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[Bananiot]

I have been saying the same thing all my life Kifeas. I think you are here just to criticise others. Why don't you stick to a square contribution on the subject started my mariacy? Recrimination is more important to you, I feel, but may be I am wrong.

[-mikkie2-]

Quite frankly, anyone who doesn't think both communities suffered must be living on a different planet. The GC community has slowly been finding out what the GC's have inflicted on the TC's. BUT do the TC realise what the Turks have done to GC's on their behalf? Do they feel the same shame and remorse? Do they?

[BirKibrisli]

Some of us do,Mikkie2- some of us do.
But I don't think we know the extend of it.Only what some brave people like MrAngastiniotis manage to tell us,some at the cost of their lives.
I will never know Maria's pain personally,but I know what it's like not being able to visit your village for more than 30 years,and not knowing how to tell my 86 year old mother that she will never see her village even if she could get there now,because it has been razed to the ground to provide grazing land for animals near Paphos.

In another thread I put forward the idea of a Truth and Justice Commission in Cyprus,along the South African lines,where people like Maria can go to find the truth about her father.I now think this would be essential before two communities can trust each other and put the past wrongs behind them. But that I guess it won't happen while there are some of the culprits still living and some still vielding power.Pity really.

[Greekmaniac]

Maria I am sorry for your pain I have not felt what you are feeling so Im not going to say I understand , I also realize that crimes have been commited by both GCs and TCs , and losses , I will read the book to get a better understanding , but he did make a comment that he would rather live on the TC side so that would make him a traitor in my book.

[BirKibrisli]

Greekmaniac,you are not really crazy are U?
Joke,mate

Why would living in the North make Mr Angastiniotis a traitor?
The North is in Cyprus too,isn't it?

IMO living in the North would make him doubly heroic .You know why?
There are daily electricity cuts lasting upto 8 hours,the chances of being burgled on any night is about 50/50,and the latest police advise to TCs who get regular beatings by the settlers is "Don't go out after 9.00pm at night!"

[Greekmaniac]

Greekmaniac,you are not really crazy are U?
Joke,mate

Why would living in the North make Mr Angastiniotis a traitor?
The North is in Cyprus too,isn't it?

IMO living in the North would make him doubly heroic .You know why?
There are daily electricity cuts lasting upto 8 hours,the chances of being burgled on any night is about 50/50,and the latest police advise to TCs who get regular beatings by the settlers is "Don't go out after 9.00pm at night!"

Australia beutifull country i grew up in melbourne , and am living in NY , Im not crazy , the reason it would make him a traitor has nothing to do with living alongside TCs , it has to do with living under a government which is supported by a conquering army that continues to violate some of the most basic human right laws among other violations.

If you watch football the Sydney Swans suck , just kiddin.

[Alexios]

Greekmaniac,you are not really crazy are U?
Joke,mate

Why would living in the North make Mr Angastiniotis a traitor?
The North is in Cyprus too,isn't it?

IMO living in the North would make him doubly heroic .You know why?
There are daily electricity cuts lasting upto 8 hours,the chances of being burgled on any night is about 50/50,and the latest police advise to TCs who get regular beatings by the settlers is "Don't go out after 9.00pm at night!"

Australia beutifull country i grew up in melbourne , and am living in NY , Im not crazy , the reason it would make him a traitor has nothing to do with living alongside TCs , it has to do with living under a government which is supported by a conquering army that continues to violate some of the most basic human right laws among other violations.

If you watch football the Sydney Swans suck , just kiddin.

The manner of writing and frame of mind excibited by greekmaniac is i am afraid ,typical,(though there are exceptions) of both Greek and Turkish Cypriots reciding abroad.I could attempt to sociologically explain it but thats not now the issue.I understand the psychology of the immigrant, first,second or third generation.However, i ask these people to understand that its different preaching history,justice,equality etc etc from the comfort of their safe and orderly (in national terms) foster homeland and different to actually live here in Cyprus.Do they really understand the problem, or have they simply formulated a black and white picture in their minds painted by parents and grandparents still living in the past and nationalistic saturday school teachers specifically appointed to "maintain the national character of the diaspora??!!
I am not saying these peole are not entitled to a view.I am saying they should be twive as careful in expressing it unless they are in a position to really apprehend the realities on the island.Cyprus is not just a holiday destination...

[sadik]

IMO living in the North would make him doubly heroic .You know why?
There are daily electricity cuts lasting upto 8 hours,the chances of being burgled on any night is about 50/50,and the latest police advise to TCs who get regular beatings by the settlers is "Don't go out after 9.00pm at night!"

Birkibrisli, I think we should not overly exaggerate things when we are discussing the Cyprus problem. We should base our arguments on facts, not on myths. There have been only several power outages in the last year and the the chance of getting burgled is definitely not much higher than in the south. And I've never heard of regular beatings by the settlers, actually I've never heard of any. There have been some incidences where professional burglers came to Cyprus overnight, using electronic devices to open doors and safes and sprays to keep people sleeping. The were abusing the lack of border controls between Turkey and the north, doing some burgleris and escaping to Turkey the same night, never to be found again. But now the controls are much more strict, and these kinds of incidences are greatly reduced. There are problems, but they definitely are not as you put them.

[BirKibrisli]

Sadik,Selam and thank you for your post.
You are of course right when you say I exaggerate things,but I do it to make a painful situation a little bit funny.
You I assume live in Cyprus while I get my info from the internet sites of the newspapers mainly in Turkish.I try to get a balanced view by reading both left and right wing publications.If they are misleading me,I can only appologise.I think it is important though to openly talk about our problems (or should I say your problems as I am safely away from the fire as Alexios reminded us above).Is it not true that recently 10 houses were burgled in the same street,I forgot where,within a period of hours,certainly within the same night? If you think the authorities are on top of the situation fine,but that is not the impression I get from reading some of the papers. I thought the power cuts were a regular thing again from the newspapers.

I am not sure what Alexios' objection is to us writing from the diaspora.
I was 17 years old when I left Cyprus,and never went to a saturday school to maintain my cultural idendity. What I did however was take the opportunity to examine the brainwashing I received in Cyprus about the evil GCs and how they wanted to drink my blood.When a mainlander Greek lady took me under her wings and became my foster mother,and when the only kids at school who wanted to be my friends were Greek and GC kids,I had to change my opinions about my "traditional enemy".
I saw with my own eyes that we were one and the same people,set against each other to serve the interests of big powers. I started feeling very angry that I was forced into exile on false pretenses.
Believe me Alexios,we are not very comfortable in our safe and orderly foster homelands,as you say,because we do not feel we belong here.
My kids wouldn't live anywhere else but on this land where I do not feel at home. That is a tragedy on its own.I am stuck between my kids and my homeland which is torn apart by a senseless civil war.
Do you blame us for trying to play our part in reuniting our homeland,which is the only chance we have of ever returning there?
This is my reality and the reality of many hundreds of thousands of Cypriots.No one knows better than us that" Cyprus is not just a holiday destination".

[Viewpoint]

Sadik,Selam and thank you for your post.
You are of course right when you say I exaggerate things,but I do it to make a painful situation a little bit funny.
You I assume live in Cyprus while I get my info from the internet sites of the newspapers mainly in Turkish.I try to get a balanced view by reading both left and right wing publications.If they are misleading me,I can only appologise.I think it is important though to openly talk about our problems (or should I say your problems as I am safely away from the fire as Alexios reminded us above).Is it not true that recently 10 houses were burgled in the same street,I forgot where,within a period of hours,certainly within the same night? If you think the authorities are on top of the situation fine,but that is not the impression I get from reading some of the papers. I thought the power cuts were a regular thing again from the newspapers.

I am not sure what Alexios' objection is to us writing from the diaspora.
I was 17 years old when I left Cyprus,and never went to a saturday school to maintain my cultural idendity. What I did however was take the opportunity to examine the brainwashing I received in Cyprus about the evil GCs and how they wanted to drink my blood.When a mainlander Greek lady took me under her wings and became my foster mother,and when the only kids at school who wanted to be my friends were Greek and GC kids,I had to change my opinions about my "traditional enemy".
I saw with my own eyes that we were one and the same people,set against each other to serve the interests of big powers. I started feeling very angry that I was forced into exile on false pretenses.
Believe me Alexios,we are not very comfortable in our safe and orderly foster homelands,as you say,because we do not feel we belong here.
My kids wouldn't live anywhere else but on this land where I do not feel at home. That is a tragedy on its own.I am stuck between my kids and my homeland which is torn apart by a senseless civil war.
Do you blame us for trying to play our part in reuniting our homeland,which is the only chance we have of ever returning there?

This is my reality and the reality of many hundreds of thousands of Cypriots.No one knows better than us that" Cyprus is not just a holiday destination".

Although I can appreciate your reality having also lived in the UK and returning to TRNC after so many years, the situation between GCs and TCs in the UK is totally different from those that live in North and South Cyprus. Those in UK live under the laws and administration that prevails there and have no issues about governing themselves. They do not feel they have the right to dominate and control. But here GCs feel majority rules and that we should be put in our place as a minority in our own country. The feeling of vengence still simmers in many GC hearts and that anger and frustration which has stewwed for the last 31 years is still very evident in the mentality of many GCs who cannot comprehend sharing a meal let alone a country. For many GCs even on this forum you are a thief rapist greedy murderer and should be put in your place. You should come and live here and meet GCs from the south in the Cypriot environment, read and research GCs administrative policies and attitudes towards our leadership and community. I am certain you will question your beliefs that being civil and friends and finding similarities between our communities just does not cut it when two communites are looking to share an island and agendas and viewpoints constantly conflict.