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[Greekmaniac]

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Dear Tony,
If its any comfort,I want you to know that a lot of us share your concictions.Maybe we dont all have your courage or we have too much to lose,please forgive us for our cowardness. I have been trying to convey a message of peace to T/Cs on another forum.Some atleast listen,most dont because it happens to be a forum mainly occupied by nationalists.But i dont give up.Nationalists are the same everywhere.The nationalist is an idealist, an idealist so convinced of the righteousness of his views that he can choke you in an embrace trying to convince you.The nationalist is a sick man.The nationalist is of low intelligence and feels insecure in the presence of the unknown or the different.The nationalist has to belong to a group because he feels weak on his own.Nationalism is the last resort of the stupid the ignorant and the scared.
Refusing to take sides when both are wrong requires courage,intelligence and strength.[/quote]

We have found our hero Alexios ,thank you for calling ume a sick man ,weak,stupid and ignorant , thank you fo showing us that you dont label people and that your on the side of peace and acceptance.

Your not better than anyone else you think your oppinion is right and everyone else who doesnt agree is stupid, you just dont get it .

We have a occupying force on Cyprus get it through your head which puts us at war with a country that has a history of genocide and a human rights record that the chinese would be proud of, they removed over 2 million Greeks out of greek land in 1922 , an Armenian genocide, the killing of Kurds , the occupation of 38% of Cyprus 1974 , do you see a track record here , and your going to call me stupid give me a fucken break , you shake hands with the devil , the peace that you so desperately want can only come at our expence and you will have to face that burden in the future not me.

[Harry]

One thing I'm sick of hearing from TC'S is that the Annan plan was balanced. Viewpoint wrote that on the last page. IF you were genuine people you wouldn't still be crying that the Annan plan was balanced, but I guess because this is the only thing you have to go on. But honestly, listen to yourselves cry that it was balanced if the shoes were reversed. A genuine person wouldn't say that it was balanced, they just wouldn't say anything or even bring it up or at all. But thats where we differ, we keep our mouths closed to the trash we read, you use it as ammunition to trashtalk us. Stop with this attitude, and start being a little more civil to the crap politicians say instead of using it as a point system. Remember you gotta live with us when this is all said and done with, not them.

[Viewpoint]

One thing I'm sick of hearing from TC'S is that the Annan plan was balanced. Viewpoint wrote that on the last page. IF you were genuine people you wouldn't still be crying that the Annan plan was balanced, but I guess because this is the only thing you have to go on. But honestly, listen to yourselves cry that it was balanced if the shoes were reversed. A genuine person wouldn't say that it was balanced, they just wouldn't say anything or even bring it up or at all. But thats where we differ, we keep our mouths closed to the trash we read, you use it as ammunition to trashtalk us. Stop with this attitude, and start being a little more civil to the crap politicians say instead of using it as a point system. Remember you gotta live with us when this is all said and done with, not them.

Harry can you kindly find where i said the Annan plan was balanced?? and post it.....so that we can discuss it.

[Main_Source]

well u wrote

The Annan plan gave us an opportunity and for the first time the opnion of the people was called upon, we took the step forward only to find that the other side took a step backwards, so again we proved that we cannot agree on a mutually acceptable solution, one side will always take a step backwards

which unless you thought GC should agree on a plan that was unfair on them...then it seems like you are saying the Annan plan was balanced.

[Viewpoint]

well u wrote

The Annan plan gave us an opportunity and for the first time the opnion of the people was called upon, we took the step forward only to find that the other side took a step backwards, so again we proved that we cannot agree on a mutually acceptable solution, one side will always take a step backwards

which unless you thought GC should agree on a plan that was unfair on them...then it seems like you are saying the Annan plan was balanced.

I see it can be taken that way but what I meant was that we as Cypriots cannot agree a solution because what is balanced for TCs in this case the Annan plan will always be viewed as unbalanced for GCs and visa versa. Hope thats clearer.

[BirKibrisli]

Alexios wrote:

If its any comfort,I want you to know that a lot of us share your concictions.Maybe we dont all have your courage or we have too much to lose,please forgive us for our cowardness. I have been trying to convey a message of peace to T/Cs on another forum.Some atleast listen,most dont because it happens to be a forum mainly occupied by nationalists.But i dont give up.Nationalists are the same everywhere.The nationalist is an idealist, an idealist so convinced of the righteousness of his views that he can choke you in an embrace trying to convince you.The nationalist is a sick man.The nationalist is of low intelligence and feels insecure in the presence of the unknown or the different.The nationalist has to belong to a group because he feels weak on his own.Nationalism is the last resort of the stupid the ignorant and the scared.
Refusing to take sides when both are wrong requires courage,intelligence and strength.

I just want to add my support to what Alexios has written.
Nationalism I would say is the last resort of the scoundrel.

Tony,it will be a great loss to this forum if you decide to stop posting.
Please keep us informed of how things are going for you.
I was 17 when my father decided he didn't want his only son to get killed in a senseless civil war.So he immigrated .I had no say in the matter then,and more than 30 years later (with children who are Australian and an 86-year old mother who refuses to go to Cyprus because she believes she will die if she sees the state of her village near Paphos) I have little choice now.But my heart belongs to Cyprus and sooner or later I will return.I just want to come back to a united Cyprus where old stupid hatreds that made my life a misery are not present. People like you are trying to bring this about,and you probably don't know how much you are appreciated. Please don't give up on us.We are trying to do the best we can.

[Alexios]

Dear Tony,
If its any comfort,I want you to know that a lot of us share your concictions.Maybe we dont all have your courage or we have too much to lose,please forgive us for our cowardness. I have been trying to convey a message of peace to T/Cs on another forum.Some atleast listen,most dont because it happens to be a forum mainly occupied by nationalists.But i dont give up.Nationalists are the same everywhere.The nationalist is an idealist, an idealist so convinced of the righteousness of his views that he can choke you in an embrace trying to convince you.The nationalist is a sick man.The nationalist is of low intelligence and feels insecure in the presence of the unknown or the different.The nationalist has to belong to a group because he feels weak on his own.Nationalism is the last resort of the stupid the ignorant and the scared.
Refusing to take sides when both are wrong requires courage,intelligence and strength.[/quote]

The view of a G/C nationalist
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We have found our hero Alexios ,thank you for calling ume a sick man ,weak,stupid and ignorant , thank you fo showing us that you dont label people and that your on the side of peace and acceptance.

Your not better than anyone else you think your oppinion is right and everyone else who doesnt agree is stupid, you just dont get it .

We have a occupying force on Cyprus get it through your head which puts us at war with a country that has a history of genocide and a human rights record that the chinese would be proud of, they removed over 2 million Greeks out of greek land in 1922 , an Armenian genocide, the killing of Kurds , the occupation of 38% of Cyprus 1974 , do you see a track record here , and your going to call me stupid give me a fucken break , you shake hands with the devil , the peace that you so desperately want can only come at our expence and you will have to face that burden in the future not me.
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The view of a T/C nationalsit on ATCA (Association of Turkish Cypriots Abroad) forum
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I viewed the screening of the above at Bar Rocca on Monday 29/8/2005 and would like to express my dissatisfaction and absolute disgust at a very poor portrayal of very tragic and unforgettable events.

I innocently and curiously wanted to see this controversial GC’s view of events hoping that there may be at least one GC who can sympathise with such tragic & barbaric atrocities. How wrong was I? I cannot understand for the life of me why the event was being advertised/promoted by NCE and ICNC (International Council for North Cyprus). A poorly made, low budget documentary tried to portray events through the eyes of TC witnesses but the underlying tow in my opinion was something different.

The theme was that we must not “brainwash” our children into hatred and we must be able to forgive and move on in unity. The film ends with him holding hands with a young TC girl (the spirit of) walking away happily together.

Why has such a fuss been made about this film? Someone please help me out here, have I missed the point? Who is making the money here? There is no sympathy here and there is certainly no remorse. There was not an apology made by this Director on behalf of his country folk to the families in person or the TC community at large. In stead we had statements at the end asking that both communities expose unknown mass graves.

I have seen far more informative documentaries in the past and nobody has been keen to promote any of those as much.
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Seems one cannot win.The nationalists feed on each other.They appear to be the extremes of each side but in reality they are the closest to each other.They live in a love/hate relationship and deep down they know they need each other because they could not exist separately.Their common hatred is their only strength.Take it away and they have nothing..

[BirKibrisli]

Seems one cannot win.The nationalists feed on each other.They appear to be the extremes of each side but in reality they are the closest to each other.They live in a love/hate relationship and deep down they know they need each other because they could not exist separately.Their common hatred is their only strength.Take it away and they have nothing..

Alexios,you are so right.Take away his hatred and this person you quote will have nothing to prop him up.He can't even see at what personal cost Tony made his documentary and published his book.He can't see what a fundamentel step it would be in the right direction if we stoped poisoning the minds of the younger generations.I feel sorry for them.I can't even get angry with them any more. We have to keep talking to them,unfortunately,because unless they change their minds we can forget about peace in our lifetime.Keep up the good work,brother

[Alexios]

Seems one cannot win.The nationalists feed on each other.They appear to be the extremes of each side but in reality they are the closest to each other.They live in a love/hate relationship and deep down they know they need each other because they could not exist separately.Their common hatred is their only strength.Take it away and they have nothing..

Alexios,you are so right.Take away his hatred and this person you quote will have nothing to prop him up.He can't even see at what personal cost Tony made his documentary and published his book.He can't see what a fundamentel step it would be in the right direction if we stoped poisoning the minds of the younger generations.I feel sorry for them.I can't even get angry with them any more. We have to keep talking to them,unfortunately,because unless they change their minds we can forget about peace in our lifetime.Keep up the good work,brother

Thank you Birkibrisli.
If you take the trouble to visit www.atcanews.org thoughts and ideas section) you will get a good idea of what i have said.I ve participating in the forum since July 21 trying desperately to have a decent exchange of ideas.The end result , since there were no answers to my views was to ignore me absolutely and talk between themselves on matters they agree with each other.I have even been called a paid agent...!!:))

[Main_Source]

I wouldnt bother with that website lol....its a ridiculous joke and full of bullshit.

They even mentioned Cyprus Forum on there and said it was a right wing Greek website. Their main aim is partition and nothing less.