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[Alexios]

Sadik,Selam and thank you for your post.
You are of course right when you say I exaggerate things,but I do it to make a painful situation a little bit funny.
You I assume live in Cyprus while I get my info from the internet sites of the newspapers mainly in Turkish.I try to get a balanced view by reading both left and right wing publications.If they are misleading me,I can only appologise.I think it is important though to openly talk about our problems (or should I say your problems as I am safely away from the fire as Alexios reminded us above).Is it not true that recently 10 houses were burgled in the same street,I forgot where,within a period of hours,certainly within the same night? If you think the authorities are on top of the situation fine,but that is not the impression I get from reading some of the papers. I thought the power cuts were a regular thing again from the newspapers.

I am not sure what Alexios' objection is to us writing from the diaspora.
I was 17 years old when I left Cyprus,and never went to a saturday school to maintain my cultural idendity. What I did however was take the opportunity to examine the brainwashing I received in Cyprus about the evil GCs and how they wanted to drink my blood.When a mainlander Greek lady took me under her wings and became my foster mother,and when the only kids at school who wanted to be my friends were Greek and GC kids,I had to change my opinions about my "traditional enemy".
I saw with my own eyes that we were one and the same people,set against each other to serve the interests of big powers. I started feeling very angry that I was forced into exile on false pretenses.
Believe me Alexios,we are not very comfortable in our safe and orderly foster homelands,as you say,because we do not feel we belong here.
My kids wouldn't live anywhere else but on this land where I do not feel at home. That is a tragedy on its own.I am stuck between my kids and my homeland which is torn apart by a senseless civil war.
Do you blame us for trying to play our part in reuniting our homeland,which is the only chance we have of ever returning there?
This is my reality and the reality of many hundreds of thousands of Cypriots.No one knows better than us that" Cyprus is not just a holiday destination".

Birkinbrisli,
What you say (i said i had no objection to people living abroad expressing their views) reinforced my general idea about the psychology of the immigrant.I agree absolutely with not feeling safe,not belonging etc but what i was refering in terms of safety and security was in the national sense (i tried by using brackets..seems i have failed to be clear) ie. not having the threat of instability or anemocities hanging over you all day:)
Furthermore what you write, and importantly your manner and style is exceptional.You are one of the exceptions I already mentioned.Unfortunately we are forced to make generalizations to make a point.Please dont get me wrong.What i said applies as much,if not more,to G/Cs as well.
In any event I am happy you are such an exception.

[Piratis]

Those in UK live under the laws and administration that prevails there and have no issues about governing themselves. They do not feel they have the right to dominate and control. But here GCs feel majority rules and that we should be put in our place as a minority in our own country.

So in the UK "majority rules" or better "one man one vote" is fine, but in Cyprus it is not? And you keep saying the phrase "a minority in our own country" over and over again. If it was not your own country you would be tourists, foreigners not a minority.

Here is the definition of a minority:

In sociology and in voting theory, a minority is a sub-group that forms less than half of the population, and — as a rule — is outnumbered by at least one other sub-group. (That is, it does not form either a majority or a plurality.) This can be used to categorize people of a different language, nationality, religion, culture, lifestyle or any characteristic, provided these people are accepted as part of the referent group.

Of course TCs are a minority!! It is ridiculous to claim otherwise.

[Greekmaniac]

Alexios I was asked were I was born , you assumed I grew up there and formed an oppinion about my posts based on some pre-conceived ideas on how relevant a Cyprians argument is based solely on were he lives, sounds to me you need to check yourself.

[Viewpoint]

Those in UK live under the laws and administration that prevails there and have no issues about governing themselves. They do not feel they have the right to dominate and control. But here GCs feel majority rules and that we should be put in our place as a minority in our own country.

So in the UK "majority rules" or better "one man one vote" is fine, but in Cyprus it is not? And you keep saying the phrase "a minority in our own country" over and over again. If it was not your own country you would be tourists, foreigners not a minority.

Numerically we are a minority Im not disputing this but we are 2 equal communities attempting to build a partnership (2 constituent states) under a federal umbrella.

You as Gcs maybe 6ft2 and we as Tcs maybe 5ft9 but we are equal when it comes to sitting down at a table and agreeing a partnership, get my drift?

[Harry]

Viewpoint, how can you expect to sit at the negotiating table and negotiate with our assets. Reverse the tables a little bit. Would you negotiate with someone that took your shit, labeled it theirs, and if it doesnt sound TOO good no deal. Thats what Turkey expects by the way. No matter what we try to negotiate it'll never sound good to you.
Now tell me, what if someone messed with your personal families assets (put property aside), stuff the bank wants to reposses. But you were keeping up with proper payments and they took it back. You think that would fly in a country that has democracy, NEVER. Setting up rules the way your country wants, is not going to fly in the EU. Thats the message all other countries are watching right now, and waiting to see how Turkey reacts. Turkey is failing miserably but noone will voice their opinion till it happens to them, so I think maybe more countries than France will have balls to speak out whats right, when the time comes.

[Harry]

GC's see the Cyprus problem as legal more than anything else, and TC's see it as we have the land now, what are you willing to give us before we give you your property back, if we give it back. One day TC's gotta fly out of their nest without daddy flying behind them. Turkey is making the TC's depend on them so much they don't have their own identity yet, so its like someone out of work, all they're going to do is complain about the past and what the world haven't done for them and owe them. Thats the attitude I keep reading from TC's in this forum. GC's just want their shit back.

[Viewpoint]

Harry Gcs will get their shit back as soon as they sit down at the table and genuinely negotiate in goodfait for it, Tcs in general have no problem with returning land as far as it is physically possible but there is all the other shit that goes with land issue eg security, settlers, power sharing etc...we are still unable to agree any of this shit, we have differing opinions which is clearly evisdent on this forum and this is why we cant find a solution that will make both communities 100% happy. The Annan plan gave us an opportunity and for the first time the opnion of the people was called upon, we took the step forward only to find that the other side took a step backwards, so again we proved that we cannot agree on a mutually acceptable solution, one side will always take a step backwards. The reason for this is that one side considers a plus in favour of one community as a minus for their own so they will always back away. If there is a next time and the Annan plan is adapted to ensure a GC yes then I am 90% sure Tcs will vote no.
As for daddy flying behind us, Gcs have to realize that as long as we are dependent on Turkey for financial support we will always have to take inot account their best interest as well, so how do we break this chain and how can GCs help??? dont you feel we have to develop economically to move and make more independent decisions, but at the moment all GCs are doing are pushing us closer and closer to Turkey and further away from yourselves. Ways have to be found to encourage Tcs to develop their economy and move closer to build ties with the south, do you see this happening?? unfortunately I see the opposite.

[angastiniotis]

Can somebody tell me when I made the comment “that he would rather live on the TC side?”

I don’t know if some journalist or other media said this but it never came out of my mouth, never the less what I have said is “ I have no problem living in the south”. Why?

Are the G/C in Karpasia traitors? Is not my house in Famagusta?

In August 2nd I moved to Famagusta in order to work in the EMU University. For one year I lived with no money, I have 4 children that never got Christmas gifts or birthday gifts this year, lost my house in the south because I could not pay my mortgage, and now the bank is taking my last piece of land that was given to my wife as inheritance by her parents. I was three times turn down for a refugee house and did not receive unemployment money because they said I didn’t work for six months exactly the same period two years previous to my application, but I worked more than a decade in Cyprus.

Must I starve to death? Most of you probably will say yes.

Must I also continue and talk about the phone taping, and the Greek intelligence following me around, once even their presence was spotted by German journalist that thought I was exaggerating at first and remembered their life in East Germany? Must I go on about hundreds of death threats and my dog poisoning three times. Must I mention the beating up of my daughter and the threats from her teachers?

Nevertheless, I have no problem living in the South, this is my country and nobody can make me run. I cross the barricades all the time, day and night not knowing if any of those death threats are real, but knowing that I love my country to much to run.

Some of you think this is a game; you are safely sitting behind your computers chatting more and more about less and less. Labeling people according to borrowed information you receive from newspapers. Get out and face the realities. Some of you wouldn’t last a day in my shoes.

With all the Karpasia traitors that have chosen to reside in there village under Turkish authority I am now doing the same, but only I am a traitor, not all those that have secretly rented houses and don’t miss a weekend at the casinos, some even employed by them. But they are not traitors because you don’t know their names and you think they are only a few idiots, I promise you there more than a few.

I have made interviews with the Karpasia people, or must I call them traitors. None was willing to talk on camera because of what they said. I gave a promise I will not reveal there complains, but please go on a regular day and have them open their hearts. You will spit on our governments when you hear what they have to say. The made a big fuss about the school in Karpasia but the Gc lady responsible there, from September that the school began she got paid her first salary in May. What a grate support! They said they don’t want to speak because they don’t want to lose that little support they get.

All this are realities you will never get behind your computer.

Now what? Is it safer for me in the North? Think for a minute if you can. I promised I will do a film about the Greek suffering to show my Turkish Cypriot brothers, but now I live in the north, having the same risk I had when I did the first documentary. Will the Turkish Cypriots be open to accept my new work? Will they start to threat me also; will the army shut me down fort good? Will I get shot on the way to work one day?

But why am I risking my life? Can you not understand that I belong to no side? I refuse to hate Greeks or Turks; I am consumed with such a grate love for my country that it’s even more important than my life. I may not live long, but I will definitely die with a clear conscience.

We need peaceful warriors in this island that will step out from their offices comfort and generate peace. There i8s a grate deference between Peace Lovers and Peace Makers.

This I think must be the last of my chatting in the internet. As Mariacy, the lady that opened this discussion has said to me in private email this morning, “I don’t understand how they have turned the conversation into a Tony traitor subject”. I don’t understand either.

Forgive me for the outburst but I paid a very high price to keep my silence, but now that I said it, I feel all this chatting is taking us nowhere.

See you somewhere between the Green Line!
The traitor
Tony Angastiniotis

[angastiniotis]

Can somebody tell me when I made the comment “that he would rather live on the TC side?”

I don’t know if some journalist or other media said this but it never came out of my mouth, never the less what I have said is “ I have no problem living in the south”. Why?

Are the G/C in Karpasia traitors? Is not my house in Famagusta?

In August 2nd I moved to Famagusta in order to work in the EMU University. For one year I lived with no money, I have 4 children that never got Christmas gifts or birthday gifts this year, lost my house in the south because I could not pay my mortgage, and now the bank is taking my last piece of land that was given to my wife as inheritance by her parents. I was three times turn down for a refugee house and did not receive unemployment money because they said I didn’t work for six months exactly the same period two years previous to my application, but I worked more than a decade in Cyprus.

Must I starve to death? Most of you probably will say yes.

Must I also continue and talk about the phone taping, and the Greek intelligence following me around, once even their presence was spotted by German journalist that thought I was exaggerating at first and remembered their life in East Germany? Must I go on about hundreds of death threats and my dog poisoning three times. Must I mention the beating up of my daughter and the threats from her teachers?

Nevertheless, I have no problem living in the South, this is my country and nobody can make me run. I cross the barricades all the time, day and night not knowing if any of those death threats are real, but knowing that I love my country to much to run.

Some of you think this is a game; you are safely sitting behind your computers chatting more and more about less and less. Labeling people according to borrowed information you receive from newspapers. Get out and face the realities. Some of you wouldn’t last a day in my shoes.

With all the Karpasia traitors that have chosen to reside in there village under Turkish authority I am now doing the same, but only I am a traitor, not all those that have secretly rented houses and don’t miss a weekend at the casinos, some even employed by them. But they are not traitors because you don’t know their names and you think they are only a few idiots, I promise you there more than a few.

I have made interviews with the Karpasia people, or must I call them traitors. None was willing to talk on camera because of what they said. I gave a promise I will not reveal there complains, but please go on a regular day and have them open their hearts. You will spit on our governments when you hear what they have to say. The made a big fuss about the school in Karpasia but the Gc lady responsible there, from September that the school began she got paid her first salary in May. What a grate support! They said they don’t want to speak because they don’t want to lose that little support they get.

All this are realities you will never get behind your computer.

Now what? Is it safer for me in the North? Think for a minute if you can. I promised I will do a film about the Greek suffering to show my Turkish Cypriot brothers, but now I live in the north, having the same risk I had when I did the first documentary. Will the Turkish Cypriots be open to accept my new work? Will they start to threat me also; will the army shut me down fort good? Will I get shot on the way to work one day?

But why am I risking my life? Can you not understand that I belong to no side? I refuse to hate Greeks or Turks; I am consumed with such a grate love for my country that it’s even more important than my life. I may not live long, but I will definitely die with a clear conscience.

We need peaceful warriors in this island that will step out from their offices comfort and generate peace. There i8s a grate deference between Peace Lovers and Peace Makers.

This I think must be the last of my chatting in the internet. As Mariacy, the lady that opened this discussion has said to me in private email this morning, “I don’t understand how they have turned the conversation into a Tony traitor subject”. I don’t understand either.

Forgive me for the outburst but I paid a very high price to keep my silence, but now that I said it, I feel all this chatting is taking us nowhere.

See you somewhere between the Green Line!
The traitor
Tony Angastiniotis

[Alexios]

Can somebody tell me when I made the comment “that he would rather live on the TC side?”

I don’t know if some journalist or other media said this but it never came out of my mouth, never the less what I have said is “ I have no problem living in the south”. Why?

Are the G/C in Karpasia traitors? Is not my house in Famagusta?

In August 2nd I moved to Famagusta in order to work in the EMU University. For one year I lived with no money, I have 4 children that never got Christmas gifts or birthday gifts this year, lost my house in the south because I could not pay my mortgage, and now the bank is taking my last piece of land that was given to my wife as inheritance by her parents. I was three times turn down for a refugee house and did not receive unemployment money because they said I didn’t work for six months exactly the same period two years previous to my application, but I worked more than a decade in Cyprus.

Must I starve to death? Most of you probably will say yes.

Must I also continue and talk about the phone taping, and the Greek intelligence following me around, once even their presence was spotted by German journalist that thought I was exaggerating at first and remembered their life in East Germany? Must I go on about hundreds of death threats and my dog poisoning three times. Must I mention the beating up of my daughter and the threats from her teachers?

Nevertheless, I have no problem living in the South, this is my country and nobody can make me run. I cross the barricades all the time, day and night not knowing if any of those death threats are real, but knowing that I love my country to much to run.

Some of you think this is a game; you are safely sitting behind your computers chatting more and more about less and less. Labeling people according to borrowed information you receive from newspapers. Get out and face the realities. Some of you wouldn’t last a day in my shoes.

With all the Karpasia traitors that have chosen to reside in there village under Turkish authority I am now doing the same, but only I am a traitor, not all those that have secretly rented houses and don’t miss a weekend at the casinos, some even employed by them. But they are not traitors because you don’t know their names and you think they are only a few idiots, I promise you there more than a few.

I have made interviews with the Karpasia people, or must I call them traitors. None was willing to talk on camera because of what they said. I gave a promise I will not reveal there complains, but please go on a regular day and have them open their hearts. You will spit on our governments when you hear what they have to say. The made a big fuss about the school in Karpasia but the Gc lady responsible there, from September that the school began she got paid her first salary in May. What a grate support! They said they don’t want to speak because they don’t want to lose that little support they get.

All this are realities you will never get behind your computer.

Now what? Is it safer for me in the North? Think for a minute if you can. I promised I will do a film about the Greek suffering to show my Turkish Cypriot brothers, but now I live in the north, having the same risk I had when I did the first documentary. Will the Turkish Cypriots be open to accept my new work? Will they start to threat me also; will the army shut me down fort good? Will I get shot on the way to work one day?

But why am I risking my life? Can you not understand that I belong to no side? I refuse to hate Greeks or Turks; I am consumed with such a grate love for my country that it’s even more important than my life. I may not live long, but I will definitely die with a clear conscience.

We need peaceful warriors in this island that will step out from their offices comfort and generate peace. There i8s a grate deference between Peace Lovers and Peace Makers.

This I think must be the last of my chatting in the internet. As Mariacy, the lady that opened this discussion has said to me in private email this morning, “I don’t understand how they have turned the conversation into a Tony traitor subject”. I don’t understand either.

Forgive me for the outburst but I paid a very high price to keep my silence, but now that I said it, I feel all this chatting is taking us nowhere.

See you somewhere between the Green Line!
The traitor
Tony Angastiniotis

Dear Tony,
If its any comfort,I want you to know that a lot of us share your concictions.Maybe we dont all have your courage or we have too much to lose,please forgive us for our cowardness. I have been trying to convey a message of peace to T/Cs on another forum.Some atleast listen,most dont because it happens to be a forum mainly occupied by nationalists.But i dont give up.Nationalists are the same everywhere.The nationalist is an idealist, an idealist so convinced of the righteousness of his views that he can choke you in an embrace trying to convince you.The nationalist is a sick man.The nationalist is of low intelligence and feels insecure in the presence of the unknown or the different.The nationalist has to belong to a group because he feels weak on his own.Nationalism is the last resort of the stupid the ignorant and the scared.
Refusing to take sides when both are wrong requires courage,intelligence and strength.