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Postby BirKibrisli » Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:23 pm

Kifeas,
My family come from an small village near Paphos,if you remember,and it is true that in our region old people spoke Greek only.I remember helping my grandmother learn Turkish,but you are right,her first language remained Greek upto her death in 1972. I have not heard the GC claims you are talking about,but it makes sense that if this scientific study is true most of us have come from the same racial stock.In former Yugoslavia many slavs under the Ottomans converted to Islam for one reason or other,and hence the Bosnian nation came about.There is no reason to doubt that the same thing has not happened in Cyprus.

I also suspect that during the Ottoman rule there were a lot of intermariages between TCs and GCs,which were supressed under the British rule. As you know the British policy in Cyprus was "devide and conquer" so it didn't suit them to have one strong Cypriot nation under them.


As to why Denktash would want to suppress such a report,I think the reason is obvious. The same reason why TMT operatives would go around at dead of night painting anti-Turkish slogans in Greek and with blue paint on mosques in Cyprus.
Oh,brother Kifeas,please think of me when you next walk under a fig tree or a carob tree in the hills around Paphos.And if you go olive-picking remember to pick some for me :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Postby Kifeas » Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:29 pm

Birkibrisli wrote:Kifeas,
My family come from an small village near Paphos,if you remember,and it is true that in our region old people spoke Greek only.I remember helping my grandmother learn Turkish,but you are right,her first language remained Greek upto her death in 1972. I have not heard the GC claims you are talking about,but it makes sense that if this scientific study is true most of us have come from the same racial stock.In former Yugoslavia many slavs under the Ottomans converted to Islam for one reason or other,and hence the Bosnian nation came about.There is no reason to doubt that the same thing has not happened in Cyprus.

I also suspect that during the Ottoman rule there were a lot of intermariages between TCs and GCs,which were supressed under the British rule. As you know the British policy in Cyprus was "devide and conquer" so it didn't suit them to have one strong Cypriot nation under them.


As to why Denktash would want to suppress such a report,I think the reason is obvious. The same reason why TMT operatives would go around at dead of night painting anti-Turkish slogans in Greek and with blue paint on mosques in Cyprus.
Oh,brother Kifeas,please think of me when you next walk under a fig tree or a carob tree in the hills around Paphos.And if you go olive-picking remember to pick some for me :cry: :cry: :cry:


Birkibrisli,
What is the name of your village in Pafos and what age you left from it? What do you remember from Pafos?

I can go and make some digital photos and mail them to you of places that you would like to see how they look today.
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Postby BirKibrisli » Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:39 pm

Kifeas,
My village is called Istinco,and it is inland from Polis,near Melandra,Sarama and Zaharga.I was 17 when I left and I remember everything.People who have been there tell me the whole area has been razed to the ground.Only the fountain at the entrance of the village remains apparently.So it would probably not worth your visit.
But thank you for the offer,I am deeply touched.
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Postby Kifeas » Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:00 pm

Birkibrisli wrote:Kifeas,
My village is called Istinco,and it is inland from Polis,near Melandra,Sarama and Zaharga.I was 17 when I left and I remember everything.People who have been there tell me the whole area has been razed to the ground.Only the fountain at the entrance of the village remains apparently.So it would probably not worth your visit.
But thank you for the offer,I am deeply touched.


I feel very sorry for the situation that your village became of it. The real value of ones ancestral or family house or village is not financial but sentimental. It carries along it all the memories of ones childhood. It is true that a number of TC villages, mainly in the Pafos mountain areas, have been ruined either partially or in some cases almost completely. The reason for that to have happen was because they have not been inhabited by GC refugees after 1974, mainly due to their remote location and distance from bigger towns such as Pafos and Limassol. The same happened with a number of GC villages, which have been gradually abandoned by their inhabitants for a better living in the towns or abroad. Houses traditionally built in Cypriot villages of those days where usually made out of stones and adobe, which means that they needed constant (annual) maintenance in order to remain intact from erosion. If nobody decided to live inside and thus undertake their maintenance, it is no wander that after 30-40 years they were completely ruined or disappeared.

I know where your village is. It is actually called Kios. The name you said is a derivative which in Greek it reads "Is"-"Tin"-"Kios" ot Istinkios, which in English means "in/at the Kios." If someone asks you in Greek where do you go or where do you live, you will answer that you live "is tin Kios." It is the same like the name Istanbul which come from Greek "Is tin poli" =Istinpoli =Istanbul, which means "in/at the big town."

If you PM message me your e-mail, tomorrow you will have some photos of this place and the nearby villages. Did you go to school in Polis? Do you like to have a photo of any other places in polis or the nearby area?

I am waiting for your e-mail address.
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:50 pm

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Kifeas wrote:
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Kifeas wrote:“Politis” GC newspaper today (30/08/05) provides a very short news piece of an article that was published in yesterdays “Yeni Duzen” TC newspaper, regarding a research by a Turkish genetics engineer, Erol Baisal, who claims that he contacted a research about 15 years ago and found that the DNA genes of GCs and TCs are very close, almost identical between them and certainly much more close than the corresponding genes of the mainland Greeks and Turks. He also mentions that he presented this research to Mr. Rauf Denktash and Mr. Eroglou who conveniently locked it into their drawers and asked the scientist not say anything about it.

Does anyone have read this article from Yeni Duzen and could possibly give us some more insight as to what has been written?


So? what are you getting at? if our genes are similar we should live happily ever after, far from it we have the same stubborness that will ensure we continue going in different directions.



Viewpoint!
What is your problem?
According to your father Rauf Denktash, you are not a Cypriot.
Only the donkeys are Cypriots!

Ideologically you are not a Cypriot. Ideologically you can never become a Cypriot. Ideologically you are a Turk born in Cyprus who has also taken an oath on kemal Atatürk’s grave to work all your life in order to achieve Taxim and make north Cyprus a part of Turkey or a purely separate independed Turkish state.

Your ideology makes you an enemy of the true Cypriots. You are an instrument of the Turkish deep state establishment that aspires to maintain Cyprus as its military back yard and perpetuate to eternity its military domination on Cyprus, for strategic reasons.

You are no different than those few GCs that still aspire union of Cyprus with Greece. Both of you are two sides of the same coin and both of you are enemies of Cyprus and the true Cypriots. You are a fake Cypriot!


Are you well Kifeas? or are you having mental problems??

I am just as, maybe even more Cypriot than you, you have no right to condemn me to the contrary which only reveals your extremist tendancies. You know nothing about me and you do not care to challenge yourself to go outside of your own blinkered vision to try and understand that there are many viewpoints which are not the same as yours these do not make others less or more Cypriot.
Reality Kifeas will hit you sooner or later, just wait and keep waiting for your ideologies to develop, you have your life time to wait.


Viewpoint!
What ideologies and green horses are you talking about?
You have proven time and time again in this forum that you regard only the north of Cyprus as your home country. You have proven time and time again that you regard only the TCs as your compatriots. You have proven time and time again that you despise, dislike, resent and even hate the 82% of the Cypriots. You have proven time and time again that you consider more kin to you the mainland Turkish people than the 82% of Cypriots.

How can someone claim to be a Cypriot if they consider only the north 35% of Cyprus as their country, they consider the 82% of Cypriots not to be their compatriots, they consider that the 82% of Cypriots should not have human rights in the 35% of the north Cyprus and that their properties do not belong to them, nor they should have the right to exist physically and politically in that part of their country?


This is what you cannot see, that for 31 years TCs have lived in the TRNC recognized or not they have regarded it home where they are not persecuted or discriminated against by GCs and where they can feel safe and live in Peace. The partnership we had in the past only brings back bad memories we never were allowed to feel a part of the whole of Cyprus, the older generation may feel like you but for me the TRNC is mine until we decide otherwise. This for you is difficult to understand because you feel that the whole of Cyprus is yours and that we are a minority and should act as one. We also accept that GC have the right to live here as well so the if we cannot live together which we have proven time and time again then we have to live side by side, this ensures the safety not only of my community but also yours. You are a materialist who protrays the typical GC who crys land land land and more land, the ancestral homes angel is bullshit. All you cry for is the valuable land you left behind in the north and that you can no longer get your hands on , you cry for millions of Cyprus pounds it would be worth today and how wealthy it would have made you. Your every arguement is related to properties and confirms exactly what your true intentions are.
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Postby Main_Source » Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:28 pm

oh look...Viewpoint see's a GC and TC getting along and both reminiscing about land that belongs to them...and he starts to panic.

VP, its people like you who caused this probelm and wanted to cause division amongst Cypriots.
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Postby Greekmaniac » Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:11 pm

Main_Source wrote:oh look...Viewpoint see's a GC and TC getting along and both reminiscing about land that belongs to them...and he starts to panic.

VP, its people like you who caused this probelm and wanted to cause division amongst Cypriots.


That study doesnt mean anything if you take any place in the world the DNA will differ , Im sure the DNA of the Crete people also differs from the mainland does that make them any less Greek?

You people need a shot of reality wars and differences have been happening for 5000 years , but you want to dance in a circle and be friends because of one DNA test , Viewpoint your right I want my land back and you are a minority in Cyprus , that doesnt make you any less than anyone else or give you less rights, the problem is you want special treatment because your a minority , id rather build a wall then live under your rules.
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:42 pm

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oh look...Viewpoint see's a GC and TC getting along and both reminiscing about land that belongs to them...and he starts to panic.

VP, its people like you who caused this probelm and wanted to cause division amongst Cypriots.


Are our communities getting on? inviduals can be the best of friends but dont forget we do not live or work together and we have our own sides of the island to return to. I dont see things changing do you??

Or was it fanatics and loud mouths like you who did everything possible to turn Cyprus into an ethnically cleansed Greek island.

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Viewpoint your right I want my land back and you are a minority in Cyprus , that doesnt make you any less than anyone else or give you less rights, the problem is you want special treatment because your a minority , id rather build a wall then live under your rules.


Im no longer a minority in Northern Cyprus and cannot be relegated to a minority in my own country under any solution, those years have passed. We have a special situation we are 2 communities in Cyprus thats why we need special treatment to avoid the shit of the past becasue GCs are not trustworthy people and we need precautionary measures that will insure they do not have the opportunity of reducing our community into a minority status in our own country, never forget we once ruled Cyprus not like minorities in other countries, add to this the constitution of 1960 which was gave TCs special privilidges imo and many TCs we deserve special treatment.

If you want your land back then you have to agree a comprehensive solution.

As for building a wall be my guest we already have boarders = walls but if you want brick walls talk to Papadop Im sure he will agree with you :wink:
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Postby Agios Amvrosios » Wed Aug 31, 2005 12:53 am

"This was normal and expected," said Dr Baysal," and could be explained by the fact that Cyprus was an island community".


here in australia we have the same joke about incestual Tasmanian islanders. Parents being brother and sister et cetera.
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Postby Greekmaniac » Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:46 am

Viewpoint wrote:Main_Source
oh look...Viewpoint see's a GC and TC getting along and both reminiscing about land that belongs to them...and he starts to panic.

VP, its people like you who caused this probelm and wanted to cause division amongst Cypriots.


Are our communities getting on? inviduals can be the best of friends but dont forget we do not live or work together and we have our own sides of the island to return to. I dont see things changing do you??

Or was it fanatics and loud mouths like you who did everything possible to turn Cyprus into an ethnically cleansed Greek island.

Greekmaniac
Viewpoint your right I want my land back and you are a minority in Cyprus , that doesnt make you any less than anyone else or give you less rights, the problem is you want special treatment because your a minority , id rather build a wall then live under your rules.


Im no longer a minority in Northern Cyprus and cannot be relegated to a minority in my own country under any solution, those years have passed. We have a special situation we are 2 communities in Cyprus thats why we need special treatment to avoid the shit of the past becasue GCs are not trustworthy people and we need precautionary measures that will insure they do not have the opportunity of reducing our community into a minority status in our own country, never forget we once ruled Cyprus not like minorities in other countries, add to this the constitution of 1960 which was gave TCs special privilidges imo and many TCs we deserve special treatment.

If you want your land back then you have to agree a comprehensive solution.

As for building a wall be my guest we already have boarders = walls but if you want brick walls talk to Papadop Im sure he will agree with you :wink:


The constitution of 1960 was designed by the british for the Turks you can obey that, not me.

I like to refer to the 1923 treaty which Turkey signed that they have no claim to Cyprus , the problem was Turkey should have taken all of you back to the mainland.
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