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[Kifeas]

How can i give a logical answer to someone who claims Turks "occupied" Greek lands. The very lands they held for 600 years and which Greece opportunistically invaded for some crazy Megali idea. The very same crazy idea which screwed Cyprus over. It looks like you should be the one learning from your mistakes.

Turkey did not occupy any Greek lands in Cyprus. Turkey illegally occupies CYPRIOT lands from which it forced out their indigenous /millenniums long, Greek speaking Cypriot owners. Turkey did not hold any Cypriot lands for 600 years, because Turkey as a Nation State exists only for the last 80 years. The Ottomans occupied Cyprus by force for only 300 years (1570-1878.) The only real owners of Cyprus are it’s indigenous inhabitants, the Cypriots!

[Khan]

How can i give a logical answer to someone who claims Turks "occupied" Greek lands. The very lands they held for 600 years and which Greece opportunistically invaded for some crazy Megali idea. The very same crazy idea which screwed Cyprus over. It looks like you should be the one learning from your mistakes.

Turkey did not occupy any Greek lands in Cyprus. Turkey illegally occupies CYPRIOT lands from which it forced out their indigenous /millenniums long, Greek speaking Cypriot owners. Turkey did not hold any Cypriot lands for 600 years, because Turkey as a Nation State exists only for the last 80 years. The Ottomans occupied Cyprus by force for only 300 years (1570-1878.) The only real owners of Cyprus are it’s indigenous inhabitants, the Cypriots!

Maniacs article was referring to the 1922 population exchange of Asia Minor, which as i said, had been Turkish for 600 years.

[Greekmaniac]

The only real owners of Cyprus are it’s indigenous inhabitants, the Cypriots!

You must be reading the same history books as Turks, let me help:

There are but scanty traces of the Stone Age, but the Bronze Age is characterized by a well-developed and clearly marked civilization. The people early learned to work the rich copper mines of the island. The Mycenæan civilization of the West seems to have reached the island around 1600 B.C. The Greek and Phœnician settlements belong to the Iron Age. The island was invaded by Thothmes III of Egypt about 1500 B.C., and was forced to pay tribute. Around 1200 B.C. we observe the massive arrival of the Mycenaean Greeks as permanent settlers to Cyprus, a process that lasted for more than a century. This migration is remembered in many sagas rehearsing how some of the Greek heroes that participated in the Trojan war came to settle in Cyprus. The newcomers brought with them their language, their advanced technology and introduced a new outlook for visual arts. Thus from 1220 B.C. Cyprus has remained predominantly Greek in culture, language and population despite various influences resulting from successive conquests. In ancient times Cyprus supplied the rest of the Greeks with timber for their fleets.

In the sixth century B.C., Amasis of Egypt conquered Cyprus, which soon fell under the rule of the Persians when Cambyses conquered Egypt. In the Persian empire, Cyprus formed part of the fifth satrapy and in addition to tribute it had to supply the Persians with ships and crews. In their new fate the Greeks of Cyprus had as companions the Greeks of Ionia (west coast of Asia Minor - now Turkey) with whom they forged closer ties. When the Ionian Greeks revolted against Persia (499 BC) the Cypriots except for Amathus, joined in at the instigation of Onesilos, brother of the king of Salamis, whom he dethroned for not wanting to fight for independence. The Persians reacted quickly sending a considerable force against Onesilos. They won despite Ionian help.

After the Persian defeat, the Greeks mounted various expeditions against Cyprus in order to liberate it from the Persian yoke, but all their efforts bore only temporary results. Alexander the Great (356-323 B.C.) finally liberated the island from the Persians. Later, the Greek rulers of Egypt controlled it, then Rome annexed it in 58-57 BC. No doubt the most important event that occurred in Roman Cyprus is the visit by Apostles Paul and Barnabas having with them St Mark who came to the island at the outset of their first missionary journey in 45 AD. After their arrival at Salamis they proceeded to Paphos where they converted the Roman Governor Sergius Paulus to Christianity. In this way Cyprus became the first country in the world to be governed by a Christian ruler.

Cyprus became part of the Byzantine Empire after the partitioning of the Roman Empire in 395 and remained so for almost nine centuries. The Arabs pillaged the island in 646. In 654 the second Arab invasion took place that devastated the island again. Cyprus was finally liberated by Byzantine Emperor Nicephorus Phokas in 965. In 1191 King Richard I of England captured the island on his way to the Holy Land. Guy of Lusignan took possession of the island in 1192. The Republic of Venice took control in 1489, after which the Ottomans took control in 1570. Cyprus was placed under British control on June 4, 1878 as a result of the Cyprus Convention. Famagusta harbor was completed in June, 1906. Cyprus was ceded to the United Kingdom in 1913. It gained independent status in 1960.


Map of CyprusFor centuries the Greek population, regarding Greece as its mother country, has sought self-determination and union with Greece (enosis). The resulting quarrel with Turkey threatened NATO. Cyprus became an independent nation on Aug. 16, 1960, with Britain, Greece, and Turkey as guarantor powers.

[Kifeas]

The only real owners of Cyprus are it’s indigenous inhabitants, the Cypriots!

You must be reading the same history books as Turks, let me help:

There are but scanty traces of the Stone Age, but the Bronze Age is characterized by a well-developed and clearly marked civilization. The people early learned to work the rich copper mines of the island. The Mycenæan civilization of the West seems to have reached the island around 1600 B.C. The Greek and Phœnician settlements belong to the Iron Age. The island was invaded by Thothmes III of Egypt about 1500 B.C., and was forced to pay tribute. Around 1200 B.C. we observe the massive arrival of the Mycenaean Greeks as permanent settlers to Cyprus, a process that lasted for more than a century. This migration is remembered in many sagas rehearsing how some of the Greek heroes that participated in the Trojan war came to settle in Cyprus. The newcomers brought with them their language, their advanced technology and introduced a new outlook for visual arts. Thus from 1220 B.C. Cyprus has remained predominantly Greek in culture, language and population despite various influences resulting from successive conquests. In ancient times Cyprus supplied the rest of the Greeks with timber for their fleets.

In the sixth century B.C., Amasis of Egypt conquered Cyprus, which soon fell under the rule of the Persians when Cambyses conquered Egypt. In the Persian empire, Cyprus formed part of the fifth satrapy and in addition to tribute it had to supply the Persians with ships and crews. In their new fate the Greeks of Cyprus had as companions the Greeks of Ionia (west coast of Asia Minor - now Turkey) with whom they forged closer ties. When the Ionian Greeks revolted against Persia (499 BC) the Cypriots except for Amathus, joined in at the instigation of Onesilos, brother of the king of Salamis, whom he dethroned for not wanting to fight for independence. The Persians reacted quickly sending a considerable force against Onesilos. They won despite Ionian help.

After the Persian defeat, the Greeks mounted various expeditions against Cyprus in order to liberate it from the Persian yoke, but all their efforts bore only temporary results. Alexander the Great (356-323 B.C.) finally liberated the island from the Persians. Later, the Greek rulers of Egypt controlled it, then Rome annexed it in 58-57 BC. No doubt the most important event that occurred in Roman Cyprus is the visit by Apostles Paul and Barnabas having with them St Mark who came to the island at the outset of their first missionary journey in 45 AD. After their arrival at Salamis they proceeded to Paphos where they converted the Roman Governor Sergius Paulus to Christianity. In this way Cyprus became the first country in the world to be governed by a Christian ruler.

Cyprus became part of the Byzantine Empire after the partitioning of the Roman Empire in 395 and remained so for almost nine centuries. The Arabs pillaged the island in 646. In 654 the second Arab invasion took place that devastated the island again. Cyprus was finally liberated by Byzantine Emperor Nicephorus Phokas in 965. In 1191 King Richard I of England captured the island on his way to the Holy Land. Guy of Lusignan took possession of the island in 1192. The Republic of Venice took control in 1489, after which the Ottomans took control in 1570. Cyprus was placed under British control on June 4, 1878 as a result of the Cyprus Convention. Famagusta harbor was completed in June, 1906. Cyprus was ceded to the United Kingdom in 1913. It gained independent status in 1960.


Map of CyprusFor centuries the Greek population, regarding Greece as its mother country, has sought self-determination and union with Greece (enosis). The resulting quarrel with Turkey threatened NATO. Cyprus became an independent nation on Aug. 16, 1960, with Britain, Greece, and Turkey as guarantor powers.

After you manage to read one book more than the about 100 books relating to Cyprus and its history, that I have read, then you may come here to teach me the history of my country.

What is your argument anyway?

[Greekmaniac]

What is your argument anyway?

Since you have read 100 books i would like some titles of these books explaining to me how Cyprus is a nation of it own before 1960 , and why do the people of Cyprus even after 300 years of Ottoman occupation emerge speaking Greek and have in common many of the Greek rituals.

Sparta was at war with Athens, are the Spartans Greek? , please enlighten me , help me figure out why Crete is considered part of Greece they have a similar history , and were joined with mainland Greece the same with many other Greek islands , the difference being the population of these islands never rejected there heritage. I see the propoganda of the British in the 40s -60s has created an island that neglects its own history and roots , shame on you.

[Kifeas]

How can i give a logical answer to someone who claims Turks "occupied" Greek lands. The very lands they held for 600 years and which Greece opportunistically invaded for some crazy Megali idea. The very same crazy idea which screwed Cyprus over. It looks like you should be the one learning from your mistakes.

Turkey did not occupy any Greek lands in Cyprus. Turkey illegally occupies CYPRIOT lands from which it forced out their indigenous /millenniums long, Greek speaking Cypriot owners. Turkey did not hold any Cypriot lands for 600 years, because Turkey as a Nation State exists only for the last 80 years. The Ottomans occupied Cyprus by force for only 300 years (1570-1878.) The only real owners of Cyprus are it’s indigenous inhabitants, the Cypriots!

Maniacs article was referring to the 1922 population exchange of Asia Minor, which as i said, had been Turkish for 600 years.

The coasts of Asia Minor had been inhabited predominately by Greek speaking populations for several millenniums before the appearance of the Ottoman Empire and not just centuries. The coasts of Asia Minor have never been Turkish for 600 years, simply because the Turkish Nation State exists only for the last 80 years. The Ottomans occupied Asia Minor by force and submerged the populations of Asia Minor. That by itself doesn't make the Ottomans the rightful or legitimate owners of these lands, as the lands belong only to the people that used to inhabit them and developed civilisation and cities into these lands, since the beginning of written history. The Turks, or the Turkish-speaking people, were one element of the Ottoman Empire, but not the only one. The best generals of the Ottoman armies were Armenians. The best administrators and technocrats of the Ottoman Empire were Greeks from Konstantinoupolis (Byzantium.) The best soldiers of the Ottoman Empire were Janissaries abducted from the Christian populations of the Balkans and Greece.

[Kifeas]

What is your argument anyway?

Since you have read 100 books i would like some titles of these books explaining to me how Cyprus is a nation of it own before 1960 , and why do the people of Cyprus even after 300 years of Ottoman occupation emerge speaking Greek and have in common many of the Greek rituals.

Sparta was at war with Athens, are the Spartans Greek? , please enlighten me , help me figure out why Crete is considered part of Greece they have a similar history , and were joined with mainland Greece the same with many other Greek islands , the difference being the population of these islands never rejected there heritage. I see the propoganda of the British in the 40s -60s has created an island that neglects its own history and roots , shame on you.

Explain to me why the USA is a nation of it's own and you will eventually find the answer to your question. Unless you do not accept or consider the US to be a nation, in which case and since you already live there, you may start enlightening them about their true status and perhaps convince the Anglo-Saxons to unite it with Britain, the Italians to chop a piece and unite it with Italy, the Latinos to chop another piece and unite it with Spain and the Blacks to unite the rest with Africa.

In this way you will hopefully manage to dissolve the superpower and reed the world from its disastrous practices.

[Greekmaniac]

What is your argument anyway?

Since you have read 100 books i would like some titles of these books explaining to me how Cyprus is a nation of it own before 1960 , and why do the people of Cyprus even after 300 years of Ottoman occupation emerge speaking Greek and have in common many of the Greek rituals.

Sparta was at war with Athens, are the Spartans Greek? , please enlighten me , help me figure out why Crete is considered part of Greece they have a similar history , and were joined with mainland Greece the same with many other Greek islands , the difference being the population of these islands never rejected there heritage. I see the propoganda of the British in the 40s -60s has created an island that neglects its own history and roots , shame on you.

Explain to me why the USA is a nation of it's own and you will eventually find the answer to your question. Unless you do not accept or consider the US to be a nation, in which case and since you already live there, you may start enlightening them about their true status and perhaps convince the Anglo-Saxons to unite it with Britain, the Italians to chop a piece and unite it with Italy, the Latinos to shop another piece and unite it with Spain and the Blacks to unite the rest with Africa.

The US in reality belongs too the 500 nations of Indians that were massacred and cheated by the Anglo saxons , so in reality the Armies of the US are a conquering people. Do me a favour no lessons on US history , thats a bad try im still waiting for your education too enlighten me on why Cyprus is not Greek besides the propaganda you have been taught .

[Kifeas]

The US in reality belongs too the 500 nations of Indians that were massacred and cheated by the Anglo saxons , so in reality the Armies of the US are a conquering people. Do me a favour no lessons on US history , thats a bad try im still waiting for your education too enlighten me on why Cyprus is not Greek besides the propaganda you have been taught .

Then what are you doing there? What are the 2 million Greek Americans doing in this country? Are they also part of the occupying US Armies? Are Greeks (Greek Americans) the occupiers of other people's lands, i.e. the Native American Indian lands? Since they are American citizens, then the blame extends to them as well. If this is the case, then why do Greeks complain that others occupy their lands if they are doing the same with other people's lands?

Anyway, can you explain to me what do you mean or understand by the term "Cyprus is Greek"? What does that mean to you in essence and practice? Does it mean that it belongs to the Modern Greek state? Does it mean that the Turkish speaking Cypriots have no place in this country and they should be expelled? Does it mean that Cyprus as a separate, sovereign and independed Nation /state, member of the UN and the EU, should be dissolved and united with mainland Greece as a one country? Please explain to me what you understand by this term "Cyprus is Greek" otherwise it will just remain as an empty slogan in the air.

[Greekmaniac]

The US in reality belongs too the 500 nations of Indians that were massacred and cheated by the Anglo saxons , so in reality the Armies of the US are a conquering people. Do me a favour no lessons on US history , thats a bad try im still waiting for your education too enlighten me on why Cyprus is not Greek besides the propaganda you have been taught .

Then what are you doing there? What are the 2 million Greek Americans doing in this country? Are they also part of the occupying US Armies? Are Greeks (Greek Americans) the occupiers of other people's lands, i.e. the Native American Indian lands? Since they are American citizens, then the blame extends to them as well. If this is the case, then why do Greeks complain that others occupy their lands if they are doing the same with other people's lands?

Anyway, can explain to me what do you mean or understand by the term "Cyprus is Greek"? What does that mean to you in essence and practice? Does it mean that it belongs to the Modern Greek state? Does it mean that the Turkish speaking Cypriots have no place in this country and they should be extradited? Does it mean that Cyprus as a separate, sovereign and independed Nation /state, member of the UN and the EU, should be dissolved and united with mainland Greece as a one country? Please explain to me what you understand by this term "Cyprus is Greek" otherwise it will just remain as an empty slogan in the air.

First of all being a citizen doesnt make you a conspirator too a crime that occured 400 years ago. I was not born and am here only temporarily.
I will return too my native country of Greece , the island of Cyprus all the same to me.

You know the term Cyprus is Greek is wrong thak you for pointing that out , Cyprus is Greece , the Isalnd needs to be united with the mainland as a state just like Crete , and yes its UN and EU status should be dissolved and join Greece. The only reason this has not happened is because of a people that denies its roots like you, a foreign policy that looks to reward Turkey and punish all hellenes , an illegal constitution that was forced on the people of Cyprus .

Explain this to me after the Ottoman occupation the Greeks on the mainland had a goal for freedom and the unification of all Greek lands under occupation slowly this has happened and we are still struggling for this (at least those that know there history and roots and have the heart to fight).

I would also like to know what the national anthem is being that Cyprus is an independant country with its own flag and constitution?