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[ZoC]

So assimilation with GCs is fine but not with Turks, why?

The choice is assimilation and extinction of the T/Cs under Turkish military rule. Or living as a flourishing community in a federal united Cyprus under EU law. Those are the choices on offer. It's up to the T/Cs to choose. If they choose to do nothing, then why should anyone else care?

After a history of making the wrong choice at every possible opportunity I don't have much faith in T/Cs to prevent their inevitable slide into oblivion. Only a miracle can save them now. And I don't believe in miracles.

Communities can become extinct just like certain species of animals. There's no law which states that T/Cs must be around forever. As one T/C put it: "People remember the American Indians but who will remember the Turkish Cypriots?"

I will ask the same question again as you seem to not want to answer, why is assimilation with GCs alright and not with Turks?

twit. assimilation with either cypriot or turkish citizens is fine, if u do it in their country.
so if u want to assimilate with turks, f-off to turkey. if u want to assimilate with shit, stay in the latrine.

[Hermes]

So assimilation with GCs is fine but not with Turks, why?

The choice is assimilation and extinction of the T/Cs under Turkish military rule. Or living as a flourishing community in a federal united Cyprus under EU law. Those are the choices on offer. It's up to the T/Cs to choose. If they choose to do nothing, then why should anyone else care?

After a history of making the wrong choice at every possible opportunity I don't have much faith in T/Cs to prevent their inevitable slide into oblivion. Only a miracle can save them now. And I don't believe in miracles.

Communities can become extinct just like certain species of animals. There's no law which states that T/Cs must be around forever. As one T/C put it: "People remember the American Indians but who will remember the Turkish Cypriots?"

I will ask the same question again as you seem to not want to answer, why is assimilation with GCs alright and not with Turks?

I'll try again so that even you can understand. Now take it nice and slow.

What is on offer to the Kibrislis is assimilation under Turkish military rule in the north or a partnership role with G/Cs in a united federal state. (Note the italics you dumbo! They are for your benefit!)

The first will lead to certain extinction. The second offers them hope for prosperity and a future. Still with me?

As Turkey's interests are not the same as those of the Kibrislis the latter will have to take matters into their own hands. The question is whether the Kibrislis have the courage to do so. Got it now?

That wasn't so hard, was it?

[Viewpoint]

You are still avoiding the real issue why is it assimilation when it comes to Turks and not GCs? You only class assimilation with Turks and a partnership with GCs, I dont see it that way its assimilation which ever way we go.

Now do you get it dumbo? if you want to play the insulting game just continue as I can come up with much worse.

[Hermes]

I dont see it that way its assimilation which ever way we go.

It's that attitude that will doom the T/Cs. You face assimilation and certain irrelevance and extinction under Turkish military rule. No way back. Once the T/Cs are gone, they're gone. Finito. Has the dodo come back? No chance.

In a partnership state with the G/Cs the kibrislis still have a chance because they'll be living in an EU state with all the rights and protections of EU law. Rights guaranteed by EU law. With a political and economic stake in the island's future.

Now which do you think promises the better option of long-term survival? Only a dumbo will answer 'Turkey'.

[Viewpoint]

I dont see it that way its assimilation which ever way we go.

It's that attitude that will doom the T/Cs. You face assimilation and certain irrelevance and extinction under Turkish military rule. No way back. Once the T/Cs are gone, they're gone. Finito. Has the dodo come back? No chance.

In a partnership state with the G/Cs the kibrislis still have a chance because they'll be living in an EU state with all the rights and protections of EU law. Rights guaranteed by EU law. With a political and economic stake in the island's future.

Now which do you think promises the better option of long-term survival? Only a dumbo will answer 'Turkey'.

Thats your personal opinion and not a fact...the EU laws will in noway stop assimilation into the GC majority, please point out what the differences would be between if you can that would stop assimilation?

[Pyrpolizer]

Unfortunately I dont have a Donkey, only a Merc BMW and Audi.

According to my Kibrisli friends those who have the Mercedeces and the BMWs are the Denktashes people who looted the Kypreos properties.
Question: Who among the Kibrislis drive the rotten 30 year old Renaults due to snow imported from Turkey as scrap

What absolute bollocks, so working hard and buying a nice car is beyond us? we can only have gotten bmws and mercedes if we looted gc property? Does that apply to those that drive nice cars in the south or is that just us tc?

Quite honestly this (about the Mercedeces and the BMWs) was told to me by a Kibrisli friend, and I can assure you he is not just anybody.
About what kind of cars have those workers (or should I say the majority to avoid calling the argument ABSOLUTE bollocks) who cross everyday you are free to witness them yourself at any checkpoint.

Why is it ABSOLUTE bollocks then? It's a rule of thumb.... It may not be 100% true but it has a lot of truth in it.

[Pyrpolizer]

Unfortunately I dont have a Donkey, only a Merc BMW and Audi.

According to my Kibrisli friends those who have the Mercedeces and the BMWs are the Denktashes people who looted the Kypreos properties.
Question: Who among the Kibrislis drive the rotten 30 year old Renaults due to snow imported from Turkey as scrap

What absolute bollocks, so working hard and buying a nice car is beyond us? we can only have gotten bmws and mercedes if we looted gc property? Does that apply to those that drive nice cars in the south or is that just us tc?

DTA, this Pyro aint the same Pyro I knew years ago. The original guy, was more logical and common sensical than most here.

Sorry Deniz, I never thought my point would not be taken, unless I 'd split hairs

[Hermes]

I dont see it that way its assimilation which ever way we go.

It's that attitude that will doom the T/Cs. You face assimilation and certain irrelevance and extinction under Turkish military rule. No way back. Once the T/Cs are gone, they're gone. Finito. Has the dodo come back? No chance.

In a partnership state with the G/Cs the kibrislis still have a chance because they'll be living in an EU state with all the rights and protections of EU law. Rights guaranteed by EU law. With a political and economic stake in the island's future.

Now which do you think promises the better option of long-term survival? Only a dumbo will answer 'Turkey'.

Thats your personal opinion and not a fact...the EU laws will in noway stop assimilation into the GC majority, please point out what the differences would be between if you can that would stop assimilation?

Laws against discrimination won't in themselves ensure the survival of the T/Cs. T/Cs will have to become viable partners to flourish as a successful community in Cyprus. They'll have to work hard and compete in order to thrive. It won't be easy. But at least they'll get a chance.

For a start they'll have a political stake in a unified state, a say in the running of the country and a degree of autonomy. Plus there's going to be a lot of wealth and opportunities in the energy and shipping sectors if predictions are true and Cyprus becomes an important energy hub to Europe.

Now if you can't make a go of it from that basis then you don't deserve to survive. Don't wait too long to decide though...

What's the choice? In the north, the T/Cs have voted with their feet and left the island in droves. Can you blame them? Do the majority of T/Cs have any say in the running of the north's affairs? What future has Turkey offered them? Isolation, marginilisation, corruption, more settlers and the destruction of their culture. That's the reality.

[repulsewarrior]

...a good T/C, as you say, would be worried about the vandals in his own neighbourhood, he /she is not so quick to judge others, no society is crimeless.

...not a good example, vp.

...i am disappointed that "Turks" dismiss their own diversity, and that Turks here, must live under this imperialism.

Turcophones who are not Turkish enough are many, and they suffer greatly all over Turkey, the only difference is that this minority, the Kibrisli, i fear will not sustain themselves because they are too small to resist the demographic changes they are subjected to; this to me is genocide, beyond the ethnic cleansing. Greeks here, at least are free to feel that before being "a body of a Nation", they are Cypriots. in that, at least Greece imposes no more. Turkish Cypriots can choose to unite with these and the other island dwellers, for their Sovereignty in a State, where, without any discrimination they enjoy equally, Individual Rights, and together they stand United to defend the Universal Principals on which they are based.

...together, if they choose to define Bicommunal the word, as Persons (rather tha Individuals), there is a means to sustain each's distinct identity in National Assemblies where the State Charters their existence, and in so doing delineating their Territorial Jurisdictions in a manner where each can offer as a Majority to their electors (and taxpayers) the infrastructure they choose to provide for their daily lives. most importantly, and in this manner a recognition for minorities is reciprocal, and possible, each Community having a means to demonstrate this respect, one to the other. moreso if the solution to the Problem includes, repopulation, enclaves to pocket the whole island, ending the Green Line as a Border even if it remains.

for me it is a matter of wanting more than "Greek" and "Turk", and it is our moment to fight for this Freedom, honestly anywhere on the island i love, any beach, my roots, my blood and my tears, but i am a stranger.

DTA, vp how would you feel if i flew a Greek flag on my car to "that" beach?

...now picture the Cypriot flag, would you to treat me differently?

...are Greeks "Greeks"?

[Pyrpolizer]

so working hard and buying a nice car is beyond us?

It seems so.

we can only have gotten bmws and mercedes if we looted gc property?

How else would you acquire them?

Does that apply to those that drive nice cars in the south or is that just us tc?

Just you t/cs. Citizens in the south have built a thriving economy founded on tourism, shipping, agriculture and finance. What is the north's "economy" founded on? Brothels, casinos and the illegal development of Greek-owned land. See the difference?

And Hermes once again shows his true face. Next time he writes about caring about tcs and that we are been overtaken by settlers from turkey - remember this what he thinks of us.

Why don't you tell us what you think of your OWN people DTA? Just to check where we disagree exactly...