now, then we could agree that if lets say TCs return a part of land, they get a part of trade. If they want more trade, they should return more land and so on.

When you say all the land what do u mean????

[Piratis]

When you say all the land what do u mean????

I mean all the land that is illegally occupied by the Turkish army.

[Viewpoint]

When you say all the land what do u mean????

I mean all the land that is illegally occupied by the Turkish army.

SO the areas where the army bases are located? or all the houses where TCs and settlers live and where there has been development?