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[Viewpoint]

The "trnc's" creation was based on, Invasion and Occupation, Ethnic Cleansing, Human Rights violations, UN Resolutions violations,, stolen property, Corruption, change of demographics by the flood of settlers, no Rule of Law, etc, etc, etc, and you people expect the north to act morally civilized.

This is true. As an unrecognised pariah state founded on looting and ethnic cleansing and run by the Turkish army and its criminal associates, the "TRNC" debases and corrupts anyone who has anything to do with it.

It's no surprise that the "TRNC" attracts the degenerate and the degraded: from the carpetbaggers looking to profit from other's losses - to the gangsters, gypsies and thieves who wash up there in search of something for nothing.

Truly, the "TRNC" is one of the most lawless and morally degrading places on earth and a fitting monument to the debauchery and perversion of Turkish nationalism.

Again pretty much like any other country.

[DTA]

I can't believe that there is even a discussion here. Why would anyone want to argue against their own sovereignty.

Maybe it's not as bad the original post has portrayed it but is it really that much better that someone feels the need to defend it? The situation in th north is frankly shit and if the GC's sit on their laurels and do nothing to improve their politics then it'll get worse in the south too.

But back on the topic of T/C's, as long as Turkey is protecting and bankrolling the north then Turkish Cypriots cannot and should not feel comofortable. Freedom really is worth fighting for.

To be honest yes it is a lot better than what is being described here, in fact what has been described here is far far away from the reality of what the trnc is. that doesnt mean it doesn't have it's problems but so does every nation on earth.

The "trnc's" creation was based on, Invasion and Occupation, Ethnic Cleansing, Human Rights violations, UN Resolutions violations,, stolen property, Corruption, change of demographics by the flood of settlers, no Rule of Law, etc, etc, etc, and you people expect the north to act morally civilized.

The "trnc" is no different than what the Wild West was in the 19th century USA .

You know nothing of the the trnc at all, have you ever been there if not please keep out of conversations within which you do not belong or have any base of knowledge in. I have only been to the south once, and I would never be so arrogant to say what it is like. But you pass comments on somewhere you have never been.

Unjustified arrogance is a curse - as we say: may it pass.

[EPSILON]

I can't believe that there is even a discussion here. Why would anyone want to argue against their own sovereignty.

Maybe it's not as bad the original post has portrayed it but is it really that much better that someone feels the need to defend it? The situation in th north is frankly shit and if the GC's sit on their laurels and do nothing to improve their politics then it'll get worse in the south too.

But back on the topic of T/C's, as long as Turkey is protecting and bankrolling the north then Turkish Cypriots cannot and should not feel comofortable. Freedom really is worth fighting for.

To be honest yes it is a lot better than what is being described here, in fact what has been described here is far far away from the reality of what the trnc is. that doesnt mean it doesn't have it's problems but so does every nation on earth.

The "trnc's" creation was based on, Invasion and Occupation, Ethnic Cleansing, Human Rights violations, UN Resolutions violations,, stolen property, Corruption, change of demographics by the flood of settlers, no Rule of Law, etc, etc, etc, and you people expect the north to act morally civilized.

The "trnc" is no different than what the Wild West was in the 19th century USA .

You know nothing of the the trnc at all, have you ever been there if not please keep out of conversations within which you do not belong or have any base of knowledge in. I have only been to the south once, and I would never be so arrogant to say what it is like. But you pass comments on somewhere you have never been.

Unjustified arrogance is a curse - as we say: may it pass.

Which means? be carefull -i hv been there 3 times!!!!

[Hermes]

Again pretty much like any other country.

Totally incorrect. The "TRNC" is not like any other country. It is not even a "country" as it is unrecognised. The international community has made a stand against the "TRNC" and declared it an illegal, pariah state. The UN has urged nations to have nothing to do with it. To not even recognise it as a "country".

The "TRNC" is outcast. It is beyond law, beyond acceptability. It cannot even be said to exist. The "TRNC" is persona non-grata. It is literally a place that is not welcome on the face of the earth. That is not "like any other country". It is like no country on earth. Literally.

[EPSILON]

Again pretty much like any other country.

Totally incorrect. The "TRNC" is not like any other country. It is not even a "country" as it is unrecognised. The international community has made a stand against the "TRNC" and declared it an illegal, pariah state. The UN has urged nations to have nothing to do with it. To not even recognise it as a "country".

The "TRNC" is outcast. It is beyond law, beyond acceptability. It cannot even be said to exist. The "TRNC" is persona non-grata. It is literally a place that is not welcome on the face of the earth. That is not "like any other country". It is like no country on earth. Literally.

UN -main provision: NO STATE CAN BE CREATED BY FORCE OF ARMS-

Clear and short.

[Kikapu]

I can't believe that there is even a discussion here. Why would anyone want to argue against their own sovereignty.

Maybe it's not as bad the original post has portrayed it but is it really that much better that someone feels the need to defend it? The situation in th north is frankly shit and if the GC's sit on their laurels and do nothing to improve their politics then it'll get worse in the south too.

But back on the topic of T/C's, as long as Turkey is protecting and bankrolling the north then Turkish Cypriots cannot and should not feel comofortable. Freedom really is worth fighting for.

To be honest yes it is a lot better than what is being described here, in fact what has been described here is far far away from the reality of what the trnc is. that doesnt mean it doesn't have it's problems but so does every nation on earth.

The "trnc's" creation was based on, Invasion and Occupation, Ethnic Cleansing, Human Rights violations, UN Resolutions violations,, stolen property, Corruption, change of demographics by the flood of settlers, no Rule of Law, etc, etc, etc, and you people expect the north to act morally civilized.

The "trnc" is no different than what the Wild West was in the 19th century USA .

You know nothing of the the trnc at all, have you ever been there if not please keep out of conversations within which you do not belong or have any base of knowledge in. I have only been to the south once, and I would never be so arrogant to say what it is like. But you pass comments on somewhere you have never been.

Unjustified arrogance is a curse - as we say: may it pass.

Oh, look who's out to defend the indefensible, the "trnc".

Which part of what I wrote is incorrect, DTA?

This is what VP said below. Why aren't you arguing with him, because VP agreed with me in what I wrote, or did you miss that, like you miss most things that are written on the forum.

Exactly the same all over the world.

[DTA]

I can't believe that there is even a discussion here. Why would anyone want to argue against their own sovereignty.

Maybe it's not as bad the original post has portrayed it but is it really that much better that someone feels the need to defend it? The situation in th north is frankly shit and if the GC's sit on their laurels and do nothing to improve their politics then it'll get worse in the south too.

But back on the topic of T/C's, as long as Turkey is protecting and bankrolling the north then Turkish Cypriots cannot and should not feel comofortable. Freedom really is worth fighting for.

To be honest yes it is a lot better than what is being described here, in fact what has been described here is far far away from the reality of what the trnc is. that doesnt mean it doesn't have it's problems but so does every nation on earth.

The "trnc's" creation was based on, Invasion and Occupation, Ethnic Cleansing, Human Rights violations, UN Resolutions violations,, stolen property, Corruption, change of demographics by the flood of settlers, no Rule of Law, etc, etc, etc, and you people expect the north to act morally civilized.

The "trnc" is no different than what the Wild West was in the 19th century USA .

You know nothing of the the trnc at all, have you ever been there if not please keep out of conversations within which you do not belong or have any base of knowledge in. I have only been to the south once, and I would never be so arrogant to say what it is like. But you pass comments on somewhere you have never been.

Unjustified arrogance is a curse - as we say: may it pass.

Which means? be carefull -i hv been there 3 times!!!!

Which means that your opinion would have more weight than his. Although I have a feeling you will be biased please tell me your opinion on the place.

[DTA]

I can't believe that there is even a discussion here. Why would anyone want to argue against their own sovereignty.

Maybe it's not as bad the original post has portrayed it but is it really that much better that someone feels the need to defend it? The situation in th north is frankly shit and if the GC's sit on their laurels and do nothing to improve their politics then it'll get worse in the south too.

But back on the topic of T/C's, as long as Turkey is protecting and bankrolling the north then Turkish Cypriots cannot and should not feel comofortable. Freedom really is worth fighting for.

To be honest yes it is a lot better than what is being described here, in fact what has been described here is far far away from the reality of what the trnc is. that doesnt mean it doesn't have it's problems but so does every nation on earth.

The "trnc's" creation was based on, Invasion and Occupation, Ethnic Cleansing, Human Rights violations, UN Resolutions violations,, stolen property, Corruption, change of demographics by the flood of settlers, no Rule of Law, etc, etc, etc, and you people expect the north to act morally civilized.

The "trnc" is no different than what the Wild West was in the 19th century USA .

You know nothing of the the trnc at all, have you ever been there if not please keep out of conversations within which you do not belong or have any base of knowledge in. I have only been to the south once, and I would never be so arrogant to say what it is like. But you pass comments on somewhere you have never been.

Unjustified arrogance is a curse - as we say: may it pass.

Oh look who out to defend the indefensible.

Which part of what I wrote is incorrect, DTA?

This is what VP said below. Why aren't you arguing with him, because VP agreed with me in what I wrote, or did you miss that, like you miss most things that are written on the forum.

Exactly the same all over the world.

If I miss things on this forum, it is because I am busy and have a life, I pop in and out of this forum and only really post if it is something that I feel strongly about.

Like I have said before we obviously dont get on, I dont reply to your comments unless you reply to mine - so for the sake of not arguing because its pointless and time consuming lets go back to not communicated with each other

but before I do look what I have done with your quote - please tell me which part of it is wrong:

The USA's creation was based on, Invasion and Occupation, Ethnic Cleansing, Human Rights violations, stolen property, Corruption, change of demographics by the flood of settlers, no Rule of Law for a long time

[Kikapu]

To be honest yes it is a lot better than what is being described here, in fact what has been described here is far far away from the reality of what the trnc is. that doesnt mean it doesn't have it's problems but so does every nation on earth.

The "trnc's" creation was based on, Invasion and Occupation, Ethnic Cleansing, Human Rights violations, UN Resolutions violations,, stolen property, Corruption, change of demographics by the flood of settlers, no Rule of Law, etc, etc, etc, and you people expect the north to act morally civilized.

The "trnc" is no different than what the Wild West was in the 19th century USA .

You know nothing of the the trnc at all, have you ever been there if not please keep out of conversations within which you do not belong or have any base of knowledge in. I have only been to the south once, and I would never be so arrogant to say what it is like. But you pass comments on somewhere you have never been.

Unjustified arrogance is a curse - as we say: may it pass.

Oh look who out to defend the indefensible.

Which part of what I wrote is incorrect, DTA?

This is what VP said below. Why aren't you arguing with him, because VP agreed with me in what I wrote, or did you miss that, like you miss most things that are written on the forum.

Exactly the same all over the world.

If I miss things on this forum, it is because I am busy and have a life, I pop in and out of this forum and only really post if it is something that I feel strongly about.

Like I have said before we obviously dont get on, I dont reply to your comments unless you reply to mine - so for the sake of not arguing because its pointless and time consuming lets go back to not communicated with each other

but before I do look what I have done with your quote - please tell me which part of it is wrong:

The USA's creation was based on, Invasion and Occupation, Ethnic Cleansing, Human Rights violations, stolen property, Corruption, change of demographics by the flood of settlers, no Rule of Law for a long time

Trying to be a smart-ass is not going to get you anywhere fast, other than make yourself look very foolish, because you have just demonstrated by contradicting yourself, that what I wrote was in fact true. What happened in the USA before the establishment of the UN charter in 1945 is not the same as what happened in Cyprus in 1974 and since. Just one more important event you seem to have missed in trying to make a pathetic point. Perhaps you are more suited to debate with those on C44. They would think you are Einstein with your wealth of knowledge and the understanding you give towards the illegal and morally corrupted "trnc", or you can debate here without throwing hissy fit every five minutes. It's getting rather tiring in dealing with your "feminine side" emotions all the time. I hope I wasn't too insensitive to your feelings......................again?

[Hermes]

The USA's creation was based on, Invasion and Occupation, Ethnic Cleansing, Human Rights violations, stolen property, Corruption, change of demographics by the flood of settlers, no Rule of Law for a long time

Since then humanity has developed a body of international law, conventions and institutions to protect the rights of sovereign nations and citizens against such injustice. You cannot defend the existence of the "TRNC" by appealing to human barbarism of the past and saying "Look how barbaric people once behaved. Therefore it's okay for us to be barbarians".

The whole point is that we should put the barbarism of the "trnc" and its awful creation behind us. Not use it as typical of human degradation at its historical worst and excuse it on those grounds.