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[Khan]

Sorry, i'm still failing to see a point of your post. Other than give us a lesson in history, tell us Turkish lands are Greek, and rant about Turks in general, do you have any point at all?

[Greekmaniac]

Sorry, i'm still failing to see a point of your post. Other than give us a lesson in history, tell us Turkish lands are Greek, and rant about Turks in general, do you have any point at all?

Ye exactly the type of answer I expected , when your ready to answer the questions truthfully we can continue this until then have a nice day.

[faruk]

Khan,
I think the wrong person here is you because you are arguing with a maniac of an issue who can not evaluate the subject in healty way. so let him live in his artificial world and relax.

[sadik]

I was thinking of asking the Turks how to do it they managed to remove over 2million Greeks from the same area.

Greekmaniac,

Exchange of population was something that was agreed upon by Greece and Turkey. Like Turkey, Greece was also trying to build a homogeneous nation-state. Both countries wanted to reduce the size of minorities and to increase their population. Both countries more than welcomed the idea. If this is evil, then its on the shoulders of both the countries. The exchange of population is clearly an outcome of the nationalist ideology, Greek or Turkish the same.

[cypezokyli]

The exchange of population is clearly an outcome of the nationalist ideology, Greek or Turkish the same

exactly

[cmantas_liberal]

i read something interesting @ http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/a ... p#comments


The author, who is American, says =The Armenian genocide was not so much an effort to exterminate a particular ethnic group as much as it was an effort to exterminate a religion, Christianity. If the Armenians were Muslims, the genocide would not have happened. The genocide of 1915 was a genocide of Christians. It was the last major attempt of the Islamic Empire to extinguish the remnants of the Christian civilization in the lands that the Moslem jihad inspired conquerers had taken in the 15th century from the Christian Romans who lost their capital, Constantinople, to the savage Muslim horde in 1453. The three-day orgy of murder, rape and pillage perpetrated by the Muslims who fell upon Constantinople was not the first major Christian genocide perpetrated by Muslims and the Christian genocide of 1915 was not the last, e.g., Darfur, Irian Jaya, East Timor, Biafra, etc.

Maybe the whole Muslim world would have to apologize for its crimes. The Pope aplogized for the crusades in 1204 and much more but i ve ever heard any muslim leader apologizing officially for 9-11., which is just one of the many muslim crimes throughout history.

see also http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/c ... 0202.shtml

[sadik]

Maybe the whole Muslim world would have to apologize for its crimes. The Pope aplogized for the crusades in 1204 and much more but i ve ever heard any muslim leader apologizing officially for 9-11., which is just one of the many muslim crimes throughout history.

Why would a Muslim leader alologize "officially" for 9-11, especially if they have nothing to do with it? Crusades were directly organized by the Pope, and he is 1000 years late to apologize to Muslims and to Orthodox Christians.

America should also apologize for 9-11, because they are the ones who tried to export Islamic fundamentalism to the world to counter the spread of socialism. They are the ones who tried to create a "Green Belt" of fundamentalist Islamic countries around the Soviet Union to isolate the communists. They are the ones who got Bin Laden family by giving them Nato contracts. Fundamentalist Suadi regime is supported by the US. Fundamentalist Kuwait regime is supported by the US. They supported Islamists in Pakistan, Afganistan against communit and/or secular powers. The biggest financer of Islamic fundamentalists was Aramco, the Arab American oil company.

I think the concept of responsibility is very clear in western thinking. You are not responsible for something that you did not do or had no power to interfere/stop. In this respect, you are worse than G. Bush, because you are holding everyone responsible.

Islamic terrorism in the West a relatively new thing. If you compare the attacks in Europe by organizations such as IRA, Eta, etc., the number of attacks by Islamic terrorists is minute. But it is difficult making politics without an enemy, so thanks god they found one. On the other hand Islamic fundamentalism is a big problem for some countries with Muslim populations thanks to anti-communist policies of the cold war and the ever increasing social injustice in the world. The answer is social justice in the world, secularism and democracy, not a constitution based on religion like what's being supported by Americans in Iraq.

[cypezokyli]

well said sadik

[cmantas_liberal]

The pope apologized on behalf of the christian world including the ecomenical patriarch. What the muslims did was to either support A.Q. or be neutral. Like i ve said again, no imam or member of the muslim community in Britain bothered to report on the police for the nazi preaching in the Mosques in London. Christianity's crimes after 1800 are minor comparing to the crimes of the Muslmis and still.... no muslim has apologized. 9-11 had no excuse and since the Muslim world does not apolizes for the death of innocent ppl in NYC,madrid,Balih,Philipines,Indonesia,London and anywhere else, they will be co-guilty with A.Q.

It would be interesting to read the link that i gave ya for Indonesia and another one that i put on the topic 'human rights in greece' for the sharia law in the muslim minority in Thrace.

All other religions and atheists have move ahead while Muslims are still stuck in mohamed the peadophile (see http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/33.htm) and on the quoran.

So, the problem is not only with turkey but with the whole muslim world.

[sadik]

The pope apologized on behalf of the christian world including the ecomenical patriarch. What the muslims did was to either support A.Q. or be neutral.

What do you base this claim on? For example, my observation is that A.Q. is deeply hated in Turkey.

Like i ve said again, no imam or member of the muslim community in Britain bothered to report on the police for the nazi preaching in the Mosques in London.

I do not believe this. Authorities were aware of the level of religios fanaticism in some of the Mosques prior to attacks. In the UK, each mosque belongs to a different community. It's usally seperate mosques for Turks, Arabs, Pakistanis and each nation has different sects, groups, etc... You cannot put them all in the same category.

Christianity's crimes after 1800 are minor comparing to the crimes of the Muslmis and still.... no muslim has apologized. 9-11 had no excuse and since the Muslim world does not apolizes for the death of innocent ppl in NYC,madrid,Balih,Philipines,Indonesia,London and anywhere else, they will be co-guilty with A.Q.

It's impossible to make such a comparison, but if you do are you considering the crimes of the British and American imperialists and European colonial powers against the people of the Middle East in particular and the people of the world in general?

It would be interesting to read the link that i gave ya for Indonesia and another one that i put on the topic 'human rights in greece' for the sharia law in the muslim minority in Thrace.

I will read those links... I'm not aware of the situation in Greece. But I can tell you this, the most modern part of Turkey is Turkish part of Thrace. If the same people in Greece is falling into religious fataticism, Greek government should try to find out why...

So, the problem is not only with turkey but with the whole muslim world.

Islam is a religion like every other religion. It has some things that make sense in it, and some that does not make any sense at all under literal interpretation. As peoples education and economic level increase they start to disregard things that make no sense and focus on personal aspects of religions. The rising fundementalism is in essence a reflection of other problems, such as poverty, injustice, etc...