halil wrote:with all antipropaganda means : North is getting better than what these lots are hoped.....very simple as this
DTA wrote:Where do you people get this shit from?
Does the trnc have it's problems - yes!
Is it anything like you have described - no way - not in anyway close.
Pyrpolizer wrote:Halil,
this is how a Kibrisli friend living in Morfou described me your relations with settlers.
He said
"You come home from work, you find someone in the house"
Doing what I asked?
"searching to find money or other things to steal"
And then I asked?
"he just walks out as if nothing happened"
"he is one of those dirty karasakalis"
Don't you call the police I asked
"the police?? The police are them you know the police is under the army, they never do anything against them".
Is that propaganda also my friend?
btw do you have any settlers at Krini?
Hermes wrote:The recent protests in the occupied areas exposed the resentment and hostility that underlies the relations between the T/Cs on one hand and the settlers and Turkey on the other. It's clear that many Turkish Cypriots are frightened of and detest the presence of the settlers. Many T/Cs are scared to go out at night in Nicosia for fear of being mugged or knifed. The settlers are also increasingly hostile and violent towards the T/Cs who they regard as their inferiors. They constantly remind the T/Cs that it is Turkey who governs the north. And it's not just left-leaning T/Cs who feel humiliated and under threat. T/Cs of all persuasions are treated as inferior and feel powerless. There is no doubt that T/Cs are now subordinate to the settlers who feel increasingly emboldened in the north.
T/Cs are also treated like dirt by the Turkish army who run the occupied areas as their personal fiefdom. Ordinary T/Cs endure life in a huge military camp. The brothels, casinos, coffee-shops and phone-shops of the occupied areas exist for the soldiers' benefit. The T/Cs are wary of the soldiers who rule, steal from them, repress them and even kill them without consequence. There is little they can do. The "police" in the north will always side with the settlers and soldiers.
Some elderly T/Cs actually recall the days of living side-by-side with the infidel Greeks as preferable to living alongside the fellahs (as they call the settlers). At least the infidels would lend them money when they were in financial difficulty or call them a doctor when they were sick. But the settlers will not do anything for them. Instead they take and steal from the T/Cs.
T/Cs have responded by emigrating en masse. The occupation authorities do nothing to prevent this as settlers are more easy to control, more suitable subjects of the regime. As more and more young T/Cs leave for Britain and Canada, T/Cs face the destruction of their culture. They have become the Last of the Mohicans. Indians on a Reservation. At least people will remember the Indians. But who will remember the Turkish Cypriots?
Viewpoint wrote:Sounds very similar to 1963 to 1974 when we were supposed to be sharing this island with GCs.
Hermes wrote:Viewpoint wrote:Sounds very similar to 1963 to 1974 when we were supposed to be sharing this island with GCs.
That's what I call an admission! So T/Cs are no better off under Turkish rule than they were in the 1960s?
Up to a point, VP. Turkish actions in the last three decades have resulted in isolation, economic ruin, cultural eradication and mass emigration. Even the most fanatical Greek nationalist couldn't have inflicted such an outcome on the Turkish Cypriots. You've got Turkey to thank for that!
Viewpoint wrote:Hermes wrote:Viewpoint wrote:Sounds very similar to 1963 to 1974 when we were supposed to be sharing this island with GCs.
That's what I call an admission! So T/Cs are no better off under Turkish rule than they were in the 1960s?
Up to a point, VP. Turkish actions in the last three decades have resulted in isolation, economic ruin, cultural eradication and mass emigration. Even the most fanatical Greek nationalist couldn't have inflicted such an outcome on the Turkish Cypriots. You've got Turkey to thank for that!
You are the one describing what you believe is a bad situation so I stated that it was what was inflicted on us by the GCs during 1960 to 1974, you can blame all and sundry but it takes a big man to admit his wrongs but we have seen this righteous attitude from GCs all our lives so we are fully aware that we will never hear the truth from GCs.
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