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[BirKibrisli]

Hello Kifeas,Yasu gardashim,

Have you heard the news,The English has won back the Ashes from Australia after 18 years (in Cricket if you are not familiar with that term).
Do you think Ellas H Tefra is really a cricket player?The ashes he wants are those ashes???

[Kifeas]

Hello Kifeas,Yasu gardashim,

Have you heard the news,The English has won back the Ashes from Australia after 18 years (in Cricket if you are not familiar with that term).
Do you think Ellas H Tefra is really a cricket player?The ashes he wants are those ashes???

Yiasou brother,
I do not really know but most likely he is a bored out and unhappy guy. He was probably inspired by the GC plane crash in which some bodies disappeared completely and became ashes. As for cricket …I prefer soccer.

[cypezokyli]

re Birkibrisli
i ve read today about al Qaeda threatening australia and italy.

take tare down there, and all of you people in australia

[BirKibrisli]

Yiasou Cypezokyli,
You are right mate,Al qaeda finally named Melbourne as a target.
That's Ok we can spare Melbourne,as long as they leave Sydney alone!
Jokes aside,our government here is playing a very dangerous game,blindly supporting everything that Bush does.They've already hit us in Bali with hundreds of deaths.But after the experience with Wake up in this forum I am not scared of little old al Qaeda...Bring them on.

[cmantas_liberal]

No offend, but what we shall do? expect till muslims conquere the world with their sick jehadi-nazi ideology? Civilised world, including secular muslims, shall fight terrorists like it did with nazis in ww2.

I dont agree with Bush politics but no matter how idiot he is (the same rule applies for J.Howard), the problem is large and we shall eliminate fanatic Islam. If you have not understood it yet, we are in war against those lunatics. Muslims hit America,Spain and London in cold blood and they killed thousand of innocent pp, while Muslim communities are doing nothing to preserve the western civilized world. I've never heard of any Muslim community expelling an immam. What muslims are doing is to condemn terrorism and say 'islam is about peace' but in the end they do not take any action and they tolerate fanatic imams preaching for Jehad within their communities. Therefore every muslim who does not take action against terrorism is a terrorist! If they do not like our civilization they can go and live in the mountains of anatolia or aghanistan.

[cypezokyli]

what us this thing with muslims lately???!!!!!!!

the western powers dont even take a look at their own history in order to understand that religions just make their circle.

the fact that islam turned to extremism, it due to the western powers arrogance, and actions.

What muslims are doing is to condemn terrorism and say 'islam is about peace' but in the end they do not take any action and they tolerate fanatic imams preaching for Jehad within their communities. Therefore every muslim who does not take action against terrorism is a terrorist

the same thing holds for every european or american who accepts racism. just claming i am not racist, and not taking any action against it then it makes u a racist... or not?

besides.... THE CYPRUS PROBLEM IS NOT A RELIGIOUS ONE.


actually if we really want to be honest, the gc priests did much more harm to cyprus (in spreading hate) than the tcs hotjas (how do u write that?).

(just for the record: ofcource those who attacked london, madrid and NY are terrorists)

[BirKibrisli]

I dont agree with Bush politics but no matter how idiot he is (the same rule applies for J.Howard), the problem is large and we shall eliminate fanatic Islam. If you have not understood it yet, we are in war against those lunatics. Muslims hit America,Spain and London in cold blood and they killed thousand of innocent pp, while Muslim communities are doing nothing to preserve the western civilized world. I've never heard of any Muslim community expelling an immam. What muslims are doing is to condemn terrorism and say 'islam is about peace' but in the end they do not take any action and they tolerate fanatic imams preaching for Jehad within their communities. Therefore every muslim who does not take action against terrorism is a terrorist! If they do not like our civilization they can go and live in the mountains of anatolia or aghanistan.

Yiasou Cmantas,sorry I was away from my computer for a few days.
I think the world is being too hard on moslems.When the IRA or ETA or ASALAwere killing innocent people around the world,the world did not expect the Catholic church or Catholic people in general to step in and do the governments job for them. What is the difference now? These people are terrorists who happen to be of the Islamic faith.Individuals are helpless against their tactics.We mustn't blame a whole religion for the acts of a few thousand fanatics.But I agree with you that people should report those imams who preach hate in the name of islam.And I also agree that if people find it difficult to live in a western country because of their religious morals then they should leave and go somewhere they will be happier.But sometimes there might be nowhere for them to go.That i guess is their problem though.

[BirKibrisli]

what us this thing with muslims lately???!!!!!!!

the western powers dont even take a look at their own history in order to understand that religions just make their circle.

the fact that islam turned to extremism, it due to the western powers arrogance, and actions.

What muslims are doing is to condemn terrorism and say 'islam is about peace' but in the end they do not take any action and they tolerate fanatic imams preaching for Jehad within their communities. Therefore every muslim who does not take action against terrorism is a terrorist

the same thing holds for every european or american who accepts racism. just claming i am not racist, and not taking any action against it then it makes u a racist... or not?

besides.... THE CYPRUS PROBLEM IS NOT A RELIGIOUS ONE.


actually if we really want to be honest, the gc priests did much more harm to cyprus (in spreading hate) than the tcs hotjas (how do u write that?).

(just for the record: ofcource those who attacked london, madrid and NY are terrorists)

Cypezokyli, I like your analogy with racism,any kind of fanatism is very difficult to fight effectively. People are not asking themselves this simple question:what makes young people who have everything to live for blow themselves up in order to make a point?What drives them to this kind of desperation?The Palestinians are doing it,Chechens are doing it,Saudi Arabians are doing it.These people's grivances are not religious,they are political.It is too easy to reduce everything to simply religion.

[cypezokyli]

hey Birkibrisli

But I agree with you that people should report those imams who preach hate in the name of islam.And I also agree that if people find it difficult to live in a western country because of their religious morals then they should leave and go somewhere they will be happier.But sometimes there might be nowhere for them to go.That i guess is their problem though.

thats a whole big question, which to be honest i didnt come to an answer yet.
a canadian professor i ve seen once said: integration does not exist, it is just the left wing word for assimilation.
i dont really know where my borders lie.

he gave an example of a 12 year old girl of some kind of religion which was simply excellent in math, physics etc. university education seemed a oneway street. suddenly she was brought out of schoohl to marry. he was a canadian citizen he couldnt accept that in his own country. on the other hand people should be allowed to keep their religion, customs and beliefs. or else is violation of human rights.
so i guess the answer is not clear.
nevertheless, as i guest one should respect the place that accepts him.

what makes young people who have everything to live for blow themselves up in order to make a point?What drives them to this kind of desperation?....These people's grivances are not religious,they are political.It is too easy to reduce everything to simply religion.

ofcource it is political.
but the compination with religion is more explosive.
in one way if someone dies for freedom or democracy...he is giving his life for something better, for some others.
if one believes that by killing and getting killed he will get the rewards in some other life, then... that is even egoistic.
thats why the west is volunarable. these people dont care if they die.
thats why the west should realise that bombs are not helping, only a better life.

[BirKibrisli]

Cypezokyli wrote

canadian professor i ve seen once said: integration does not exist, it is just the left wing word for assimilation.
i dont really know where my borders lie.

IMO there is a difference between integration and assimilation.With integration minorities are encouraged to keep those traditions which do not clash with those of the host society. In assimilation minorities are expected to simply melt into the host forgetting all about their own traditions and cultural values. Now in practice things are different,no minority can totally forget their traditions etc,so total assimilation is impossible imo.Maybe that is what the Prof was saying. But in western countries you cannot marry at 12 anyway,its against the law.So people should not go against the law of the country they live in.Here in Australia some Aboriginal people were convicted of rape or carnal knowledge for having sex with young girls who were promised to them in traditional ceremonies. The court threw out the tradition argument saying they only look at what law says. In other cases however Aboriginal tribal elders were allowed to dish out traditional punishments for common crimes to their young people.It is a fascinating area for me,adn drawing the line is always very difficult.I guess in the final analysis what is best for the society in general is the ultimate consideration.

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if one believes that by killing and getting killed he will get the rewards in some other life, then... that is even egoistic.
thats why the west is volunarable. these people dont care if they die.
thats why the west should realise that bombs are not helping, only a better life.

That is the key absolutely.Violence begets violence.Only by giving people a sense of justice and respect do you stop them from wanting to blow themselves up.Respect includes hope for the future,a job,prospect of happiness etc. But I also think there is room for religious education of the right kind.Young people should be able to see for themselves that it does not make sense to kill people and expect to be rewarded with 73 virgins or whatever in the next world.Where do they find these virgins in this day an age is beyond me,Cypezokyli!!!