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[ELLAS H TEFRA!]

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Gelas re, gelas!

[Alexios]

[would like to partition the Island yes!
Never said otherwise.

And if MY arguments serve those who want to partition it, then we have a big problem since a significant percentage of the right wing supporters does favour partitioning the island![/b][/quote]

Its not the right wing who want to partition the island.DYSY are right wing so please dont put words in people,s mouths. Its nationalists like you who want to partition the island, just as T/Cs nationalists want to do likewise.Thats why i said before that strangely you are the biggest allies. Perhaps you should start having meetings woth the grey wolves to co-ordinate on your common objective...

[Piratis]

Its not the right wing who want to partition the island.DYSY are right wing so please dont put words in people,s mouths. Its nationalists like you who want to partition the island, just as T/Cs nationalists want to do likewise.

Alexios, just a question: Where do you think that most of the nationalists belong? In AKEL?
Let me tell you, if those nationalists were not DISY supporters then DYSY would not even have half the power that it has now and Cleredes would have never been elected as a president.

By the way, do you know that Anastasiades had suggested that the Greek Cypriot Component State should have the Greek flag as its flag?

I would like to partition the Island yes!
Never said otherwise.

And if MY arguments serve those who want to partition it, then we have a big problem since a significant percentage of the right wing supporters does favour partitioning the island!

We knew this from the time of EOKA B and junta when they had agreed with CIA and Turkey to partition Cyprus. Our mistake was that we didn't react the way we should have reacted to this treason.

[ELLAS H TEFRA!]

I am still waiting for someone to explain to me why partition is nationalistic, treasonous and wrong!

Unless we realise that we are not getting anything better than that joke of a solution that was the Annan Plan then we are deep in trouble. Accordingly, rather than bending over for Turkey and the Turks who live in Cyprus, since a better plan is no where in site, I would rather choose a partition, that in effect will take away their European passports!

Where is EOKA B the CIA and all that bullshit you both threw at me coming from???

Suddenly we've agreed that the ANNAN plan was just and partition is out of the question?? Dreams..dreams that you people have while awake for that matter..

Yeah, I am a traitor, cause I dont want to hand over the south as well.
SUE ME!

PS: Alexios (aka "communist") polls have shown continuously that more than 70% of DHSY supporters voted against the party's instructions!

Unlike other parties, we have shown that we are not sheep to the slaughter, and even Clerides's famous speach about a solution before his death was a complete failure!

If Ezekias was alive and had the same speach, the ANNAN plan would have been a huge "success" for the UN...!

[ELLAS H TEFRA!]

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[cypezokyli]

Unlike other parties, we have shown that we are not sheep to the slaughter, and even Clerides's famous speach about a solution before his death was a complete failure!

i am just wondering which sheeps to the slaughter were voting for clerides for three times in a row (the last time they failed). i am just wondering which sheep were voting the president who practically negotiated the annan plan. i remember some years before arguing that clerides is giving in too much and the answer i always got was: clerides is a patriot.

it appears that clerides was quite clever as a politician.
he was waiving a blue-white flag at the sheep
they shouted "i kypros einai elliniki" and never considered or bothered to care what he negotiated.

and the worst nobody apoligised that he was voting for him for so many years. nobody ever accepted that the reason they choose for their party has never been the cyprus problem (just like all the rest of the parties ofcource)

[ELLAS H TEFRA!]

Unlike other parties, we have shown that we are not sheep to the slaughter, and even Clerides's famous speach about a solution before his death was a complete failure!

i am just wondering which sheeps to the slaughter were voting for clerides for three times in a row (the last time they failed). i am just wondering which sheep were voting the president who practically negotiated the annan plan. i remember some years before arguing that clerides is giving in too much and the answer i always got was: clerides is a patriot.

it appears that clerides was quite clever as a politician.
he was waiving a blue-white flag at the sheep
they shouted "i kypros einai elliniki" and never considered or bothered to care what he negotiated.

and the worst nobody apoligised that he was voting for him for so many years. nobody ever accepted that the reason they choose for their party has never been the cyprus problem (just like all the rest of the parties ofcource)

Clerides and his policies were inline with our beliefs for decades, but at the very end when he made a wrong decision he was punished with our show of disloyalty! That is what not being a sheep means.

By claiming that we have been sheep all three times without any proper evidence to back that up does not achieve anything! What else did he do wrong other than try and persuade us to vote for the NAI??

PS: At least he was waving a flag that actually represents something in terms of ideology, culture, and ethnicity. Where does the red flag with the Hammer/Sickle fit in!?

[cypezokyli]

i dont know if it is really worth it, but i ll give it one more chance.

the plan my friend did not come out of the blue, nor did it fell from the sky. most off the things that were inside were things that our leadership has accepted. the bizonal - bicómmunal thing was on the security council resolutions for ages.

it was clerides who negotiated and brought that plan to the table. the person who came to power promising to burry the ideas of the former general secreatary of the UN. the aplan no1 was given when he was still a president. it is he who accepted most of the things that were inside. the problem was that most of you could just see the flag.

he even promised you s-300 malakies to get your votes, and yet with a party of around 30 % he almost reached 40% in the last elections, let aside the markides votes. he did exactly the opposite of what he promised and still he got more votes than his party.

as for the decades of policy or how did you call it?

Clerides and his policies were inline with our beliefs for decades,

let me give you a website from what clerides was saying in 1974 so as to realise what his policies were. and how a great politician he was, i.e. shouting "tin patrida ouk elato paradoso" and you could not see his actions but just the outside image. great politician indeed. he was just telling you what you wanted to listen because my friend he knew that u r in no pisition to realise or bother what he was negotiating.

http://www.iospress.gr/ios2004/ios20040418a.htm

here my friend, if you bother to read it is what tassos makarios klerides and kyprianou were argueing after the invasion.
only clerides foresaw that we whould accept a federation.
( makarios by the way accepted it only in 1977.)

he said among other things: we should not try to give the impressions that there would be a solution through the UN. it gives illusions to the people.

when it came to federal republic clerides said (let me remind u, in 1974.)
the continuation of the current situation is ´catastrophal...i think that in order to start discussing we should accept the principle of federation.


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Clerides and his policies were inline with our beliefs for decades

whcih are your beliefs if i may ask?
which are the beliefs of the person u have voted if i may ask?

as for tassos he said (let me remind once again in 1974): if the turkish flag waves for more than two or three months in the north it will be difficult afterwards to put it down.

clerides: i repeat we should realise what is going on, and draw a realistic policy.i am not worried what the public opinion will say in cyprus. a sacrifice has to be made.

Clerides and his policies were inline with our beliefs for decades

which are your beliefs?
which are clerides beliefs?

these my friend were published 13 years before 2004. (u make the math)

clerides policies were known to all those who really cared about the cyprus problem.

in his katathesi he sais: the gc attitude which was a result of the excessive rights that were given to the tc after the zurich agreements, shows clearly the psycological complexes under which that the gc leadership was working and living, and its inability to overcome them.

and the funny thing was that a number of you patriots, do have clerides katathesi at home, and they did not ever bothered to read it.


and i would predict that dysi votes will increase in the next elections (in comparison to the european ones) not because of dysis policy on the cyprus problem, but bc almost each and every one of you, owe some kind of rousfet to nick. he knows it and you know it. we are talking about ten years in power. and if you want some more rousfet u r not going to get it from rikkos or prodrommou. nick is the key

by the way i have never in my life waved a red flag with a hammer and sickle.

[Piratis]

he did exactly the opposite of what he promised

This is what I was telling to Bananiot some time ago. So basically he was lying to steal votes. Therefore he didn't truly represent the Greek Cypriots (not even the majority of them).

In democracy the best leader is the one who can convince his people. The worst is the one who deceives his people. Cleredes was the second kind.

[ManoWAR]

he did exactly the opposite of what he promised

This is what I was telling to Bananiot some time ago. So basically he was lying to steal votes. Therefore he didn't truly represent the Greek Cypriots (not even the majority of them).

In democracy the best leader is the one who can convince his people. The worst is the one who deceives his people. Cleredes was the second kind.

I absolutely agree!