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Re: Turkey's Foreign trade deficit soars by 79.2 percent in

Postby Lordo » Wed Jan 15, 2014 2:56 am

Kikapu wrote:
Lordo wrote:i am devestated. now the terkis good will be cheaper and god help the rest.


That's a little fallacy actually, because the price I pay for Turkish goods at my local friendly Turkish shop for the last several years here in CH has been the same despite the TL having lost at least 50% of it's value against the Swiss Franc in that time period. Despite the "middle man" who has been importing goods at cheaper rate as the TL goes down, he has not necessary been passing the savings down to the consumers, which may indicate as to why Turkey's export does not grow as much as it should when the TL loses it's value against other currencies. The other factor is of course, that whenever the TL goes down, everything else in Turkey rises due to high inflation as well as higher import cost. Therefore, the ones who are getting royally fcuked by the TL's continual slide to the toilet, are the Turks themselves. They are getting screwed coming and going!

to use your own fraze your terkish food supplier is screwing you.
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Re: Turkey's Foreign trade deficit soars by 79.2 percent in

Postby Lordo » Wed Jan 15, 2014 2:58 am

bill cobbett wrote:A few words sums up Turkey's recent economic news...

SLUMP...!!! SANK ...!!! SLIDING ...!!!

Here's the first few paras from Hurriyet today...

'... The Turkish Lira slumped to a record low against the U.S. dollar and the euro after the announcement of current account deficit data that fueled concerns over the country’s financing vulnerabilities.

The Turkish currency sank on Jan. 14 to a record low against the euro, hitting the psychologically key level of three lira to the euro.

After starting off the day at around the 2.18 level, the Turkish currency jumped to an all-time record of 2.1977 against the dollar.

The Istanbul stock market also lost ground, sliding 1.32 percent to 67,221.75 points. ..."


http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkis ... sCatID=344


omg you mean the terkish lira lost 1 gurus which is equivalent to a third of a penny. how on earth are these people going to survive.
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Re: Turkey's Foreign trade deficit soars by 79.2 percent in

Postby Demonax » Thu Jan 16, 2014 1:32 pm

From the Wall Street Journal:

Turks Seek Gold, Dollars in Lira Rout

Lira Has Lost 21% of its Value in the Past Year

ISTANBUL—Two years ago, with Turkey's economy registering double-digit growth, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan hailed the lira as one of the world's most stable currencies and his government unveiled a new symbol for it; a T-shaped anchor, designed to herald its new status as a 'safe harbor.'

Now, the lira is the world's fastest falling emerging-market currency, losing 21% of its value against the dollar in the past year. On Thursday, the currency slumped as much as 0.9% to 2.21 versus the dollar; its fourth record low of 2014 in just eleven days of trading.

Economists and analysts are ripping up old forecasts and predicting the currency will drop much further, particularly as long as the country's central bank is reluctant to hike interest rates to stop the rot. It is not only economists who are spooked. Some Turks are rekindling old habits; selling liras to buy foreign currency and buying gold to hedge against further falls.

According to the Turkish Central Bank, consumers' holdings of foreign currency rose almost 10% last year to $69 billion. Turkish corporates are following suit, raising their foreign currency deposits by more than 20% in 2013 to reach $50 billion.

"We've seen crises in the past and we're seeing aspects of a crisis mentality again now. The numbers are worrying," said Gokhan Karakan, who has traded currency in Istanbul's storied Grand Bazaar for more than a decade.

Economists say consumers have given up buying the lira on the cheap in hope of a rebound. "Rather than seeing the recent episode of lira weakness as an opportunity to switch their foreign currency holdings into liras, Turkish households have accelerated their foreign-currency deposit buildup since July," Barclays BARC.LN -0.34% said in a turn of the year report.

In Istanbul, traders who rode Turkey's boom in recent years say they are hoarding dollars to hedge against the sliding lira. "As volatility and turmoil have increased, we now prefer to keep our dollars if we don't need to sell them," says Sait Bayhan, a 75-year old who has sold carpets for five decades. "But I can't just make profit by hoarding dollars—we need economic stability."

A corruption scandal that has rocked Turkey's government since December has magnified investors' concerns over slowing growth and lingering imbalances, including a current-account deficit around 7% of gross domestic product. The euro has climbed to fetch over 3 liras. This has set off a chain reaction of concerns; with the lira so weak, import prices have climbed, threatening to bump up inflation which the country's central bank is reluctant to fight with higher interest rates.

The lira's decline is not only down to local factors. It is also partly a reflection of broad-based falls in emerging market currencies—from Brazil to Thailand—in recent months in reaction to rising political risk, an improving growth outlook in developed markets, the U.S. Federal Reserve's move to trim its multibillion-dollar bond-buying program.

But the precipitous weakening could have an outsize political impact in Turkey ahead of a key election cycle that could determine whether Prime Minister Erdogan rules the country.

"For the past decade until late last year, the lira was broadly on an appreciating trend, but now people are scared of political risk and policy mismanagement and they're losing faith. We have a significantly higher political risk premium which is very bad news for Turkey," said Atilla Yesilada, Istanbul-based partners at Global Source Partners, a risk consultancy.

Turkey's government—which comfortably remains the country's most popular party—concedes that the lira's slide is worrisome for the economy, saying that it could shove inflation above its estimates, but it stresses that the declines are driven by external factors and will soon reverse. Finance Minister Mehmet Simsek has repeatedly pointed to the government's enviable economic record since taking power in 2003; securing an average of 5% annual growth, taming rampant inflation and boosting the credibility of the lira.

One reason for the lira weakness is policy stance of Turkey's central bank, which has stubbornly resisted calls to hike interest rates to support the currency, adding to investor nerves.

The bank insists it is independent but analysts say the governor is constrained by Mr. Erdogan's repeated attacks on the so-called "interest rate lobby" which he believes is seeking to slow Turkish growth and profit by pushing Turkish interest rates higher. "You cannot stop the depreciation of the lira with a rate hike," Central Bank Governor Erdem Basci said in a December speech.

The central bank has instead sought to support the lira by selling foreign currency reserves, last year unloading $17.6 billion, or one-third of its total war chest; efforts that have failed to arrest the currency's slide.

"The central bank announced $3 billion of forex sales in late 2013, and $3 billion through January, but the market kind of knows the CBRT's pockets are not that deep," said Tim Ash, London-based chief emerging markets economist at Standard Bank.


http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1 ... 68256.html
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Re: Turkey's Foreign trade deficit soars by 79.2 percent in

Postby Kikapu » Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:41 pm

Lordo wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Lordo wrote:i am devestated. now the terkis good will be cheaper and god help the rest.


That's a little fallacy actually, because the price I pay for Turkish goods at my local friendly Turkish shop for the last several years here in CH has been the same despite the TL having lost at least 50% of it's value against the Swiss Franc in that time period. Despite the "middle man" who has been importing goods at cheaper rate as the TL goes down, he has not necessary been passing the savings down to the consumers, which may indicate as to why Turkey's export does not grow as much as it should when the TL loses it's value against other currencies. The other factor is of course, that whenever the TL goes down, everything else in Turkey rises due to high inflation as well as higher import cost. Therefore, the ones who are getting royally fcuked by the TL's continual slide to the toilet, are the Turks themselves. They are getting screwed coming and going!

to use your own fraze your terkish food supplier is screwing you.


Not necessarily. He is able to keep up with his cost without having to increase his prices, which will cost his customers more, so what ever he saves by buying cheaper from Turkey due to TL's weak position against the Swiss Franc, everyone is in a win win situation here. I did say the prices I have been paying in the past several years have been the same. That alone is a savings to me, thanks to the TL's weakness against the Swiss Franc. The fact that I am not buying more than normal, Turkey cannot sell more despite the TL being in the toilet, but the Turks are getting killed on the imports they need to purchase, hence the Turks getting screwed coming and going!
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Re: Turkey's Foreign trade deficit soars by 79.2 percent in

Postby Jerry » Thu Jan 16, 2014 3:02 pm

Oh dear more bad news, number of jobless up 202K to 2.74 mln in October.
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-336636- ... tober.html

Yesterday there was a report about the huge increase in Turkey's current account deficit but it sees to have disappeared. Obviously Erdo has solved the problem overnight. :lol:
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Re: Turkey's Foreign trade deficit soars by 79.2 percent in

Postby Kikapu » Thu Jan 16, 2014 3:13 pm

Jerry wrote:Oh dear more bad news, number of jobless up 202K to 2.74 mln in October.
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-336636- ... tober.html

Yesterday there was a report about the huge increase in Turkey's current account deficit but it sees to have disappeared. Obviously Erdo has solved the problem overnight. :lol:


If only this was the actual jobless in Turkey, it would be fantastic news. :wink:

I'm afraid it is many folds higher in actuality.
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Re: Turkey's Foreign trade deficit soars by 79.2 percent in

Postby Demonax » Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:13 am

No-one is fooled anymore. Analysis from The Economist:

The mask is off

Political turmoil exposes economic malaise


A SENSE that things are sliding out of control has gripped Turkey since prosecutors launched a series of investigations into bribery and corruption close to the government in mid-December. Even if official charges and convictions never materialise, enough has come out to unsettle foreign and local investors. It casts serious doubt on the independence of the country’s police and the judiciary, and their ability to enforce the law.

Turkey suddenly looks more like the country it was trying to leave back in the shadows a dozen years ago. Inflation is running at over 7%, the currency is sliding and the current-account deficit is around 7% of GDP. Private savings, foreign investment and exports are shrinking...

Yet impressive GDP growth, which reached an annual 9% in 2010 and 2011, was largely driven by debt-fuelled private consumption and property investment, which included awarding big contracts to fast-growing and highly leveraged Turkish construction firms. Investment in industry, on the other hand, has languished. The government has shown little interest in encouraging the building of new plants and attracting big industrial investment from abroad—which should be meat and drink to a land with industrial ambitions. Instead, profits made by established industries and by banks have been subject to sudden capricious taxation.


http://www.economist.com/news/finance-a ... ask_is_off
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Re: Turkey's Foreign trade deficit soars by 79.2 percent in

Postby bill cobbett » Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:28 am

Demonax wrote:No-one is fooled anymore. Analysis from The Economist:

The mask is off

Political turmoil exposes economic malaise


A SENSE that things are sliding out of control has gripped Turkey since prosecutors launched a series of investigations into bribery and corruption close to the government in mid-December. Even if official charges and convictions never materialise, enough has come out to unsettle foreign and local investors. It casts serious doubt on the independence of the country’s police and the judiciary, and their ability to enforce the law.

Turkey suddenly looks more like the country it was trying to leave back in the shadows a dozen years ago. Inflation is running at over 7%, the currency is sliding and the current-account deficit is around 7% of GDP. Private savings, foreign investment and exports are shrinking...

Yet impressive GDP growth, which reached an annual 9% in 2010 and 2011, was largely driven by debt-fuelled private consumption and property investment, which included awarding big contracts to fast-growing and highly leveraged Turkish construction firms. Investment in industry, on the other hand, has languished. The government has shown little interest in encouraging the building of new plants and attracting big industrial investment from abroad—which should be meat and drink to a land with industrial ambitions. Instead, profits made by established industries and by banks have been subject to sudden capricious taxation.


http://www.economist.com/news/finance-a ... ask_is_off


Wonder what the Ratings Agencies will say when they issue their next reports...??? ... just wondering.
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Re: Turkey's Foreign trade deficit soars by 79.2 percent in

Postby Demonax » Sat Jan 18, 2014 12:50 am

Interest-Rate Obsession May Doom Turkey's Erdogan

It is possible that Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan will be undone not by the corruption probe he is suppressing, but by his fixation on low interest rates....

Turks may forgive corruption allegations if the government is also overseeing strong economic growth. They won't, however, forgive Erdogan if his obsession with zero real interest rates leads to rising prices sucking money from their pockets, and if the central bank's ensuing hard stop to rein in inflation costs them jobs.


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-1 ... dogan.html
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Re: Turkey's Foreign trade deficit soars by 79.2 percent in

Postby Kikapu » Thu Jan 23, 2014 12:16 am

It is strange to me that no TCs on this forum (other than myself) are complaining about the daily devaluation of the Turkish Lira.

Are they afraid to say anything so not to piss off Erdogan or what?

What are the ramifications for the TCs in the "trnc" using a currency that soon might be only good to use as wallpaper..!

Erolz, what says you? You were always the defender of the TL in the past. Please tell us what impact the daily deterioration of the TL is having in the north.

Turkish currency slides to new low against euro

ISTANBUL - Agence France-Presse
The Turkish lira sank to yet another record low against the euro on Jan. 22, the day after the central bank decided against hiking interest rates to prop up the currency.

The lira, which has shed 10 percent of its value since a political crisis erupted last month, was trading at 3.0652 to the euro from 3.0583 at Tuesday's close and at 2.2602 to the dollar from 2.2575 but above lows of 2.2659.

Istanbul-based Finansbank said the decision by the central bank - which is statutorily independent - was a "smoke and mirrors" policy which had confused the markets.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkis ... sCatID=344
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