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Pyro just for one moment reverse the situation with what you demand today when the Turks are the majority on the island...will you still want to unite?

[Pyrpolizer]

The majority on the island???
Well VP lets face it, the occupied cannot hold any more population than what it currently has.
It cannot even hold half the population without subsidies from Turkey and the settlers who are mostly agrarian population will never make it in Cyprus, after they replace the real Kibrislis.
Unification will not be our goal anymore.We will make other plans.

[Kikapu]

They are trying to replace the real Kibrislis with settlers.In 10-15 years time we will have a settlers administration in the occupied.The Cyprob is entering a new phase already.:THAT OF INVASION-OCCUPATION-COLONIZATION.Nothing left to discuss anymore. And the RoC is SLEEPING at the moment. She will wake up of course when things become crystal clear. And then what?

Then the RoC would be negotiating with Turkey officially, rather than through their puppets in the north. The TCs will lose any say so in what ever decision will be reached between the RoC and Turkey. As far as the GCs are concerned, it would not make any difference to them whether it's Turkey at the table or Turkey's puppets. The RoC may even have better chance negotiation with the Turks directly than their puppets. The RoC still have the trump card of being in the EU and Turkey wanting to be in the EU. The TCs will be ignored by the RoC/Turkey in what they want. They will have to accept what ever the RoC and Turkey decide between themselves. Sad but the truths for the TCs fate in the future, which is, no future at all for them..

Sad it is my friend. You are right the RoC will be negotiating directly with Turkey. However negotiate for what???
To re-unite with the remnants of Kibrislis plus a sea of trashy settlers? To re-unite with people the vast majority of whom we can't understand, who have totally different ethics than ours? Damn not even the real Kibrislis can get along well with the settlers how could the Kypreos ever manage with them? Isn't it also sad that the REAL kibrislis will be lost for ever?
I would personally not be interested for a BBF anymore. It would clearly be a matter of illegal colonisation from there on whatever that would mean in terms of solving the Cyprus Problem.

Pyro, I was not referring to the RoC negotiating with Turkey on BBF in the future. BBF will be dead and buried, if the TCs today do not accept it to be based on EU principles, just like the Annan plan already is. The trump card for the RoC is their EU membership to cut a deal with Turkey plus the benefits and friends she will receive because of the Oil and Gas fields. It may mean for Turkey to return the north back to the RoC in order to to gain EU membership with most of their citizen being sent back to Turkey. Basically the same deal that is on the table today, except no longer a BBF with the TCs, but a Unitary state under EU Principles with the remaining acceptable numbers of Turks and TCs, who will still remain mainly in the north, as a choice and not based on condition. If Turkey is in the EU, then it means that she accepts EU Principles also, therefore so would she for all those living in Cyprus. This is the condition the RoC will negotiate with Turkey, or else, no EU membership for Turkey, and in time, Turkey will need the EU membership. That much it is very clear, even from today, despite Erdogan's temper tantrums last week. The future will be a Unitary state and no longer a BBF. The TCs will not have a say so what so ever, since they will not have a voice of their own, because Turkey will speak for them on their behalf, whether they like it or not, because the TCs have turned over their political vote over to the Turks already.

[humanist]

pyrpolizer

Sad it is my friend. You are right the RoC will be negotiating directly with Turkey. However negotiate for what???
To re-unite with the remnants of Kibrislis plus a sea of trashy settlers? To re-unite with people the vast majority of whom we can't understand, who have totally different ethics than ours? Damn not even the real Kibrislis can get along well with the settlers how could the Kypreos ever manage with them? Isn't it also sad that the REAL kibrislis will be lost for ever?
I would personally not be interested for a BBF anymore. It would clearly be a matter of illegal colonisation from there on whatever that would mean in terms of solving the Cyprus Problem.

Pyrpolizer, Yes it is sad that the REAL Kibrislis will be lost for ever. And this is sad for Cyprus because a part of what makes Cyprus unique will also be lost. However, I cannot help but think you can lead a horse to water but can't make it drink. The Kibrislis know this yet they persist on supporting Turkey. If the Kibrislis are genuine about unification they then need to get out on the streets and also formulate a community representative council lead by those people representing the Kibrislis because their current leader is representing Turkish interests and ignoring their plight for Freedom from the Turkish Occupation regime currently running the occupied area of Cyprus.

[Viewpoint]

The majority on the island???
Well VP lets face it, the occupied cannot hold any more population than what it currently has.
It cannot even hold half the population without subsidies from Turkey and the settlers who are mostly agrarian population will never make it in Cyprus, after they replace the real Kibrislis.
Unification will not be our goal anymore.We will make other plans.

It currently holds over 500.000 and rapidly increasing this could if not stopped easily reach over 1 million, you now reject unification yet you demand we accept the same....now that the shoe is on the other foot and the Turks/TCs are the majority on the island what guarantees would you demand?

[Pyrpolizer]

They are trying to replace the real Kibrislis with settlers.In 10-15 years time we will have a settlers administration in the occupied.The Cyprob is entering a new phase already.:THAT OF INVASION-OCCUPATION-COLONIZATION.Nothing left to discuss anymore. And the RoC is SLEEPING at the moment. She will wake up of course when things become crystal clear. And then what?

Then the RoC would be negotiating with Turkey officially, rather than through their puppets in the north. The TCs will lose any say so in what ever decision will be reached between the RoC and Turkey. As far as the GCs are concerned, it would not make any difference to them whether it's Turkey at the table or Turkey's puppets. The RoC may even have better chance negotiation with the Turks directly than their puppets. The RoC still have the trump card of being in the EU and Turkey wanting to be in the EU. The TCs will be ignored by the RoC/Turkey in what they want. They will have to accept what ever the RoC and Turkey decide between themselves. Sad but the truths for the TCs fate in the future, which is, no future at all for them..

Sad it is my friend. You are right the RoC will be negotiating directly with Turkey. However negotiate for what???
To re-unite with the remnants of Kibrislis plus a sea of trashy settlers? To re-unite with people the vast majority of whom we can't understand, who have totally different ethics than ours? Damn not even the real Kibrislis can get along well with the settlers how could the Kypreos ever manage with them? Isn't it also sad that the REAL kibrislis will be lost for ever?
I would personally not be interested for a BBF anymore. It would clearly be a matter of illegal colonisation from there on whatever that would mean in terms of solving the Cyprus Problem.

Pyro, I was not referring to the RoC negotiating with Turkey on BBF in the future. BBF will be dead and buried, if the TCs today do not accept it to be based on EU principles, just like the Annan plan already is. The trump card for the RoC is their EU membership to cut a deal with Turkey plus the benefits and friends she will receive because of the Oil and Gas fields. It may mean for Turkey to return the north back to the RoC in order to to gain EU membership with most of their citizen being sent back to Turkey. Basically the same deal that is on the table today, except no longer a BBF with the TCs, but a Unitary state under EU Principles with the remaining acceptable numbers of Turks and TCs, who will still remain mainly in the north, as a choice and not based on condition. If Turkey is in the EU, then it means that she accepts EU Principles also, therefore so would she for all those living in Cyprus. This is the condition the RoC will negotiate with Turkey, or else, no EU membership for Turkey, and in time, Turkey will need the EU membership. That much it is very clear, even from today, despite Erdogan's temper tantrums last week. The future will be a Unitary state and no longer a BBF. The TCs will not have a say so what so ever, since they will not have a voice of their own, because Turkey will speak for them on their behalf, whether they like it or not, because the TCs have turned over their political vote over to the Turks already.

That's what I meant by "other plans" kiks.
But that's a plan, nobody can guarantee it will work as "planned".
And would that be better? I would still prefer the Kibrislis not to lose their country, because that's not fair, whole generations have passed already without seeing a bright day, why should they or anyone else lose in the end. Why not go along the sure thing we have today a good BBF with EU principles?

Anyway if this will be the final outcome i only know one thing. THE KIBRISLIS WILL GO INTO HISTORY FOR LOSING THEIR OWN COUNTRY.....
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BY ACCIDENT

[Pyrpolizer]

The majority on the island???
Well VP lets face it, the occupied cannot hold any more population than what it currently has.
It cannot even hold half the population without subsidies from Turkey and the settlers who are mostly agrarian population will never make it in Cyprus, after they replace the real Kibrislis.
Unification will not be our goal anymore.We will make other plans.

It currently holds over 500.000 and rapidly increasing this could if not stopped easily reach over 1 million, you now reject unification yet you demand we accept the same....now that the shoe is on the other foot and the Turks/TCs are the majority on the island what guarantees would you demand?

Actually the only one who speaks for quarantees in every post is YOU!

And stop trying to scare me with lies.
Here are the population figures from your own pseudo sources.
http://nufussayimi.devplan.org/Census%202006.pdf

[Viewpoint]

Pyro the alternative is unthinkable we are prepared to assimilate with Turks than become a minority in a GC state....we will never let this happen.

[Pyrpolizer]

pyrpolizer

Sad it is my friend. You are right the RoC will be negotiating directly with Turkey. However negotiate for what???
To re-unite with the remnants of Kibrislis plus a sea of trashy settlers? To re-unite with people the vast majority of whom we can't understand, who have totally different ethics than ours? Damn not even the real Kibrislis can get along well with the settlers how could the Kypreos ever manage with them? Isn't it also sad that the REAL kibrislis will be lost for ever?
I would personally not be interested for a BBF anymore. It would clearly be a matter of illegal colonisation from there on whatever that would mean in terms of solving the Cyprus Problem.

Pyrpolizer, Yes it is sad that the REAL Kibrislis will be lost for ever. And this is sad for Cyprus because a part of what makes Cyprus unique will also be lost. However, I cannot help but think you can lead a horse to water but can't make it drink. The Kibrislis know this yet they persist on supporting Turkey. If the Kibrislis are genuine about unification they then need to get out on the streets and also formulate a community representative council lead by those people representing the Kibrislis because their current leader is representing Turkish interests and ignoring their plight for Freedom from the Turkish Occupation regime currently running the occupied area of Cyprus.

I totally agree with you humanist. And to my knowledge the majority of real Kibrislis are genuine about unification,yet they have been trapped in this settlers mess that erode their will. Yes they have to take their fate in their own hands before it's too late. The Eroglu administration is moving fast in locking them in a checkmate situation...

[Pyrpolizer]

Pyro the alternative is unthinkable we are prepared to assimilate with Turks than become a minority in a GC state....we will never let this happen.

Reverting to your cliches VP is really boring. I won't even bother answering such standardized nonsense