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Greeks and Turks dont get along only in Cyprus

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Viewpoint » Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:11 pm

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The RoC as agreed in 1960 not only it is not a "GC administration" but it gives to the 18% TC minority powers that no other minority of equivalent size has. During this transitional period TCs will gradually get their rights and powers in RoC and by the end of it they will have the 100% of what belongs to them.


The "RoC" as is, is a GC administration it does not represent TCs, the 18% you quote is missing, how can I put this the last piece in jigsaw the wheel on the bike is missing, the picture is incomplete the bike cannot move is that clear enough?? so what does that make the government as defined in the 1960 agreements, DEFUNKED and the current administration is elected by GCs run by GCs only for GCs residing in south Cyprus, we have nothing to do with it.

At the end of this transitional period of course I expect the Turkish army to leave (except maybe from those 650 soldiers as per the 1960 agreements) and I expect the end result to be one country with sovereignty over the whole island. If this does not happen this mean that no real unification happened, which means there was no solution.


I agree that during an agreed transitional period all armed forces should leave the island but I do not have a proble with symbolic numbers.
So you are against a BBF 2 constituent states under a federal umbrella. Arent you a bit late your leaders have agreed to this and even Papadop mouths the same form of a solution to whole world, does this mean your administration has not been genuinely negoatiating a BBF all these years? does this make GCs a trustworthy partner? you may agree something today and renege on it tomorrow just like the 1960 agreement which you hold onto so dearly today.

The 1960 agreements is the only legal thing and the only thing we have agreed. During this transitional period we can change these agreements if both communities agree. For this to happen it means that the changes should be balanced. In order to get something more you have to give something equivalent as a return.



Why the hell have we gone through the past 45 years why are we busting a gut trying to negotiate new plans?? if we intend to go back to square one, do you realize how difficult it would be for TCs to just return to the 1960 agreements which was the basis of all our troubles and the GCs mindset that we were granted to many concessions, have you now changed your minds yet again??? Initially we want our own constituent state where we can feel safe and secure out of the reach of hidden agendas and with safety measures where the past cannot be repeated. If in 30 40 years time there is no problems and all Cypriots are living peaceful and in harmony where no GC domination is forced upon our community then the unitary state that you desire can be introduced if both communites agree.

I know you would prefer to force us to capitulate and take a lot more than the 1960 agreements and give to us a lot a lot less, but this will not happen.


Piratis hasnt anyone told you the state of play has changed we have a totally different situation in 2005 and we have no wish for you to give up this is your island as well. We want to live in peace if the formula we seek to provide this is BBF then so be it, anything that makes TCs feel unsafe and under GC domination will be rejected time and time again.
You have to move forward not backwards, the constution you live under will not address our concerns and the psycological barrier for us is to great to get over. We have to be visionary and bold in bringing about a solution that will draw the Cyprus issue to an amicable end and allow all Cypriots to live without this shit in our daily lives.

Dont you agree??
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Postby Piratis » Sat Sep 03, 2005 1:23 pm

The "RoC" as is, is a GC administration it does not represent TCs, the 18% you quote is missing

It is missing because you choose to go the illegal way and form the "TRNC" instead. You can dissolve the "TRNC" and return what you illegally occupy and then no 18% will be missing.



So you are against a BBF 2 constituent states under a federal umbrella.

It depends. Having your own state is something more for you than what was agreed in 1960. If you give up something of equivalent weight then I could agree. If you want only to take and not to give then of course I am against.





Initially we want our own constituent state where we can feel safe and secure out of the reach of hidden agendas and with safety measures where the past cannot be repeated. If in 30 40 years time there is no problems and all Cypriots are living peaceful and in harmony where no GC domination is forced upon our community then the unitary state that you desire can be introduced if both communites agree.

This is a joke, right? Give me all your money, and then in 50 years if I want I will give them back to you :lol:



We want to live in peace if the formula we seek to provide this is BBF then so be it, anything that makes TCs feel unsafe and under GC domination will be rejected time and time again.

You mean anything that means that TCs would have to return what they stole would be rejected time and time again.

You have to move forward not backwards

Forward means democracy, human rights, having in Cyprus a normal country just like all the other EU countries.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat Sep 03, 2005 2:22 pm

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It is missing because you choose to go the illegal way and form the "TRNC" instead. You can dissolve the "TRNC" and return what you illegally occupy and then no 18% will be missing.


Its missing because we messed up and could not live together without hidden agendas and Enosis/Taksim, so we seperated in 1974 and now we are trying to reunite but we are still are not able to agree what would be best for everyone. Over the last 2 years I have seen neither side have the vision or desire to move forward. You have your views and I have mine, if we cannot be trusting partners what do we do????

It depends. Having your own state is something more for you than what was agreed in 1960. If you give up something of equivalent weight then I could agree. If you want only to take and not to give then of course I am against.


New state of play, have you heard of the expression? we are now in 2005 we need a solution that would work not like the 1960 agreements which dont forget GCs feel they were forced to accept and gave TCs to many concessions, whats happen now has the constitution chnaged so much that now its all you can see, not considering realistic alternatives.
Why are you so hung up with more or less we want whats best for both communities, whatever that formula might be.

This is a joke, right? Give me all your money, and then in 50 years if I want I will give them back to you


when you refer to money do you mean property? the property issue will be resolved in a comprehensive solution where GCs will get their rights back where it is possible and the rest will be compensated via being given the choice between alternative land or cash.
We want to feel safe and not under any GC threat of domination, that why having our own constituent state goes some way to meeting TCs concerns.

You mean anything that means that TCs would have to return what they stole would be rejected time and time again


No I dont the property issue for me is not a problem, the political equality issue and BBF are more important.

Forward means democracy, human rights, having in Cyprus a normal country just like all the other EU countries.


Forward means a peaceful and harmonious Cyprus.
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