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[Kikapu]

Is this documentary a Propaganda or the real thing?

Although Turkey did not join the war against Hitler's Fascist regime in the WWII, Turkey was hardly neutral throughout that war, when a lot of trade that went between Germany and Turkey, that at worse, it indirectly supported the Fascist Regime's war against the Jews and Europe. Once it was a determined that Germany will lose the war in the dying days of WWII, is when Turkey joined the Allies to defeat Hitler, no doubt to make sure she was on the winning side of history for a change, unlike what happened in WWI where Turkey ended up losing so much. Even though Turkey did not really help to defeat Nazi Germany during that long war where so many other countries sacrificed everything to defeat the Nazis, I just find it a little strange that this documentary is produced at a time when there are frictions between Israel and Turkey, when for the last 65 year so many other films were made on the subject regarding the Jews in the hands of the Nazis, "Turkish Passport" story remained silent.


The Turkish Passport - Trailer (Documentary)

[EricSeans]

Speaking of this, during WW2 my father flew Halifaxes and Liberator bombers and although they were supposed to avoid neutral Turkish airspace, he said they often flew over on a short cut and the Turks turned a blind eye to them.

When he joined the RAF in 1940, there was a class of Turkish Air Force recruits being given pilot training at RAF Cranwell in Lincolnshire.

[Kikapu]

Speaking of this, during WW2 my father flew Halifaxes and Liberator bombers and although they were supposed to avoid neutral Turkish airspace, he said they often flew over on a short cut and the Turks turned a blind eye to them.

When he joined the RAF in 1940, there was a class of Turkish Air Force recruits being given pilot training at RAF Cranwell in Lincolnshire.

Eric,

Perhaps in 1940 the Allies were hoping Turkey would be on their side as the war would intensify, but instead, Turkey waited until few months before Hitler's destined defeat in 1945 for her to come out of her "neutrality" position !

[Pyrpolizer]

Is this documentary a Propaganda or the real thing?

Although Turkey did not join the war against Hitler's Fascist regime in the WWII, Turkey was hardly neutral throughout that war, when a lot of trade that went between Germany and Turkey, that at worse, it indirectly supported the Fascist Regime's war against the Jews and Europe. Once it was a determined that Germany will lose the war in the dying days of WWII, is when Turkey joined the Allies to defeat Hitler, no doubt to make sure she was on the winning side of history for a change, unlike what happened in WWI where Turkey ended up losing so much. Even though Turkey did not really help to defeat Nazi Germany during that long war where so many other countries sacrificed everything to defeat the Nazis, I just find it a little strange that this documentary is produced at a time when there are frictions between Israel and Turkey, when for the last 65 year so many other films were made on the subject regarding the Jews in the hands of the Nazis, "Turkish Passport" story remained silent.

Did it really remain silent? I personally knew that may Jews found refuge in Turkey...
I don't know if Turkey did that for humanitarian reasons or for financial reasons.
The fact is after Turkey lost the Greek bankers in 1922 Ataturk was almost begging them to come back...

As for the documentary itself, perhaps there is no linkage to politics. Turkey has advanced tremendously in making quality movies, in fact it gets more Oscars than Greece.Last year I watched Uzak (distant) and Mayis Sikintisi (clouds of May) and I found them both very good.Also Turks living in Germany produce excellent quality movies e.g Gegen Die Wand(Head On),Auf Der Anderen Seite (The Edge of Heaven) etc

So perhaps the documentary has more to do with arts than politics.

[Kikapu]

Is this documentary a Propaganda or the real thing?

Although Turkey did not join the war against Hitler's Fascist regime in the WWII, Turkey was hardly neutral throughout that war, when a lot of trade that went between Germany and Turkey, that at worse, it indirectly supported the Fascist Regime's war against the Jews and Europe. Once it was a determined that Germany will lose the war in the dying days of WWII, is when Turkey joined the Allies to defeat Hitler, no doubt to make sure she was on the winning side of history for a change, unlike what happened in WWI where Turkey ended up losing so much. Even though Turkey did not really help to defeat Nazi Germany during that long war where so many other countries sacrificed everything to defeat the Nazis, I just find it a little strange that this documentary is produced at a time when there are frictions between Israel and Turkey, when for the last 65 year so many other films were made on the subject regarding the Jews in the hands of the Nazis, "Turkish Passport" story remained silent.

Did it really remain silent? I personally knew that may Jews found refuge in Turkey...
I don't know if Turkey did that for humanitarian reasons or for financial reasons.
The fact is after Turkey lost the Greek bankers in 1922 Ataturk was almost begging them to come back...

As for the documentary itself, perhaps there is no linkage to politics. Turkey has advanced tremendously in making quality movies, in fact it gets more Oscars than Greece.Last year I watched Uzak (distant) and Mayis Sikintisi (clouds of May) and I found them both very good.Also Turks living in Germany produce excellent quality movies e.g Gegen Die Wand(Head On),Auf Der Anderen Seite (The Edge of Heaven) etc

So perhaps the documentary has more to do with arts than politics.

Pyro,

I'm certain some Jews were helped by Turkey to escape the Nazis, although as I understand it, they were mainly "Turkish Jews" who were saved, as well as some other Jews also. I also do not dispute the quality of the documentary or it's content and take the director's /producer's claim that they had researched it for 6 years before making the documentary (I watched them discussing it on a Turkish Channel recently), although I have not seen the documentary yet. I'm just curios to know how much politics played part in making this documentary now and not in the past 65 years. Only recently a wanted Israeli was handed over to Turkey by the "trnc" to be sent back to Israel few weeks ago. I'm not certain he has been sent to Israel yet, or is Turkey waiting for the Israeli apology first. The north is full of wanted criminal individuals, but they walk around in complete freedom, unless their usefulness is no longer needed, just like Gary Robb.

[Pyrpolizer]

I see your point Kiks. But as you know there are only a handful of Kibrislis participating here, as for Turks I think there's currently none, let aside finding anyone who sees beyond his nose. So I don't think you will get any answers...

[denizaksulu]

İn the Woking cemetary, there are the graves of about 20/21 Turkish airmen who died flying for the RAF. They lie next to my grndparnts and some of the prince and princesses of the Ottoman dynasty.

[Kikapu]

İn the Woking cemetary, there are the graves of about 20/21 Turkish airmen who died flying for the RAF. They lie next to my grndparnts and some of the prince and princesses of the Ottoman dynasty.

May they rest in Peace, specially if they were fighting against Nazi Germany at the time. No doubt Turkey stayed on the sidelines by keeping one foot in and one foot out with the Allies and Nazi Germany, while waiting to see which way victory was going to take place, and as soon as it was becoming evident that the Allies were going to be victorious, Turkey jumped with both feet on to the Allies side.

Btw, when I asked the question in my original post whether this documentary was a "propaganda or the real thing", I really meant to say whether it was just "Political or the real thing". Sorry for the confusion.

[Jerry]

İn the Woking cemetary, there are the graves of about 20/21 Turkish airmen who died flying for the RAF. They lie next to my grndparnts and some of the prince and princesses of the Ottoman dynasty.

Turkish or Turkish Cypriot Deniz? Quite a few GC immigrants to the UK pre 1939 joined up (I think they had to). I imagine a few TCs did as well.

[denizaksulu]

İn the Woking cemetary, there are the graves of about 20/21 Turkish airmen who died flying for the RAF. They lie next to my grndparnts and some of the prince and princesses of the Ottoman dynasty.

Turkish or Turkish Cypriot Deniz? Quite a few GC immigrants to the UK pre 1939 joined up (I think they had to). I imagine a few TCs did as well.

I would have loved to say they were Cypriot Jerry.