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Postby Kikapu » Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:47 am

Viewpoint wrote:Pyro the alternative is unthinkable we are prepared to assimilate with Turks than become a minority in a GC state....we will never let this happen.


As Kifeas would say to you often, "you are only farting with others ass", so stop acting the big-shot that you are not, because the TCs destination will NOT be in their hands in the not too distant future. It barely is now. Turkey will decide for you as she mostly does for you today. Once the BBF is dead and buried, then any negotiations for Cyprus will ONLY be officially between the RoC and Turkey without her puppets from the north, and the ONLY purpose for any negotiations will be for Cyprus to become a Unitary state with the same 20% population to be made up of Turks/settlers mix and the 80% GCs and other Cypriots for in return for Turkey to become a EU member. It will not even be an agreed partition, because we already have a partition today, so why would the RoC make it legal for the return of few percentages of territory back? The RoC would keep the north illegal which serves to keep Turkey out of the EU. The RoC will use the return of the entire north back to have a Unitary state for Turkey to gain EU membership. I have not seen so much obvious signs for Turkey wanting to be in the EU as much as I've seen last week with all the Turkey's main politicians statements and complaints of the EU as to why the RoC is allowed to keep Turkey out. If Turkey wanted to exit her EU membership desires, they know where the exit door is and would have walked out, defeated but their heads high, making the justification for their nation's citizens that at the very least they have gained 37% of Cyprus for Turkey as an occupier. They did non of those things, because it's the EU where they want to be, and that's the RoC's trump card in finding a solution with Turkey, to be based on a Unitary state, as it will no longer be possible to have a BBF, and yes, the GCs will become the numerical majority with everyone else becoming the numerical minorities under a Unitary system, because the TCs of today would have lost the chance to have a north state where they would have been a majority with 50% power in the north's upper house under BBF, but will have to settle for a proportional 20% power in Cyprus with the vast majority settlers within that 20%. This will be the only scenario is left for Cyprus, unless Turkey does decide to exit the EU doors, in which case, the status quo will just continue as it is today. Either way, the TCs will be the losers in all this, but that's the choice their traitorous leaders have made for them long ago !
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Re: ‘Tens of thousands’ of Turks could become ‘TRNC’ citizen

Postby Viewpoint » Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:56 am

Pyro exactly why we will never find a solution as you are not willing to address my concerns, you label them cliche for this reason, continue to ignore them and you will be begging for division as the population of the north increases to 1+ million Turks.
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Re: ‘Tens of thousands’ of Turks could become ‘TRNC’ citizen

Postby Viewpoint » Sun Jul 31, 2011 10:13 am

Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Pyro the alternative is unthinkable we are prepared to assimilate with Turks than become a minority in a GC state....we will never let this happen.


As Kifeas would say to you often, "you are only farting with others ass", so stop acting the big-shot that you are not, because the TCs destination will NOT be in their hands in the not too distant future. It barely is now. Turkey will decide for you as she mostly does for you today. Once the BBF is dead and buried, then any negotiations for Cyprus will ONLY be officially between the RoC and Turkey without her puppets from the north, and the ONLY purpose for any negotiations will be for Cyprus to become a Unitary state with the same 20% population to be made up of Turks/settlers mix and the 80% GCs and other Cypriots for in return for Turkey to become a EU member. It will not even be an agreed partition, because we already have a partition today, so why would the RoC make it legal for the return of few percentages of territory back? The RoC would keep the north illegal which serves to keep Turkey out of the EU. The RoC will use the return of the entire north back to have a Unitary state for Turkey to gain EU membership. I have not seen so much obvious signs for Turkey wanting to be in the EU as much as I've seen last week with all the Turkey's main politicians statements and complaints of the EU as to why the RoC is allowed to keep Turkey out. If Turkey wanted to exit her EU membership desires, they know where the exit door is and would have walked out, defeated but their heads high, making the justification for their nation's citizens that at the very least they have gained 37% of Cyprus for Turkey as an occupier. They did non of those things, because it's the EU where they want to be, and that's the RoC's trump card in finding a solution with Turkey, to be based on a Unitary state, as it will no longer be possible to have a BBF, and yes, the GCs will become the numerical majority with everyone else becoming the numerical minorities under a Unitary system, because the TCs of today would have lost the chance to have a north state where they would have been a majority with 50% power in the north's upper house under BBF, but will have to settle for a proportional 20% power in Cyprus with the vast majority settlers within that 20%. This will be the only scenario is left for Cyprus, unless Turkey does decide to exit the EU doors, in which case, the status quo will just continue as it is today. Either way, the TCs will be the losers in all this, but that's the choice their traitorous leaders have made for them long ago !



Please tell me you are joking here, your jack and norey stories are beyond belief...looks like you have lost the plot.
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Re: ‘Tens of thousands’ of Turks could become ‘TRNC’ citizen

Postby Kikapu » Sun Jul 31, 2011 10:49 am

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Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Pyro the alternative is unthinkable we are prepared to assimilate with Turks than become a minority in a GC state....we will never let this happen.


As Kifeas would say to you often, "you are only farting with others ass", so stop acting the big-shot that you are not, because the TCs destination will NOT be in their hands in the not too distant future. It barely is now. Turkey will decide for you as she mostly does for you today. Once the BBF is dead and buried, then any negotiations for Cyprus will ONLY be officially between the RoC and Turkey without her puppets from the north, and the ONLY purpose for any negotiations will be for Cyprus to become a Unitary state with the same 20% population to be made up of Turks/settlers mix and the 80% GCs and other Cypriots for in return for Turkey to become a EU member. It will not even be an agreed partition, because we already have a partition today, so why would the RoC make it legal for the return of few percentages of territory back? The RoC would keep the north illegal which serves to keep Turkey out of the EU. The RoC will use the return of the entire north back to have a Unitary state for Turkey to gain EU membership. I have not seen so much obvious signs for Turkey wanting to be in the EU as much as I've seen last week with all the Turkey's main politicians statements and complaints of the EU as to why the RoC is allowed to keep Turkey out. If Turkey wanted to exit her EU membership desires, they know where the exit door is and would have walked out, defeated but their heads high, making the justification for their nation's citizens that at the very least they have gained 37% of Cyprus for Turkey as an occupier. They did non of those things, because it's the EU where they want to be, and that's the RoC's trump card in finding a solution with Turkey, to be based on a Unitary state, as it will no longer be possible to have a BBF, and yes, the GCs will become the numerical majority with everyone else becoming the numerical minorities under a Unitary system, because the TCs of today would have lost the chance to have a north state where they would have been a majority with 50% power in the north's upper house under BBF, but will have to settle for a proportional 20% power in Cyprus with the vast majority settlers within that 20%. This will be the only scenario is left for Cyprus, unless Turkey does decide to exit the EU doors, in which case, the status quo will just continue as it is today. Either way, the TCs will be the losers in all this, but that's the choice their traitorous leaders have made for them long ago !



Please tell me you are joking here, your jack and norey stories are beyond belief...looks like you have lost the plot.


Looks like you are scared shitless of the above scenario coming true.

Do you disagree that you as a TC will have ZERO power in the future if you do not accept BBF today with EU Principles ? The RoC is not going to give you a BBF based on the AP, and you don't want BBF with EU Principles, which buys the RoC time with your refusal until Turkey drops her demands so to become a EU member, in which time, the RoC will demand Unitary state, and you as a TC, will become the numerical minority in the RoC, whether you will like it or not, since Turkey will decide for you, so, it is either a BBF today with EU Principles, or Unitary state in the future with also EU Principles. The TCs still have some say so to accept a BBF with EU Principles now, or ZERO say so in accepting a Unitary state with EU Principles in the future, since Turkey will decide it for you.
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Re: ‘Tens of thousands’ of Turks could become ‘TRNC’ citizen

Postby Viewpoint » Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:21 am

Will you want a unitary state with over 1 million new generation TCs? this is what you should be afraid of as then you will be begging for division.
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Re: ‘Tens of thousands’ of Turks could become ‘TRNC’ citizen

Postby CBBB » Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:27 am

Viewpoint wrote:Will you want a unitary state with over 1 million new generation TCs? this is what you should be afraid of as then you will be begging for division.


No you are all going back to Turkey.
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Re: ‘Tens of thousands’ of Turks could become ‘TRNC’ citizen

Postby Kikapu » Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:30 am

Viewpoint wrote:Will you want a unitary state with over 1 million new generation TCs? this is what you should be afraid of as then you will be begging for division.


I appreciate the fact that you are not willing to answer my question put to you, that the TCs will have ZERO power to decide anything for themselves in the future, because you know what the truth is.

There's not going to be 1 million settlers allowed to remain in Cyprus under a Unitary state, but just ONLY 20%, be they be old TCs or "new" TCs which will make no difference to the GCs or else NO EU membership for Turkey.

Division already exists, so why would the GCs choose to make it official for them to accept a agreed partition for few percentage of land back, assuming Turkey has given up on the EU, which she has not.

Is that so hard for you to understand?
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Re: ‘Tens of thousands’ of Turks could become ‘TRNC’ citizen

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:40 am

Viewpoint wrote:Will you want a unitary state with over 1 million new generation TCs? this is what you should be afraid of as then you will be begging for division.


As soon as I proved you telling lies you reverted to your cliches,that could be answered, in fact they have been answered many times, however they are totally irrelevant to what we were discussing.
You simply dropped the discussion, pulled one of your standardized cliches from the bag, threw it on the air and expected me to even bother replying you. And then totally ignoring your lie reverting with additional questions based on the very same lie :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: ‘Tens of thousands’ of Turks could become ‘TRNC’ citizen

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:52 am

You did the same to Kikapu btw, by totally bypassing the argument that the Kibrislis will have zero power over a sea of settlers, and calling his arguments an impossible scenario. :wink:
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Re: ‘Tens of thousands’ of Turks could become ‘TRNC’ citizen

Postby Viewpoint » Sun Jul 31, 2011 12:01 pm

Hold on you guys, you ask disguised questions then you expect clear answers, if your question is how much power will the TCs have in a a population of over 1 million, I would say its very much down to your viewpoint as I see the 1 million as my people living with me in the north so I would say my say is more powerful than ever in fact I would be demanding a unitary state so that you will become a minority in your own country. Does that answer your question? if there anything else let me know. Plus these cliches are still there because they have not been answered to the satisfaction of those concerned, all you do is try to dismiss them.
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