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[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint...The settlers outnumber YOU. You won't be alive to see it (in which case, you'll probably come back and state you don't care), but the TC as you know it will cease to exist. The GC will always exist because we're not outnubered - and won't be outnumbered - by anyone. Are you pleased that clinging on to Mother Turkeys apron strings will see you erased from the planet? Turkey is like Nazi Germany - anihilating a people and there's nothing you can do about it.

We are Turkish in origin so assimilation as new generation Tcs will occur, but if Turkey enters the EU like Kikapu says for a unitary state you Gcs will be next....they will outnumber you people and marry your children, end of GCs.

[Viewpoint]

You are not compromising here we are being asked to.

Wrong way of looking at it. What you need to consider is what would be acceptable to both parties. Now given that a Turkish guarantee over any of the island's affairs is unacceptable to the G/Cs you then have to consider what the next best solution would be.

Like I say, go away and think about it then you come back to my proposal of an external force such as the OSCE (of which Turkey is a member) that would enforce any settlement at the outset and guarantee the security of both parties.

It's really not that difficult.

This is a red line for us you want to eradicate our security and replace it with something that doesnt work, placing us in danger....this will never be accepted by the majority of TCs you need to rethink, you have the OSCE and we have Turkey.

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint...Your mum lived with who? 'You people'? What the f*ck is that supposed to mean? There's a fear factor going anywhere you don't call 'home'. Anybody's mum would tell their kids to be careful doing anything. Going to the shops? Be careful. Going to work? Be careful. That's a generalisation (again on your part) that's unfair. Are all GC's the same to you?

You people means you Gcs, the point is she knows Gcs far better than me yet still doesnt trust them, must be a reason for her concern dont you think.

Be careful used casually is very different to a situation where your family do not want you to go south but cannot stop you, its not like going to the supermarket the fear factor forced people to be more concerned that normal. Why are you struggling to come to terms with the idea that we do not feel safe and are very apprehensive when we travel among GCs in the south.


The British army took EOKA guns and put GC's under curfew - they left the TC's armed, on the prowl and backed up by the Britsh army itself. No matter the number of GC's, under those conditions, the TC's would be unstoppable. Look at the numbers in any major war - Greece vs. Italy (Greece heavily outnumbered but beat the Italians); Germany vs. England (Germany couldn't take England); the USA vs. Korea/Vietnam/Afghanistan (all defeats for the USA); the MExican army vs. the Texans (Battle of the Alamo). Numbers has nothing to do with it.

You obviously not spoken to people who lived through that era so debating this is pointless, do you really think we should have sided with eoka and fought for enosis?

You didn't answer the question - so I presume you know where I'm going with it. My point is, how do GC's know who you are if you visit the south? You and your wife are scared visitng the south, but nobody knows who you are unless you both wear T-shirts with "I love Turkey" and "F*ck the EOKA" on them!

We speak and drive different number plated cars, plus Gcs still have a lot of animosity in them which you support, they can spot us a mile off

[Mapko]

Viewpoint...I know who you meant, I wnated to know what you meant. If a white person calls a black 'You people', it's taken as being racist. Why doesn't your mum trust GC's? Is it because she's been forced-fed a load of rubbish from the media? I'm sure she had some GC friends when the country was whole or has she always hated them?

I'm not stating you should have sided with the EOKA - although, in a way, you should have done. The EOKA wasn't created to rid the island of TC's - it was created to rid the island of the Brits. You were coerced to fight on the Brits side for fear of Enosis which wasn't in the GC's minds.

I struggle to understand why you don't feel safe when walking about. You do get out of your car, don't you? You could see a group of people and not know if they were GC or TC or Greek or Turk, couldn't you? You don't have to talk to anybody when you go out walking, do you? So, all in all, your anxiety is borne out of ignorance, prejudice and racism.

I have animosity towards TC's because of accounts I've read, but that doesn't stop me from pointing out TC's who helped the GC's (though they are extremely rare) - there is only one case I know of and that's the high-ranking police officer who lived on a cul-de-sac, hid his GC neighbours and blocked off the cul-de-sac.

[Pyrpolizer]

I said that it was gc propaganda that tries to make out that dentash threatened the tcs in the south to move north- there is a big difference.

Btw - Now that I told you about some of my people in bmws and mercedes - what is the point of you were trying to make?

Listen, it was an order from the Turkish Army actually (It was not me who mentioned Denktash) however the Denktash administration undertook the execution by sending messengers to those who refused to abide. until TODAY there are people who refused to move and a warrant is waiting for them at the occupied.

As for the rest of your questions here are some FACTS which may not be 100% accurate but will help you figure out my original point, that as a rule of thumb those who live in luxury in the occupied are the Denktashes people, who (together with their master) have looted the properties of the Kypreoi.

a)The number of the REAL kibrislis left in the occupied is about 80-90,000
b)Out of those about 1/3, 27,000 i.e are public servants.They are paid well but in general are not living in luxury .
c)6,000 were crossing every day for work in the RoC because they were unemployed. Together with their families they account for another 20-24,000 .Also them not living in luxury.
d)Add at least another 3,000 unemployed who together with their families may account for another 12,000

Calculate everything and figure out what's left and who are really doing ANY work in the occupied and how come a number of them are living in luxury which is not in line with their incomes/or their jobs.

Here my friend (and especially in the occupied) IS NOT ENGLAND where by working hard you can make it. Those who make it that way are a miniscule percentage...

Like I told you my Kibrisli friend (in fact the one who told me this rule of thumb) is a LAWYER, like your girlfriend.I know very well how he stands economically.
The other one of my kibrisli friends is a Dentist. I know his economic status too.

You didn't mention dentash but jumped on my post in reply to some one who did, and still have not been able to show me anything I have said that is not accurate.

As for finally explaining what the he'll you are talking about re BMW and mercedes that is very poor.

Your figures are far from accurate so don't warent any serious consideration- if you think there are only 90,000 tc in the trnc then - what can I say to that it's too far awayfro
Reality to even argue.

And as for saying you have a tc friend who is a lawyer and another one is dentist and they are not payed well, like that proves something?????? are all lawyers and dentist paid the same in the south then? How very marxist of you guys, I'm impressed.

if my figures are far from accurate then why don't you tell us your accurate figures?
And please don't pass me those "official" censuses that were first cooked in Turkey for several months before they became "official".

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint...I know who you meant, I wnated to know what you meant. If a white person calls a black 'You people', it's taken as being racist. Why doesn't your mum trust GC's? Is it because she's been forced-fed a load of rubbish from the media? I'm sure she had some GC friends when the country was whole or has she always hated them?

Take it how you wish as it doesn't really concern me, to me you people are the ones living on the other side of the divide full stop. My mum had GC neighbors but shes still doesn't trust them due to the past, you'd have to ask her about the details im sure she has plenty to tell you my fatherinlaw who is over 75 also has the same outlook.

I'm not stating you should have sided with the EOKA - although, in a way, you should have done. The EOKA wasn't created to rid the island of TC's - it was created to rid the island of the Brits. You were coerced to fight on the Brits side for fear of Enosis which wasn't in the GC's minds.

Your credibility has been shot to pieces.

I struggle to understand why you don't feel safe when walking about. You do get out of your car, don't you? You could see a group of people and not know if they were GC or TC or Greek or Turk, couldn't you? You don't have to talk to anybody when you go out walking, do you? So, all in all, your anxiety is borne out of ignorance, prejudice and racism.

I dont know how else I can explain this to you, if Gcs are full of animosity and just waiting to explode at the first Tcs they find can you understand the real danger...the past is another fact which influences people psychology into a state of apprehension and fear.

I have animosity towards TC's because of accounts I've read, but that doesn't stop me from pointing out TC's who helped the GC's (though they are extremely rare) - there is only one case I know of and that's the high-ranking police officer who lived on a cul-de-sac, hid his GC neighbours and blocked off the cul-de-sac.

What you are saying really backs up my above claim that due to past experiences neither side trusts the other nor do they feel safe while visiting north and south.

[Pyrpolizer]

Then hermes we have an impasse no solution.

As if you are the negotiator of the Turkish side!!

VP, listen:The issues of security/guarantee etc will be decided on a broad meeting after ALL other issues regarding the Cyprus problem have been agreed.In that meeting there will be Britain, Greece, Turkey, the 2 Cypriot leaders, EU and UN representatives. Whatever the result of that meeting both us and you will vote YES. There is a good possibility that there won't be any Turkish or Greek guarantees.

[Viewpoint]

Then hermes we have an impasse no solution.

As if you are the negotiator of the Turkish side!!

VP, listen:The issues of security/guarantee etc will be decided on a broad meeting after ALL other issues regarding the Cyprus problem have been agreed.In that meeting there will be Britain, Greece, Turkey, the 2 Cypriot leaders, EU and UN representatives. Whatever the result of that meeting both us and you will vote YES. There is a good possibility that there won't be any Turkish or Greek guarantees.

Then I will vote NO.

[B25]

Then hermes we have an impasse no solution.

As if you are the negotiator of the Turkish side!!

VP, listen:The issues of security/guarantee etc will be decided on a broad meeting after ALL other issues regarding the Cyprus problem have been agreed.In that meeting there will be Britain, Greece, Turkey, the 2 Cypriot leaders, EU and UN representatives. Whatever the result of that meeting both us and you will vote YES. There is a good possibility that there won't be any Turkish or Greek guarantees.

Then I will vote NO.

Turks are not allowed a vote!

Sod off madam.

[Hermes]

Then hermes we have an impasse no solution.

As if you are the negotiator of the Turkish side!!

VP, listen:The issues of security/guarantee etc will be decided on a broad meeting after ALL other issues regarding the Cyprus problem have been agreed.In that meeting there will be Britain, Greece, Turkey, the 2 Cypriot leaders, EU and UN representatives. Whatever the result of that meeting both us and you will vote YES. There is a good possibility that there won't be any Turkish or Greek guarantees.

Then I will vote NO.

And once a solution is approved without a Turkish guarantee? What will you do then? Go and live in Turkey? Because really that is your best option if you don't trust the G/Cs.