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[Viewpoint]

You say Tcs want to rid of Turkeys security guarantees, would you accept a referendum on that issue? if the TCs voted yes to wanting guarantees to remain would you accept their call?

[Kikapu]

You say Tcs want to rid of Turkeys security guarantees, would you accept a referendum on that issue? if the TCs voted yes to wanting guarantees to remain would you accept their call?

I said the TCs want to be free from Turkey's control, so yes, lets have a referendum of the TCs, if they wish to be controlled by Turkey or by the EU Principles, only the votes must be cast in the RoC, just so that the TC won't be intimidated by the fascists, the settlers and the Turkish Troops in the north. Let a multi national organization hold the referendum and the vote counting, but only to be done in the RoC and not in the north.

Turkey has not right to offer the TCs any guarantees and security at all unilaterally. Turkey was only suppose to provide those services those for ALL Cypriots and for Cyprus. She has failed to live up to her part of the agreement, so her services are no longer required, nor are they any longer necessary or even legal in the EU. She can be a good neighbour with good economic ties to the whole island, but that's about it.

[Viewpoint]

You say Tcs want to rid of Turkeys security guarantees, would you accept a referendum on that issue? if the TCs voted yes to wanting guarantees to remain would you accept their call?

I said the TCs want to be free from Turkey's control, so yes, lets have a referendum of the TCs, if they wish to be controlled by Turkey or by the EU Principles, only the votes must be cast in the RoC, just so that the TC won't be intimidated by the fascists, the settlers and the Turkish Troops in the north. Let a multi national organization hold the referendum and the vote counting, but only to be done in the RoC and not in the north.

Turkey has not right to offer the TCs any guarantees and security at all unilaterally. Turkey was only suppose to provide those services those for ALL Cypriots and for Cyprus. She has failed to live up to her part of the agreement, so her services are no longer required, nor are they any longer necessary or even legal in the EU. She can be a good neighbour with good economic ties to the whole island, but that's about it.

Arent you contradicting yourself again???

Do you accept the results of the TCs referendum held by the UN? if they say they want the guarantees of Turkey will you accept it?

[Pyrpolizer]

You say Tcs want to rid of Turkeys security guarantees, would you accept a referendum on that issue? if the TCs voted yes to wanting guarantees to remain would you accept their call?

I said the TCs want to be free from Turkey's control, so yes, lets have a referendum of the TCs, if they wish to be controlled by Turkey or by the EU Principles, only the votes must be cast in the RoC, just so that the TC won't be intimidated by the fascists, the settlers and the Turkish Troops in the north. Let a multi national organization hold the referendum and the vote counting, but only to be done in the RoC and not in the north.

Turkey has not right to offer the TCs any guarantees and security at all unilaterally. Turkey was only suppose to provide those services those for ALL Cypriots and for Cyprus. She has failed to live up to her part of the agreement, so her services are no longer required, nor are they any longer necessary or even legal in the EU. She can be a good neighbour with good economic ties to the whole island, but that's about it.

Arent you contradicting yourself again???

Do you accept the results of the TCs referendum held by the UN? if they say they want the guarantees of Turkey will you accept it?

As if they wouldn't accept the Anan Plan if the Guarantees were out

[DTA]

I said that it was gc propaganda that tries to make out that dentash threatened the tcs in the south to move north- there is a big difference.

Btw - Now that I told you about some of my people in bmws and mercedes - what is the point of you were trying to make?

[Hermes]

Turkey has not right to offer the TCs any guarantees and security at all unilaterally. Turkey was only suppose to provide those services those for ALL Cypriots and for Cyprus. She has failed to live up to her part of the agreement, so her services are no longer required, nor are they any longer necessary or even legal in the EU. She can be a good neighbour with good economic ties to the whole island, but that's about it.

Exactly. Turkey's actions since 1974 have destroyed its credibility as a "guarantor" of the island's security. The island is now in the EU which provides all the necessary guarantees the island needs. Turkey, by its actions, has undermined any role it claimed for itself as a "guarantor". Quite the opposite, Turkey has proved itself the biggest threat to the island's independence. It cannot claim any role in the island's future security. The best guarantee for the island is Turkish withdrawal and a guarantee of Turkish non-intervention in the island's future affairs.

[Pyrpolizer]

I said that it was gc propaganda that tries to make out that dentash threatened the tcs in the south to move north- there is a big difference.

Btw - Now that I told you about some of my people in bmws and mercedes - what is the point of you were trying to make?

Listen, it was an order from the Turkish Army actually (It was not me who mentioned Denktash) however the Denktash administration undertook the execution by sending messengers to those who refused to abide. until TODAY there are people who refused to move and a warrant is waiting for them at the occupied.

As for the rest of your questions here are some FACTS which may not be 100% accurate but will help you figure out my original point, that as a rule of thumb those who live in luxury in the occupied are the Denktashes people, who (together with their master) have looted the properties of the Kypreoi.

a)The number of the REAL kibrislis left in the occupied is about 80-90,000
b)Out of those about 1/3, 27,000 i.e are public servants.They are paid well but in general are not living in luxury .
c)6,000 were crossing every day for work in the RoC because they were unemployed. Together with their families they account for another 20-24,000 .Also them not living in luxury.
d)Add at least another 3,000 unemployed who together with their families may account for another 12,000

Calculate everything and figure out what's left and who are really doing ANY work in the occupied and how come a number of them are living in luxury which is not in line with their incomes/or their jobs.

Here my friend (and especially in the occupied) IS NOT ENGLAND where by working hard you can make it. Those who make it that way are a miniscule percentage...

Like I told you my Kibrisli friend (in fact the one who told me this rule of thumb) is a LAWYER, like your girlfriend.I know very well how he stands economically.
The other one of my kibrisli friends is a Dentist. I know his economic status too.

[Mapko]

Viewpoint...A couple of things I wanted to add, but didn't get the chance when they came about.

1. If the south is such a sh*tty place, why do so many Turks come down?
2. I'll return the question to you - how to the TC's feel when they visit the RoC?

(Apologies if these have already been asked/answered).

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint...A couple of things I wanted to add, but didn't get the chance when they came about.

1. If the south is such a sh*tty place, why do so many Turks come down?
2. I'll return the question to you - how to the TC's feel when they visit the RoC?

(Apologies if these have already been asked/answered).

Answers:

Firstly Turks are not allowed in the south.

1. TCs visit for something to do, or the excitement of living dangerously among your enemy.

2. Like apprehensive foreigners.

[Viewpoint]

Turkey has not right to offer the TCs any guarantees and security at all unilaterally. Turkey was only suppose to provide those services those for ALL Cypriots and for Cyprus. She has failed to live up to her part of the agreement, so her services are no longer required, nor are they any longer necessary or even legal in the EU. She can be a good neighbour with good economic ties to the whole island, but that's about it.

Exactly. Turkey's actions since 1974 have destroyed its credibility as a "guarantor" of the island's security. The island is now in the EU which provides all the necessary guarantees the island needs. Turkey, by its actions, has undermined any role it claimed for itself as a "guarantor". Quite the opposite, Turkey has proved itself the biggest threat to the island's independence. It cannot claim any role in the island's future security. The best guarantee for the island is Turkish withdrawal and a guarantee of Turkish non-intervention in the island's future affairs.

Thats your viewpoint, what about mine?