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[Kifeas]

First of all being a citizen doesnt make you a conspirator too a crime that occured 400 years ago. I was not born and am here only temporarily.
I will return too my native country of Greece , the island of Cyprus all the same to me.

You know the term Cyprus is Greek is wrong thak you for pointing that out , Cyprus is Greece , the Isalnd needs to be united with the mainland as a state just like Crete , and yes its UN and EU status should be dissolved and join Greece. The only reason this has not happened is because of a people that denies its roots like you, a foreign policy that looks to reward Turkey and punish all hellenes , an illegal constitution that was forced on the people of Cyprus .

Explain this to me after the Ottoman occupation the Greeks on the mainland had a goal for freedom and the unification of all Greek lands under occupation slowly this has happened and we are still struggling for this (at least those that know there history and roots and have the heart to fight).

I would also like to know what the national anthem is being that Cyprus is an independant country with its own flag and constitution?

How big do you want Greece to become? Should it also include the entire Anatolia peninsula, the coasts of the black sea up to Russia and Ukraine, all the Balkans since they once were parts of the Byzantine empire, up to Egypt and Persia since Alexander the Great once conquered them, include south Italy since it was called the "Magna Grecia" and there are still Greek speaking people living there?

the Isalnd needs to be united with the mainland as a state just like Crete ,

Who decites what needs to be done and what not? Is this some devine need that has to be fullfilled?

and yes its UN and EU status should be dissolved and join Greece.

And why isn't it better to have two separate states instead of one? Will the Greek Cypriots cease to exist from Cyprus if it stays as a separate country with a separate voice in the international forums and bodys? Will the Greek Cypriots become less of Greeks in their traditions and language, if Cyprus retains it's independed status?

The only reason this has not happened is because of a people that denies its roots like you, a foreign policy that looks to reward Turkey and punish all hellenes , an illegal constitution that was forced on the people of Cyprus .

You better ask Konstantinos Karamanlis and his then foreign minister Averof to explain to you the reasons why it didn't happen. They are the ones who negotiated the constitution with Zurlu and Inonou and imposed it on us in 1959.

Anyway my friend, you are probably a young chap, nothing wrong with it, but who unfortunatelly feels that by learnning only a few things in life (some of them the wrong way,) beilives that all of suddently discovered the apple pie.

It is nice to be idealist but up to certain limits. Beyond that you only head towards self distraction and then you loose the opportunity to materialise even those moderate and noble ideas that you could otherwise have achieved.

[Greekmaniac]

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How big do you want Greece to become? Should it also include the entire Anatolia peninsula, the coasts of the black sea up to Russia and Ukraine, all the Balkans since they once were parts of the Byzantine empire, up to Egypt and Persia since Alexander the Great once conquered them, include south Italy since it was called the "Magna Grecia" and there are still Greek speaking people living there?

the Isalnd needs to be united with the mainland as a state just like Crete ,

Who decites what needs to be done and what not? Is this some devine need that has to be fullfilled?

and yes its UN and EU status should be dissolved and join Greece.

And why isn't it better to have two separate states instead of one? Will the Greek Cypriots cease to exist from Cyprus if it stays as a separate country with a separate voice in the international forums and bodys? Will the Greek Cypriots become less of Greeks in their traditions and language, if Cyprus retains it's independed status?

The only reason this has not happened is because of a people that denies its roots like you, a foreign policy that looks to reward Turkey and punish all hellenes , an illegal constitution that was forced on the people of Cyprus .

You better ask Konstantinos Karamanlis and his then foreign minister Averof to explain to you the reasons why it didn't happen. They are the ones who negotiated the constitution with Zurlu and Inonou and imposed it on us in 1959.

Anyway my friend, you are probably a young chap, nothing wrong with it, but who unfortunatelly feels that by learnning only a few things in life (some of them the wrong way,) beilives that all of suddently discovered the apple pie.

It is nice to be idealist but up to certain limits. Beyond that you only head towards self distraction and then you loose the opportunity to materialise even those moderate and noble ideas that you could otherwise have achieved.[/quote]

Greece should consist of Cyprus and the Anatolian peninsula.
Let me ask you this should we have stopped in 1821 at just mainland Greece ,or continue to free Macedonia , or maybe Crete , we will stop when the Greek lands that had a majority Greek population at the time of the Ottoman conquests. Listen Alexander the Great was a conquerer and Greeks or at least me do not claim that those countries are Greek so please answer the questions without putting words in my mouth and making me out to be some kind of evil nationalistic Greek who hates everyone.

The people should decide if we shall unite with Greece and at one time there was a vote conducted and the majority picked Enosis and brave people died for that cause , and were later betrayed by certain politicians.
I never said Karamanlis was a patriot he was a sell out just like Makarios, politicians dont necessarily represent the people as you nshould know.

Please dont assume Im a young chap , facts need to be part of your argument if to be taken seriously , at the same time trying to give your point of view credibility based solely on age , and being idealistic is not necessarilly a young persons trait , I have certain beliefs and so do you Im willing to discuss them , at the same time the majority rules and if all Cyprians can come to a conclusion I will back it without a fight or bitterness but we dont seem to agree making us both right and wrong in our own oppinion. Give me the respect you expect.

[Kifeas]

Greekmaniac, where are you originally from?

[Greekmaniac]

Greekmaniac, where are you originally from?

Born in Australia , father from peloponese , mother from limassol

[Khan]

So how will Greece force Turks out of Anatolia exactly?

[Kifeas]

So how will Greece force Turks out of Anatolia exactly?

Who claims that there is such an issue at stake?

[Khan]

Greece should consist of Cyprus and the Anatolian peninsula.

His made his view clear that Turks are "occupying" Greek land and it belongs to Greece, so i am asking him how he propose this be done.

[Greekmaniac]

Greece should consist of Cyprus and the Anatolian peninsula.

His made his view clear that Turks are "occupying" Greek land and it belongs to Greece, so i am asking him how he propose this be done.

I was thinking of asking the Turks how to do it they managed to remove over 2million Greeks from the same area.

[Khan]

I can tell you how, through the population exchange agreed upon by the Treaty of Lausanne. 750,000 Greeks left the new Turkish Republic and 600,000 Turks left Greece.

My point is foret about the Megali idea, the Byzantine Empire and all that rubbish, they are all over and done with. Accept the realities and make constructive changes so their no repeat of the past.

[Greekmaniac]

I can tell you how, through the population exchange agreed upon by the Treaty of Lausanne. 750,000 Greeks left the new Turkish Republic and 600,000 Turks left Greece.

My point is foret about the Megali idea, the Byzantine Empire and all that rubbish, they are all over and done with. Accept the realities and make constructive changes.

Sure lets talk about constructive changes that would be real convenient after the crimes that have been commited , the genocide that has never been admitted too , the illegal occupation of land that you refuse to leave , have you been talking to Annan because thats what his plan is to forgive and reward the criminal.

Turkey wont even recognize Cyprus as a European nation, look at your own dirty laundry then we can move on.