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[Pyrpolizer]

When you asked me what I thought of my people I honestly took it to mean my people in general, that's why I answered.

As for my people with mercedes and bmws- what does that mean?

My girlfriend drives a BMW - she is a lawyer
Her dad drives one he is a dentist
My dads cousin's husband (who i call my uncle) who lost everthing in the south and was given one house and five dunums
Of land despite having at least 20 times that amount in the south.
could now through hard work buy a fleet of them if he wanted to, and has brought his son an x6

He also told te gcs that came to see their old house that whenever they are ready they can come and he will return their house- as it has always been theirs

So i really don't understand where your coming from?

It means those living in Cyprus man, in the occupied tsk tsk tsk...
Not your girlfriend in LONDON!

My girlfriend is a lawyer in Cyprus, she drives a BMW in Cyprus so????

And you live in LONDON!! Great!
Could you please ask your girlfriend whether she could employ my Kibrisli friend he is also a lawyer at his 50s and he can hardly make a living.

[Viewpoint]

Thats your personal opinion and not a fact...the EU laws will in noway stop assimilation into the GC majority, please point out what the differences would be between if you can that would stop assimilation?

Laws against discrimination won't in themselves ensure the survival of the T/Cs. T/Cs will have to become viable partners to flourish as a successful community in Cyprus. They'll have to work hard and compete in order to thrive. It won't be easy. But at least they'll get a chance.

For a start they'll have a political stake in a unified state, a say in the running of the country and a degree of autonomy. Plus there's going to be a lot of wealth and opportunities in the energy and shipping sectors if predictions are true and Cyprus becomes an important energy hub to Europe.

Now if you can't make a go of it from that basis then you don't deserve to survive. Don't wait too long to decide though...

What's the choice? In the north, the T/Cs have voted with their feet and left the island in droves. Can you blame them? Do the majority of T/Cs have any say in the running of the north's affairs? What future has Turkey offered them? Isolation, marginilisation, corruption, more settlers and the destruction of their culture. That's the reality.

What you offer is to vague and general, the majority can manipulate and discriminate against a minority all under the flag of democracy add to this the very high level of mistrust between the two sides and you have a formula for disaster, there needs to be concrete guarantees and deterrents to make sure both side do not try to dominate or control the other. We have experienced very bad times with gcs and only over the past 37 years have we arrived at self worth and feeling of belonging and most of security.

What we offer may be vague, but isn't that better than the certainty of annihilation with Turkey?

No, why do you say that,you hate Turkey and see them as your only enemy, we dont as we are part Turkish so jumping out of the fat into the fire is not a very good idea, we need more concrete guarantees and deteerents.

[Pyrpolizer]

I know for a fact there were tcs post 74 that were forced from their homes at gunpoint by gc/ Greek solders - so the whole dentash threatened to kill anyone that didnt move north is bullshit propaganda that you have obviously brought into.

As for it starting in the 50s - yeah well we didnt fancy joining Greece - we were not down with them - but we agreed to share the island with the gcs in 1960. And that lasted 3 years.

Hence my comment from 1963- you see it all makes sense if you take of the blinkers.

What do you mean post 1974? When exactly? In August, in September October,November December?
Do you at least know when exactly about half the Kibrisli population moved North? Man we are talking for 60-70000 people here, do you know or just just spout hearsay stories? And since you talk about threads at gunpoint there should have been some who refused and were killed. How many where they and WHEN??

One member of my family and a member of my girlfriends family told me that happened, im going to believe them before you. Also when I posed this question on the board before other tcs came forward and said that knew of others who experienced the same thing. But I guess none of that is good enough for you, so step up and prove it was dentash who threatened people and made them move north.

60-70,000 people did not move at gun point and I can prove it to you, therefore it is you who throws away bullshit propaganda and avoids even telling us when exactly the few people he knows have moved.
Answer the questions I asked before, if you want me to continue.

Where did I say that ALL 70,000 tcs that left the south had to do it at gun point?

You did turn down the argument that MOST of those moved upon orders coming from your side, telling us that is bullshit propaganda.You then went on to say that people you know just left at gun point POST 1974 without telling us when.

[Viewpoint]

they were shit scared for their lives.

[Kikapu]

Thats your personal opinion and not a fact...the EU laws will in noway stop assimilation into the GC majority, please point out what the differences would be between if you can that would stop assimilation?

Laws against discrimination won't in themselves ensure the survival of the T/Cs. T/Cs will have to become viable partners to flourish as a successful community in Cyprus. They'll have to work hard and compete in order to thrive. It won't be easy. But at least they'll get a chance.

For a start they'll have a political stake in a unified state, a say in the running of the country and a degree of autonomy. Plus there's going to be a lot of wealth and opportunities in the energy and shipping sectors if predictions are true and Cyprus becomes an important energy hub to Europe.

Now if you can't make a go of it from that basis then you don't deserve to survive. Don't wait too long to decide though...

What's the choice? In the north, the T/Cs have voted with their feet and left the island in droves. Can you blame them? Do the majority of T/Cs have any say in the running of the north's affairs? What future has Turkey offered them? Isolation, marginilisation, corruption, more settlers and the destruction of their culture. That's the reality.

What you offer is to vague and general, the majority can manipulate and discriminate against a minority all under the flag of democracy add to this the very high level of mistrust between the two sides and you have a formula for disaster, there needs to be concrete guarantees and deterrents to make sure both side do not try to dominate or control the other. We have experienced very bad times with gcs and only over the past 37 years have we arrived at self worth and feeling of belonging and most of security.

What we offer may be vague, but isn't that better than the certainty of annihilation with Turkey?

No, why do you say that,you hate Turkey and see them as your only enemy, we dont as we are part Turkish so jumping out of the fat into the fire is not a very good idea, we need more concrete guarantees and deteerents.

Then you will seek partition with such guarantees, as the case was with the 1959 agreements. Now Turkey will want the whole island and you will have no choice but to obey her orders. So how can you be trusted as an agent of Turkey that with such guarantees you will not once again go for partition, especially with the already established state lines with BBF.??

[Pyrpolizer]

they were shit scared for their lives.

For how long do you get shit scared for your life VP, for one month,2 months,3 months, 5 months, how many exactly after the "war" ended and after NOBODY not even one person was harmed?
Are you going to tell me that those who were crying and screaming refusing to abandon their homes, those who were hagging their GC neighbors crying, were doing so because they were shit scared for their lives?

[Viewpoint]

You to can ask for guarantees, why should we be the agent of Turkey if everything is working well and both sides are getting on well and prospering?

[Kikapu]

You to can ask for guarantees, why should we be the agent of Turkey if everything is working well and both sides are getting on well and prospering?

Because not everything works as you want them all the time,That's life, and who is to say you will not want everything to work out, so that you can say, "it's not working out, so now it's time for partition again". Those guarantees are the EU Principles which guarantees everyone's concerns. Without those EU guarantees, Turkey will always manipulate the TCs to do what she wants, as the case was before, therefore you cannot be trusted not to act as agents of Turkey without the EU Principles. If the are goods enough for 500 million EU citizen, it ought to be good enough for you. If you say no, then you cannot be trusted, since you will use the guarantees to create a partition again. It is very elementary really.

[Viewpoint]

You to can ask for guarantees, why should we be the agent of Turkey if everything is working well and both sides are getting on well and prospering?

Because not everything works as you want them all the time,That's life, and who is to say you will not want everything to work out, so that you can say, "it's not working out, so now it's time for partition again". Those guarantees are the EU Principles which guarantees everyone's concerns. Without those EU guarantees, Turkey will always manipulate the TCs to do what she wants, as the case was before, therefore you cannot be trusted not to act as agents of Turkey without the EU Principles. If the are goods enough for 500 million EU citizen, it ought to be good enough for you. If you say no, then you cannot be trusted, since you will use the guarantees to create a partition again. It is very elementary really.

Then no deal, we will not be exposed to Gc exploitation and domination we demand clear cut guidelines guarantees and deterrents.

[Kikapu]

You to can ask for guarantees, why should we be the agent of Turkey if everything is working well and both sides are getting on well and prospering?

Because not everything works as you want them all the time,That's life, and who is to say you will not want everything to work out, so that you can say, "it's not working out, so now it's time for partition again". Those guarantees are the EU Principles which guarantees everyone's concerns. Without those EU guarantees, Turkey will always manipulate the TCs to do what she wants, as the case was before, therefore you cannot be trusted not to act as agents of Turkey without the EU Principles. If the are goods enough for 500 million EU citizen, it ought to be good enough for you. If you say no, then you cannot be trusted, since you will use the guarantees to create a partition again. It is very elementary really.

Then no deal, we will not be exposed to Gc exploitation and domination we demand clear cut guidelines guarantees and deterrents.

You are looking ways to repeat 1963 all over again with such guarantees, as the case was before. You cannot be trusted for not being agents of Turkey. TCs want to be free from Turkey's control, therefore we demand EU Principles. If it's good enough for 500 million EU citizens, it will be good enough for the TCs in Cyprus.