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[DTA]

I'm really curious as to why people feel they are foreigner sin the south.

By that question I don't mean to say that they should feel welcome but rather what factors make you feel like a foreigner?

I would love to identify if it's:
- a culture difference
- a religious difference
- lanaguage barrier
- bad vibes from GC's or aggressive posture
or anything else.

Maybe I can get on the bandwagon and support T/C's on this particular cause if GC's are being hostile in someway.

Unfortunately there have been a few attacks on TC owned cars. These incidents are then blown out of all proprtion by the press which have follow the official separatist line. I am sure these attacks are caused by extreme right wing organisations. I do not for one believe that this is a true representation of all GCs. When ever I travel to the south, especially to my home village I am greeted with open arms and tears. Being from a mixed village never bothered me or my family. La nguage was no barrier. As kids we communicated with each other, what language we used I have no idea.

It's not just attacks on cars is it though Deniz? Just from memory I can site the old man getting beaten up on a gc beach for being tc, the tc singer getting stabbed at the peace festival the Apoel fans decending on mass on a two tcs that went to a football match- and them cowering in their car- in fairness it was gcs that tried to talk the Apoel fans down.

This just from memory all within the last year and a bit and with me paying only passing attention, I'm sure there is a lot more and much more that is not reported.

On a more personal note one of my relatives went of over with a group to visit their lands in baf/paphos, she overal didn't have a bad experience but she said that as she was walking away from the coach an army man was aiming his gun at her - she is braver than me because she confronted him and said to him in Greek 'I am an old woman shame that you should point your gun at me' or something of that nature and he sheepishly left. She took it in her stride but when I heard about that I was furious.

most of my family that grew up in cyprus can speak fluent Greek so when they cross over they understand what is being said about them, or tc in general and there is a lot of let's just say non complementary stuff.

All this is not to say that their experiences when they have crossed over has been bad - it hasn't they caught up with old gc friends and generally had an ok time.

I have only crossed over once to south Nicosia, it felt very differnt to the trnc not in a bad or a good way, just differnt.

Yes I can confirm there are some vandalism on cars with license plates of the occupied. 99% of the times however when they are parked with nobody inside.And most of the times they belong to foreigners not Kibrislis.
There are simply people who cannot stomach been ethnically cleansed from the occupied, having their homes and properties been stolen... hence they react this way.
I wonder what would happen if that ethnic cleansing and stealing had occurred to the other side. From memory when in the 60s the Kibrisli side was suffering, one could not even enter their areas and get out of them ALIVE

I haven't heard of the other 2 incidents could anyone in the forum inform us?

As for the incident with the Army officer, I would like to know if ANYBODY has ever seen a soldier or an Army officer in the RoC holding a gun outside the army camp

I don't think you should be making excuses pyro that's bad form, the actions of these individuals are inexcusable and I condemn any tc with out reservation who commits similar acts.

As for the army man, that is what I was told and I believe her 100%

[Hermes]

There are simply people who cannot stomach been ethnically cleansed from the occupied, having their homes and properties been stolen... hence they react this way.

Considering the large number of visitors from the north who travel daily to the free areas it's testament to how remarkably tolerant G/Cs are that these incidents are so rare that people struggle to count more than a handful in several years. In other words, serious incidents are almost negligible considering that so many G/Cs are justifiably outraged by the continued occupation of their homeland.

[halil]

I was at the seaside today and there were a number of GCs families swimming in the sea, how do they feel now the tables are turned being the minority amongst TCs? as we were pre 1974....although we are much friendlier and GCs are allowed at all our beaches.

VP, it is not nice and constructive question to ask .... have a look positive signs of it as well...to feel safe and enjoy the life is verygood... it will help for us to share the island in peace and trust...it will also help to peoples of both sides to understand eachother and to understand eachother past mistakes.

7 years of interaction and we are no closer than we were when the border were closed, speaks volumes.

Because the problem was and still is not a few crossing on the Attila line.
As we already told you we don't like crossing to give you our money or enjoy what was stolen from us,neither to give you credit for demonstrating us what you made of the place and your creating your TrashNcan on it with thousands of illegal and hostile trashy settlers and thieves all around. even the foreigners you have there like British etc are the lowest scam of their kind...

Anything else you don't understand?

And Pyro wants me to believe his fake Cypriotism (Kibrisli) fantasy............u don't want to give your money to TC's .....good for u Pyro....U don't understand either the TC's Pyro ....keep on your hate .....we want sensible and understanable people around us re Pyro .....what we are having now is the results of the Cyprus problem....The Cyprus problem which we are having since 1963...............what we planted yesterday what we are getting today.........it is very easy way to blame others all the time .It is the easy way to find excuses ......

[Hermes]

you don't want to give your money to TC's .....good for u

Not T/Cs. The "TRNC". The point being that G/Cs operate both an official embargo of the "TRNC" through international sanctions and an unofficial embargo by individual citizens who are reluctant to do anything that would be seen as giving financial support to the occupation regime. As long as the occupation persists what do you seriously expect? That G/Cs will spend their money in the north propping up those who occupy their lands? Not bloody likely!

[Pyrpolizer]

I'm really curious as to why people feel they are foreigner sin the south.

By that question I don't mean to say that they should feel welcome but rather what factors make you feel like a foreigner?

I would love to identify if it's:
- a culture difference
- a religious difference
- lanaguage barrier
- bad vibes from GC's or aggressive posture
or anything else.

Maybe I can get on the bandwagon and support T/C's on this particular cause if GC's are being hostile in someway.

Unfortunately there have been a few attacks on TC owned cars. These incidents are then blown out of all proprtion by the press which have follow the official separatist line. I am sure these attacks are caused by extreme right wing organisations. I do not for one believe that this is a true representation of all GCs. When ever I travel to the south, especially to my home village I am greeted with open arms and tears. Being from a mixed village never bothered me or my family. La nguage was no barrier. As kids we communicated with each other, what language we used I have no idea.

It's not just attacks on cars is it though Deniz? Just from memory I can site the old man getting beaten up on a gc beach for being tc, the tc singer getting stabbed at the peace festival the Apoel fans decending on mass on a two tcs that went to a football match- and them cowering in their car- in fairness it was gcs that tried to talk the Apoel fans down.

This just from memory all within the last year and a bit and with me paying only passing attention, I'm sure there is a lot more and much more that is not reported.

On a more personal note one of my relatives went of over with a group to visit their lands in baf/paphos, she overal didn't have a bad experience but she said that as she was walking away from the coach an army man was aiming his gun at her - she is braver than me because she confronted him and said to him in Greek 'I am an old woman shame that you should point your gun at me' or something of that nature and he sheepishly left. She took it in her stride but when I heard about that I was furious.

most of my family that grew up in cyprus can speak fluent Greek so when they cross over they understand what is being said about them, or tc in general and there is a lot of let's just say non complementary stuff.

All this is not to say that their experiences when they have crossed over has been bad - it hasn't they caught up with old gc friends and generally had an ok time.

I have only crossed over once to south Nicosia, it felt very differnt to the trnc not in a bad or a good way, just differnt.

Yes I can confirm there are some vandalism on cars with license plates of the occupied. 99% of the times however when they are parked with nobody inside.And most of the times they belong to foreigners not Kibrislis.
There are simply people who cannot stomach been ethnically cleansed from the occupied, having their homes and properties been stolen... hence they react this way.
I wonder what would happen if that ethnic cleansing and stealing had occurred to the other side. From memory when in the 60s the Kibrisli side was suffering, one could not even enter their areas and get out of them ALIVE

I haven't heard of the other 2 incidents could anyone in the forum inform us?

As for the incident with the Army officer, I would like to know if ANYBODY has ever seen a soldier or an Army officer in the RoC holding a gun outside the army camp

I don't think you should be making excuses pyro that's bad form, the actions of these individuals are inexcusable and I condemn any tc with out reservation who commits similar acts.

As for the army man, that is what I was told and I believe her 100%

Actually I was stating the circumstances DTA without asking for the actions themselves to be excused. I asked for information about 2 serious incidents that I 've never heard-and I do live here you know- nobody so far nor you have given me any info.

As for what you were told and you believed 100%, I actually believe 0% and I gave the reasons.

[Pyrpolizer]

I was at the seaside today and there were a number of GCs families swimming in the sea, how do they feel now the tables are turned being the minority amongst TCs? as we were pre 1974....although we are much friendlier and GCs are allowed at all our beaches.

VP, it is not nice and constructive question to ask .... have a look positive signs of it as well...to feel safe and enjoy the life is verygood... it will help for us to share the island in peace and trust...it will also help to peoples of both sides to understand eachother and to understand eachother past mistakes.

7 years of interaction and we are no closer than we were when the border were closed, speaks volumes.

Because the problem was and still is not a few crossing on the Attila line.
As we already told you we don't like crossing to give you our money or enjoy what was stolen from us,neither to give you credit for demonstrating us what you made of the place and your creating your TrashNcan on it with thousands of illegal and hostile trashy settlers and thieves all around. even the foreigners you have there like British etc are the lowest scam of their kind...

Anything else you don't understand?

And Pyro wants me to believe his fake Cypriotism (Kibrisli) fantasy............u don't want to give your money to TC's .....good for u Pyro....U don't understand either the TC's Pyro ....keep on your hate .....we want sensible and understanable people around us re Pyro .....what we are having now is the results of the Cyprus problem....The Cyprus problem which we are having since 1963...............what we planted yesterday what we are getting today.........it is very easy way to blame others all the time .It is the easy way to find excuses ......

First of all dear Halil if it is our money that bothered you then be frank and say it loud that there is a huge portion among the Kibrislis (Plus all the settlers Plus your regime) that see the Kypreos as source of money- NOTHING ELSE.Jesus they even started imposing a fee on every Kypreos who visits Apostolos Andreas THEIR OWN ORTHODOX monastery. Who gave them those right?
Just imagine the RoC doing the same to you when visiting the Halal Sultan Tekke...

Let me give you another example: The first days after the opening of the gates the car insurance was 4 pounds for both sides. While they were not really covering the same things (the occupation regime car insurance actually covered almost nothing)- because your administration smelled money they raised it within a week to 15 pounds!!. After the RoC did the same your greedy administration realized they can't play the wise guys and dropped it down to 8. The RoC did the same...

Hundreds of other examples.

See my signature for what Kibrisli and Kypreos mean.

[repulsewarrior]

...i imagine those Cypriots, the "GC"s you are talking about, had an attachment to the land, vp. in many ways, if they are from a family of the displaced, they will feel like strangers anywhere else on the island, this to be Greek because there are "Turks" amongst the Turks, (and "Greeks" are no better).

...i have said it before, i am afraid to travel north for personal reason, because so many of my relatives were made to disappear, without closure it is plain and ordinary unsafe for me, and i know i will cry (because it is so beautiful), more drama, that will make it even more dangerous for me; although i would like to.

i encourage Cypriots to find each other, and exchange (amongst themselves) islandwide; this is the ground up swell which by our own acts we can resist the interlocutors who by controling the agenda socially/economically, keep us their subjects,apart; what all the interested parties are waiting for, a voice not "Greek" "Turk", and, the only one where political leaders expose themselves in reaction to this public expression, who will accept the People's Will in support of Universal Principals founded on respect, or they will find in this population opposition, and in this conciousness one way or the other we can provide ourselves a Governance where, as this island's dwellers, we are good stewards toward its Heritance. (nice dream, but seriously)

[Kikapu]

"come see TCs in their own environment"

Their "own"! The environment which is covered from end to end with Orthodox churches, Hellenistic monuments, GC graveyards. Hardly their "own".

I have not crossed and will not cross to the north. It happens to be the place where I grew up, in Famagusta, and I traveled extensively throughout the district as my father back then was an inspector of education and we had many friends over the whole district. My memories of that time are too precious to risk them in a visit to what has become a den of thieves and colonists.

But as a family we do have friends in the north who visit us in the south and I see them when I visit. They do not like it much either and they too cherish their memoried of their true "own" environment.

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Make up your mind or are you telling porkies??? do you or dont you visit the TRNC?

When Nikitas says he visits he means when he visits the govt controlled areas. Come on vp you're not that stupid, the man lives in Greece you know that.

Why should I know that, the statement is incomplete and he should have clarified where the fuck he visits.

Everybody else got it, except for you, VP, therefore my statement stands, that you do not fully comprehend the written English Language.

[denizaksulu]

I'm really curious as to why people feel they are foreigner sin the south.

By that question I don't mean to say that they should feel welcome but rather what factors make you feel like a foreigner?

I would love to identify if it's:
- a culture difference
- a religious difference
- lanaguage barrier
- bad vibes from GC's or aggressive posture
or anything else.

Maybe I can get on the bandwagon and support T/C's on this particular cause if GC's are being hostile in someway.

Unfortunately there have been a few attacks on TC owned cars. These incidents are then blown out of all proprtion by
the press which have follow the official separatist line. I am sure these attacks are caused by extreme right wing organisations. I do not for one believe that this is a true representation of all GCs. When ever I travel to the south, especially to my home village I am greeted with open arms and tears. Being from a mixed village never bothered me or my family. La nguage was no barrier. As kids we communicated with each other, what language we used I have no idea.

It's not just attacks on cars is it though Deniz? Just from memory I can site the old man getting beaten up
on a gc beach for being tc, the tc singer getting stabbed at the peace festival the Apoel fans decending on mass on a two tcs that went to a football match- and them cowering in their car- in fairness it was gcs that tried to talk the Apoel fans down.

This just from memory all within the last year and a bit and with me paying only passing attention, I'm sure there is a lot more and much more that is not reported.

On a more personal note one of my relatives went of over with a group to visit their lands in baf/paphos, she overal didn't have a bad experience but she said that as she was walking away from the coach an army man was aiming
his gun at her - she is braver than me because she confronted him and said to him in Greek 'I am an old woman shame that you should point your gun at me' or something of that nature and he sheepishly left. She took it in her stride but when I heard about that I was furious.

most of my family that grew up in cyprus can speak fluent Greek so when they cross over they understand what is being said about them, or tc in general and there is a lot of let's just say non complementary stuff.

All this is not to say that their experiences when they have crossed over has been bad - it hasn't they caught up with old gc friends and generally had an ok time.

I have only crossed over once to south Nicosia, it felt very differnt to the trnc not in a bad or a good way, just differnt.

Yes I can confirm there are some vandalism on cars with license plates of the occupied. 99% of the times however when they are parked with nobody inside.And most of the times they belong to foreigners not Kibrislis.
There are simply people who cannot stomach been ethnically cleansed from the occupied, having their homes and properties been stolen... hence they react this way.
I wonder what would happen if that ethnic cleansing and stealing had occurred to the other side. From memory when in the 60s the Kibrisli side was suffering, one could not even enter their areas and get out of them ALIVE

I haven't heard of the other 2 incidents could anyone in the forum inform us?

As for the incident with the Army officer, I would like to know if ANYBODY has ever seen a soldier or an Army officer in
the RoC holding a gun outside the army camp

I don't think you should be making excuses pyro that's bad form, the actions of these individuals are inexcusable and I condemn any tc with out reservation who commits similar acts.

As for the army man, that is what I was told and I believe her 100%

I am with you on this one DTA. People always want to justify or find excuses for their actions. I agree with Pyros assertion that no one likes their country invaded, the land and people ravaged; but statesmen like this only triggers off Piratis old worn out argument of who started first. This will get us nowhere Pyro. How can you forget the depravations suffered by the TC community prior to the unsuccessful attempt at Enosis by the Junta. You do not do justice to the many people who are of the same opinion as myself. As to DTA, he is the most misunderstood Turkish ' speaking' Cypriot here.

Best regards o my Cypriot brothers.

[Hermes]

People always want to justify or find excuses for their actions. I agree with Pyros assertion that no one likes their country invaded, the land and people ravaged; but statesmen like this only triggers off Piratis old worn out argument of who started first.

First, these incidents are extremely rare. A handful only - which given the thousands of crossings over several years is testament to the remarkable tolerance of G/Cs. Especially when you consider that our land in the north is under occupation.

Second, no-one is excusing any assault on visitors to the free areas. Most G/Cs are proud of how prosperous, cosmopolitan and tolerant the free areas have become. T/Cs should come and see what they are missing out on.

If a few hot-heads have reacted it's unusual but in a sense understandable. Things are not normal in Cyprus. Opening the crossings does not solve the issue of the occupation. Until Turkey leaves, then things will remain on edge. Turkey's presence in the north is a huge provocation in itself. That's the way it is. No point in kidding ourselves that the problem is anything but the result of the continuing occupation of our country.