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[Positive Vibe]

Unfortunately there have been a few attacks on TC owned cars. These incidents are then blown out of all proprtion by the press which have follow the official separatist line. I am sure these attacks are caused by extreme right wing organisations. I do not for one believe that this is a true representation of all GCs. When ever I travel to the south, especially to my home village I am greeted with open arms and tears. Being from a mixed village never bothered me or my family. La nguage was no barrier. As kids we communicated with each other, what language we used I have no idea.

That's a real fucking shame for sure. I hate extremism in all its forms and everyone should hate it too. There is nothing directly redeemable about extremism.

And I don't want people to get me wrong either as I believe:
- War can serve a good purpose.
- War can sometimes be part of the solution.
- Excercising political pressure no matter how harsh is a right of any soverign state.

As you can see I'm no pacifist. But the difference with my personal views above and that of extremism is that my views can be defended even under tight scrutiny, extremism however cannot.

TC's have every right to feel like victims when suffering vandalism (or worse) at the hands of extremist GC's. I'm sorry you live in a world where you had to see that garbage. As a citizen of RoC I apologise (I know it's not much but you should take solace from the fact that I am sincere in my regret).

[denizaksulu]

Unfortunately there have been a few attacks on TC owned cars. These incidents are then blown out of all proprtion by the press which have follow the official separatist line. I am sure these attacks are caused by extreme right wing organisations. I do not for one believe that this is a true representation of all GCs. When ever I travel to the south, especially to my home village I am greeted with open arms and tears. Being from a mixed village never bothered me or my family. La nguage was no barrier. As kids we communicated with each other, what language we used I have no idea.

That's a real fucking shame for sure. I hate extremism in all its forms and everyone should hate it too. There is nothing directly redeemable about extremism.

And I don't want people to get me wrong either as I believe:
- War can serve a good purpose.
- War can sometimes be part of the solution.
- Excercising political pressure no matter how harsh is a right of any soverign state

As you can see I'm no pacifist. But the difference with my personal views above and that of extremism is that my views can be defended even under tight scrutiny, extremism however cannot.

TC's have every right to feel like victims when suffering vandalism (or worse) at the hands of extremist GC's. I'm sorry you live in a world where you had to see that garbage. As a citizen of RoC I apologise (I know it's not much but you should take solace from the fact that I am sincere in my regret).

i appreciate your coments pv. i know these people are marginal, but there voice is loud. We have them both sides of the island.
Have a good day my friend.

[halil]

I was at the seaside today and there were a number of GCs families swimming in the sea, how do they feel now the tables are turned being the minority amongst TCs? as we were pre 1974....although we are much friendlier and GCs are allowed at all our beaches.

VP, it is not nice and constructive question to ask .... have a look positive signs of it as well...to feel safe and enjoy the life is verygood... it will help for us to share the island in peace and trust...it will also help to peoples of both sides to understand eachother and to understand eachother past mistakes.

[DTA]

I'm really curious as to why people feel they are foreigner sin the south.

By that question I don't mean to say that they should feel welcome but rather what factors make you feel like a foreigner?

I would love to identify if it's:
- a culture difference
- a religious difference
- lanaguage barrier
- bad vibes from GC's or aggressive posture
or anything else.

Maybe I can get on the bandwagon and support T/C's on this particular cause if GC's are being hostile in someway.

Unfortunately there have been a few attacks on TC owned cars. These incidents are then blown out of all proprtion by the press which have follow the official separatist line. I am sure these attacks are caused by extreme right wing organisations. I do not for one believe that this is a true representation of all GCs. When ever I travel to the south, especially to my home village I am greeted with open arms and tears. Being from a mixed village never bothered me or my family. La nguage was no barrier. As kids we communicated with each other, what language we used I have no idea.

It's not just attacks on cars is it though Deniz? Just from memory I can site the old man getting beaten up on a gc beach for being tc, the tc singer getting stabbed at the peace festival the Apoel fans decending on mass on a two tcs that went to a football match- and them cowering in their car- in fairness it was gcs that tried to talk the Apoel fans down.

This just from memory all within the last year and a bit and with me paying only passing attention, I'm sure there is a lot more and much more that is not reported.

On a more personal note one of my relatives went of over with a group to visit their lands in baf/paphos, she overal didn't have a bad experience but she said that as she was walking away from the coach an army man was aiming his gun at her - she is braver than me because she confronted him and said to him in Greek 'I am an old woman shame that you should point your gun at me' or something of that nature and he sheepishly left. She took it in her stride but when I heard about that I was furious.

most of my family that grew up in cyprus can speak fluent Greek so when they cross over they understand what is being said about them, or tc in general and there is a lot of let's just say non complementary stuff.

All this is not to say that their experiences when they have crossed over has been bad - it hasn't they caught up with old gc friends and generally had an ok time.

I have only crossed over once to south Nicosia, it felt very differnt to the trnc not in a bad or a good way, just differnt.

[denizaksulu]

Thanks DTA. I do not forget either, esp the incidents you mentioned. I was pointing out the extremists and what they are capable of doing to the detriment of peace. As to the soldier, he got his just deserts. What do you xpect when they train (allegedy) shouting, kalos Tourkos, nekros Tourkos. The military often brainwash young impressionable minds into fanaticism. Do they still show the Barbarlik Muzesi to young recruits in the north? I hope you get my drift. This day and age why still instil hatred? We know why DTA, dont we. Regards.

[Viewpoint]

"come see TCs in their own environment"

Their "own"! The environment which is covered from end to end with Orthodox churches, Hellenistic monuments, GC graveyards. Hardly their "own".

I have not crossed and will not cross to the north. It happens to be the place where I grew up, in Famagusta, and I traveled extensively throughout the district as my father back then was an inspector of education and we had many friends over the whole district. My memories of that time are too precious to risk them in a visit to what has become a den of thieves and colonists.

But as a family we do have friends in the north who visit us in the south and I see them when I visit. They do not like it much either and they too cherish their memoried of their true "own" environment.

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Make up your mind or are you telling porkies??? do you or dont you visit the TRNC?

When Nikitas says he visits he means when he visits the govt controlled areas. Come on vp you're not that stupid, the man lives in Greece you know that.

Why should I know that, the statement is incomplete and he should have clarified where the fuck he visits.

[Viewpoint]

I was at the seaside today and there were a number of GCs families swimming in the sea, how do they feel now the tables are turned being the minority amongst TCs? as we were pre 1974....although we are much friendlier and GCs are allowed at all our beaches.

VP, it is not nice and constructive question to ask .... have a look positive signs of it as well...to feel safe and enjoy the life is verygood... it will help for us to share the island in peace and trust...it will also help to peoples of both sides to understand eachother and to understand eachother past mistakes.

7 years of interaction and we are no closer than we were when the border were closed, speaks volumes.

[Pyrpolizer]

I'm really curious as to why people feel they are foreigner sin the south.

By that question I don't mean to say that they should feel welcome but rather what factors make you feel like a foreigner?

I would love to identify if it's:
- a culture difference
- a religious difference
- lanaguage barrier
- bad vibes from GC's or aggressive posture
or anything else.

Maybe I can get on the bandwagon and support T/C's on this particular cause if GC's are being hostile in someway.

Unfortunately there have been a few attacks on TC owned cars. These incidents are then blown out of all proprtion by the press which have follow the official separatist line. I am sure these attacks are caused by extreme right wing organisations. I do not for one believe that this is a true representation of all GCs. When ever I travel to the south, especially to my home village I am greeted with open arms and tears. Being from a mixed village never bothered me or my family. La nguage was no barrier. As kids we communicated with each other, what language we used I have no idea.

It's not just attacks on cars is it though Deniz? Just from memory I can site the old man getting beaten up on a gc beach for being tc, the tc singer getting stabbed at the peace festival the Apoel fans decending on mass on a two tcs that went to a football match- and them cowering in their car- in fairness it was gcs that tried to talk the Apoel fans down.

This just from memory all within the last year and a bit and with me paying only passing attention, I'm sure there is a lot more and much more that is not reported.

On a more personal note one of my relatives went of over with a group to visit their lands in baf/paphos, she overal didn't have a bad experience but she said that as she was walking away from the coach an army man was aiming his gun at her - she is braver than me because she confronted him and said to him in Greek 'I am an old woman shame that you should point your gun at me' or something of that nature and he sheepishly left. She took it in her stride but when I heard about that I was furious.

most of my family that grew up in cyprus can speak fluent Greek so when they cross over they understand what is being said about them, or tc in general and there is a lot of let's just say non complementary stuff.

All this is not to say that their experiences when they have crossed over has been bad - it hasn't they caught up with old gc friends and generally had an ok time.

I have only crossed over once to south Nicosia, it felt very differnt to the trnc not in a bad or a good way, just differnt.

Yes I can confirm there are some vandalism on cars with license plates of the occupied. 99% of the times however when they are parked with nobody inside.And most of the times they belong to foreigners not Kibrislis.
There are simply people who cannot stomach been ethnically cleansed from the occupied, having their homes and properties been stolen... hence they react this way.
I wonder what would happen if that ethnic cleansing and stealing had occurred to the other side. From memory when in the 60s the Kibrisli side was suffering, one could not even enter their areas and get out of them ALIVE

I haven't heard of the other 2 incidents could anyone in the forum inform us?

As for the incident with the Army officer, I would like to know if ANYBODY has ever seen a soldier or an Army officer in the RoC holding a gun outside the army camp

[Pyrpolizer]

I was at the seaside today and there were a number of GCs families swimming in the sea, how do they feel now the tables are turned being the minority amongst TCs? as we were pre 1974....although we are much friendlier and GCs are allowed at all our beaches.

VP, it is not nice and constructive question to ask .... have a look positive signs of it as well...to feel safe and enjoy the life is verygood... it will help for us to share the island in peace and trust...it will also help to peoples of both sides to understand eachother and to understand eachother past mistakes.

7 years of interaction and we are no closer than we were when the border were closed, speaks volumes.

Because the problem was and still is not a few crossing on the Attila line.
As we already told you we don't like crossing to give you our money or enjoy what was stolen from us,neither to give you credit for demonstrating us what you made of the place and your creating your TrashNcan on it with thousands of illegal and hostile trashy settlers and thieves all around. even the foreigners you have there like British etc are the lowest scam of their kind...

Anything else you don't understand?

[ZoC]

I was at the seaside today and there were a number of GCs families swimming in the sea, how do they feel now the tables are turned being the minority amongst TCs? as we were pre 1974....although we are much friendlier and GCs are allowed at all our beaches.

VP, it is not nice and constructive question to ask .... have a look positive signs of it as well...to feel safe and enjoy the life is verygood... it will help for us to share the island in peace and trust...it will also help to peoples of both sides to understand eachother and to understand eachother past mistakes.

7 years of interaction and we are no closer than we were when the border were closed, speaks volumes.

who wants to get anywhere near u. u stink volumes.