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[Hermes]

i don't think there will be any TC not uprising about this thread.

That would be very odd. The original post was based on interviews with many T/Cs and formed the basis of an article published by a respected Cambridge academic about the tensions between T/Cs and settlers in the occupied areas. The article also focused on T/C fears about being forced into exile and eventual extinction. I'm not sure why you think it's a bad thing for T/Cs to express their discontent with Turkish policies of assimilation in the north...

[Viewpoint]

You cannot defend the existence of the "TRNC" by appealing to human barbarism of the past and saying "Look how barbaric people once behaved. Therefore it's okay for us to be barbarians".

Why dont you take this up with the Americans or Australians???? You physically lost the north forever in 1974, time you realized that.

I think you missed the point of my post. It won't be the first time...

As for having "lost the north forever", I think you are being a bit premature. Turkey can only hang on to the north with the presence of thousands of troops, maintaining a huge garrison at great expense, economically and diplomatically. Unless Turkey can keep its EU accession path open, those who are already questioning Turkey's NATO membership will grow in number and Western investors, who make up the majority of foreign investors in Turkey, will pull the plug on them. Turkey will find it very hard to go it alone.

Try and remember that next time you feel like shouting about how Turkey's occupation of the north has some kind of permanence to it. It's only because you know that Turkey's grip on the north is so precarious that you're on here every day trying to convince others. Of course, what you are really doing here every day is, first of all, trying to convince yourself...

Are you being serious? if you are you are more stupid than I thought.

[Hermes]

You cannot defend the existence of the "TRNC" by appealing to human barbarism of the past and saying "Look how barbaric people once behaved. Therefore it's okay for us to be barbarians".

Why dont you take this up with the Americans or Australians???? You physically lost the north forever in 1974, time you realized that.

I think you missed the point of my post. It won't be the first time...

As for having "lost the north forever", I think you are being a bit premature. Turkey can only hang on to the north with the presence of thousands of troops, maintaining a huge garrison at great expense, economically and diplomatically. Unless Turkey can keep its EU accession path open, those who are already questioning Turkey's NATO membership will grow in number and Western investors, who make up the majority of foreign investors in Turkey, will pull the plug on them. Turkey will find it very hard to go it alone.

Try and remember that next time you feel like shouting about how Turkey's occupation of the north has some kind of permanence to it. It's only because you know that Turkey's grip on the north is so precarious that you're on here every day trying to convince others. Of course, what you are really doing here every day is, first of all, trying to convince yourself...

Are you being serious? if you are you are more stupid than I thought.

If you were twice as smart, Viewpoint, you'd still be stupid.

[supporttheunderdog]

Are you being serious? if you are you are more stupid than I thought.

Very erudite, I am sure!! You as the intellectual giant of the TC I am sure we have nothing to worry about.

[ZoC]

You cannot defend the existence of the "TRNC" by appealing to human barbarism of the past and saying "Look how barbaric people once behaved. Therefore it's okay for us to be barbarians".

Why dont you take this up with the Americans or Australians???? You physically lost the north forever in 1974, time you realized that.

I think you missed the point of my post. It won't be the first time...

As for having "lost the north forever", I think you are being a bit premature. Turkey can only hang on to the north with the presence of thousands of troops, maintaining a huge garrison at great expense, economically and diplomatically. Unless Turkey can keep its EU accession path open, those who are already questioning Turkey's NATO membership will grow in number and Western investors, who make up the majority of foreign investors in Turkey, will pull the plug on them. Turkey will find it very hard to go it alone.

Try and remember that next time you feel like shouting about how Turkey's occupation of the north has some kind of permanence to it. It's only because you know that Turkey's grip on the north is so precarious that you're on here every day trying to convince others. Of course, what you are really doing here every day is, first of all, trying to convince yourself...

Are you being serious? if you are you are more stupid than I thought.

good point. anyone wasting time engaging seriously with an odious guttersnipe like u may indeed be stupid.

[Hermes]

good point. anyone wasting time engaging seriously with an odious guttersnipe like u may indeed be stupid.

Maybe Zoc. In my defence I was just trying to educate the buffoon. But it seems they bought VP books, they sent him to school, and what did he do? He ate the pages.

[Pyrpolizer]

Other New Countries

Thirteen other countries became independent through a variety of causes.

March 21, 1990 - Namibia became independent of South Africa.
May 22, 1990 - North and South Yemen merged to form a unified Yemen.
October 3, 1990 - East Germany and West Germany merged to form a unified Germany after the fall of the Iron Curtain.
September 17, 1991 - The Marshall Islands was part of the Trust Territory of Pacific Islands (administered by the United States) and gained independence as a former colony.
September 17, 1991 - Micronesia, previously known as the Caroline Islands, became independent from the United States.
January 1, 1993 - The Czech Republic and Slovakia became independent nations when Czechoslovakia dissolved.
May 25, 1993 - Eritrea was a part of Ethiopia but seceded and gained independence.
October 1, 1994 - Palau was part of the Trust Territory of Pacific Islands (administered by the United States) and gained independence as a former colony.
May 20, 2002 - East Timor (Timor-Leste) declared independence from Portugal in 1975 but did not became independent from Indonesia until 2002.
June 3, 2006 - Montenegro was part of Serbia and Montenegro (also known as Yugoslavia) but gained independence after a referendum.
June 5, 2006 - Serbia became its own entity after Montenegro split.
Febraury 17, 2008 - Kosovo unilaterally declared independence from Serbia.
July 9, 2011 - South Sudan peacefully seceded from Sudan following a January 2011 referendum. Sudan itself was the first to recognize South Sudan and did so one day early, on July 8, 2011.

If they can do it why not us?

In which one of those did they ethnically cleansed the native population stole their homes and lands and then established a pseudo-state waiting to get recognized?
You will NEVER get recognized, you will rather be replaced by settlers, and we will have a new issue with Turkey until she leaves.

[DTA]

If I miss things on this forum, it is because I am busy and have a life, I pop in and out of this forum and only really post if it is something that I feel strongly about.

Like I have said before we obviously dont get on, I dont reply to your comments unless you reply to mine - so for the sake of not arguing because its pointless and time consuming lets go back to not communicated with each other

but before I do look what I have done with your quote - please tell me which part of it is wrong:

The USA's creation was based on, Invasion and Occupation, Ethnic Cleansing, Human Rights violations, stolen property, Corruption, change of demographics by the flood of settlers, no Rule of Law for a long time

Trying to be a smart-ass is not going to get you anywhere fast, other than make yourself look very foolish, because you have just demonstrated by contradicting yourself, that what I wrote was in fact true. What happened in the USA before the establishment of the UN charter in 1945 is not the same as what happened in Cyprus in 1974 and since. Just one more important event you seem to have missed in trying to make a pathetic point. Perhaps you are more suited to debate with those on C44. They would think you are Einstein with your wealth of knowledge and the understanding you give towards the illegal and morally corrupted "trnc", or you can debate here without throwing hissy fit every five minutes. It's getting rather tiring in dealing with your "feminine side" emotions all the time. I hope I wasn't too insensitive to your feelings......................again?

Hurt my feelings? that is something you are incapable of kiks the reason I keep saying we should not talk is I don't like your attitude, you are a not very smart, extremely arrogant individual who I would guess is very lonely, and unfulfilled in your real life. If you wernt so arrogant I would actually feel sorry for you.

DTA,

You are full of opinions and you are entitle to them as you see them, no matter how distorted they may be, which they often are, because you do not know me from Adam and you ONLY know what I want you to know and nothing else. I have never ever stated what my intelligence is, but I get feedback from some of you people, specially by those who do not like what I have to say that I'm not as smart as I make out myself to be. I didn't make any such statement of how smart I am or not, so I don't know why you people keep bringing it up for. I have my opinions and I stick by them. If I'm wrong, then I would state it and make an apology. I am yet to make any apologies as far as can remember. My problem with you is, you get very emotional when others write their own opinions regarding the injustices, Fascism and Racism projected by the "trnc" on others, which you do not bother to question what so ever, other than few token displeasure here and there, but you are ready to throw hissy-fits on others who would dare to point out those institutionalized violations done by the "trnc". You want to be the "good" TCs and close your eyes and mind to these injustices and wrongs that are done by the "trnc", then be my guest, but don't expect me to agree with you nor prevent me from responding towards such wrongs. I'm not a "good" TC like you who tries very hard to be lemming and a sheep. I am my own person and I owe no allegiance to any institution that practices institutionalized Racism, Racism and Human Rights violations.

I don't want to correspond with you because to 'internet argue' with an individual such as your self is benief me - I don't want to know anything you have to say - your comments only annoy or bore me, you only get the attention you do on here because you are soo ridiculously bias in favour of the gcs who happen to be the majority on this website - which must give your sad existence some sense of small worth.

That's too bad, because I want to know what are your opinions and if they do not state facts as close as to the reality, I will make sure you will hear about it, regardless whether I will bore you with them or not. You do not want to respond to my posts, then don't. You want to support the "trnc" blindly, go ahead, but then don't come here pretending that you are a good Cypriot, because it would be a deception. You have not told us what is it that I support the GCs on. If my supporting of Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and the EU Principles to be the cornerstone of a BBF settlement under True Federation, then I must be a GC supporter. The question then is begged to be asked of you is, why aren't you since the EU is based on those principles, or do you want to be just a "good" TC and remain a lemming and a sheep. Tell me what is it that I support the GCs on that you disapprove of, which in your view are biased towards them and against the TCs interests.? It better be good or else expect to be hit over the head with it if it's not. The point is, I'm a Cypriot and I want the best for ALL Cypriots to live on an island which is part of the EU. The fact that I'm from the TC community is totally un important for me when it comes to whether I believe in the above values or not as I have stated. I do not let nationalism stand in my way of those values and Principles, regardless how many times you, the Partitionist, the Fascists, the Racists and anti EU principles supporters wish for me to do so. It isn't going to happen. You should be on my side if you believe in the above values and Principles. If you did,I promise you, it will not make you a GC sympathiser, but a true European.

So pretty please with sugar on top don't respond to me - I don't want to know.

Too bad for you, because you will hear from me, unless you want to post on C44, in which case, you won't hear from me.

On a personal note, I have nothing against you DTA. I don't have anything personal against anyone here on the forum for that matter, even VP. I just don't like some peoples moral values, their political ideology and Propaganda. Most of my posts are directed at those people. You should stop being a "good" TC by being a lemming and a sheep like most nationalists and start becoming a Great TC, by standing against institutionalized Racism, Fascism, Human Rights and International Law violations, regardless what hatred and mean spirited comments they may make about you. If you don't want to take my side, then take Bananiots side, which you seem to approve of him. Be like him and tell the wrongs you see that are being done by the "trnc" as he does with the RoC.

That's a long post kiks, I will only reply to two parts of it- you say I only know about you what you want me to:

you tell me lots with the way you react to certain things I put to you -it speaks volumes every sentence you type betrays you more than you will ever know.

You know your ridiculously bias towards the gcs, it's part of your game and I have no intention of playing it because it like you bore me.

[ZoC]

good point. anyone wasting time engaging seriously with an odious guttersnipe like u may indeed be stupid.

Maybe Zoc. In my defence I was just trying to educate the buffoon.

u'd have more joy teaching a goldfish to recite shakespeare.

But it seems they bought VP books, they sent him to school, and what did he do? He ate the pages.

that would certainly explain why his every post is nothing other than verbal diarrhea.

[Kikapu]

That's a long post kiks, I will only reply to two parts of it- you say I only know about you what you want me to:

you tell me lots with the way you react to certain things I put to you -it speaks volumes every sentence you type betrays you more than you will ever know.

You know your ridiculously bias towards the gcs, it's part of your game and I have no intention of playing it because it like you bore me.

Thank you for proving my point once again, that you cannot find any examples of me supporting anything to do with the GCs that would have a negative effects on the TCs. What I support is the Universal rights for Cyprus and all Cypriots as practiced in the EU, which are Democracy, Human Rights, International Law and now the EU principles. If you think I'm being biased towards these principles, then you are right, I am. If the GCs support these same principles also, even better. If you do not support these same Principles, then you must support Fascism, Racism, Human Rights violation, anti International Laws and anti EU Principles. You can stay the "good" TC and support the institutionalised violations of such Principles in the "trnc" or you can become the Great TC and support these same EU Principles. Don't forget DTA, that there were also many "good" Germans who also supported Hitler and his institutionalised violations of others Human Rights, but there were also some Great Germans who fought against those Institutionalised crimes, no matter what these people were labeled as. The choice is yours, and if you should choose to remain the "good" TC, then you will be on the wrong side of morality, if not history. I've chosen the other alternative, regardless how you choose see it. I do not owe any allegiance to anyone or anything who chooses to violate these Principles, specially in the 21st century.