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[Bananiot]

MChristoph wrote:

Why you copied B25 words and you put nationalists over TCs? You must be really desperate. And that was a stupid remark, are you Turkish or muslim?

I still think you owe MChristoph an apology B25. Go ahead, explain to this hapless chap, it won't hurt.

NOTE: If MChristoph would bother to check out the saying he would find out that it was said by a great man, not a Turk not a muslim, but by someone who goes beyond race and stupid religions. MChristoph is far too small to understand such depth of thought, obviously. He only understands "them and us" like B25 and all the other bigots of this forum.

[bill cobbett]

You and people like you Piratis are would be surgeons who should never be give a knife, as you are not to be trusted.

Hark the advice from jack the Ripper!

( very good reh)

... but away from entertaining debate, looks boys and girls... a reminder that the only game in town is a BBF ... hopefully one that is rights-based and compliant with UN Resolutions and EU Principles.

... but a word of warning to the Neo-Partitionists, the Birs and the Halils of the Occupied Areas, the born again let's waste another 40 years New Wave Donkytoshits, the BBF is a major compromise from the leaders of the majority population... huge, mega concession.

In return you should offer the other man a few things to ease a deal, amongst which are...

Accept that it is a Federal Solution, not a confederal system, so condemn Errorgluey/Turkey when they go into clear CONfederal territory with such nonsense as International Agreements for the northern zone.

Make some real suggestions in bottom line % figure for the size of the northern zone. A vital, vital figure.

... oh and rather than avoiding the real issues by engaging in nationalist debates with easy targets outside a BBF.... have a try at condemning Erdogun for the comments and the roughing up of protesters last week cos ain't heard a bleeding word of criticism from some of you about the Erdogun visit... ... cos the silence from some of you boys is absolutely disgraceful... and get back with a realistic BBF programme.

I agree with a lot of what you have to say.... But and this is a big but a BBf is also a compromise from the TCs who have our own state (no matter how fucked up it is- and it is not as fucked up as some on here believe- you have to live there or at least visit reguarlarly to understand this.

If the Gcs believe that they are the only ones that are compromising for a BBF then it is doomed to fail, both sides have to realise that the other side has also compromised.

Panatia mou..!... Reh DTA file, the BBF was first agreed in 1977 and reaffirmed in 1981... Donkeytosh established "your own state" the "rcnt" in 1983!

[B25]

MChristoph wrote:

Why you copied B25 words and you put nationalists over TCs? You must be really desperate. And that was a stupid remark, are you Turkish or muslim?

I still think you owe MChristoph an apology B25. Go ahead, explain to this hapless chap, it won't hurt.

NOTE: If MChristoph would bother to check out the saying he would find out that it was said by a great man, not a Turk not a muslim, but by someone who goes beyond race and stupid religions. MChristoph is far too small to understand such depth of thought, obviously. He only understands "them and us" like B25 and all the other bigots of this forum.

Banana man, you have lost me on this one. Mchristoph is female a young 20 year old.

I don't owe anyone an apology, if someone else has confused 2 signatures thats their choice, I had not noticed the comment made by MChristoph and even if I did, why should I do you, of all people the honors. You are not my favorite person.

You signature is most appropriate for the TCs as it sums them up to a 'T'. Thanks, perhaps I should have credited the copyright to you, but the signature box does not allow for more characters.

Note to MChristoph: Beware, this banana man is a turkish mouth piece. He claims to be a GC but he would happily shit on us to please his turkish chums. Take no notice of him, he is a bad influence and would like all GCs to bend over for the turks pleasure. He is a teacher of Biology in some Nicosia educational establishment. Why not do some research and see what he posts. You will be shocked. I wonder if your parents are aware of his teachings to the young!!!!

[DTA]

You and people like you Piratis are would be surgeons who should never be give a knife, as you are not to be trusted.

Hark the advice from jack the Ripper!

( very good reh)

... but away from entertaining debate, looks boys and girls... a reminder that the only game in town is a BBF ... hopefully one that is rights-based and compliant with UN Resolutions and EU Principles.

... but a word of warning to the Neo-Partitionists, the Birs and the Halils of the Occupied Areas, the born again let's waste another 40 years New Wave Donkytoshits, the BBF is a major compromise from the leaders of the majority population... huge, mega concession.

In return you should offer the other man a few things to ease a deal, amongst which are...

Accept that it is a Federal Solution, not a confederal system, so condemn Errorgluey/Turkey when they go into clear CONfederal territory with such nonsense as International Agreements for the northern zone.

Make some real suggestions in bottom line % figure for the size of the northern zone. A vital, vital figure.

... oh and rather than avoiding the real issues by engaging in nationalist debates with easy targets outside a BBF.... have a try at condemning Erdogun for the comments and the roughing up of protesters last week cos ain't heard a bleeding word of criticism from some of you about the Erdogun visit... ... cos the silence from some of you boys is absolutely disgraceful... and get back with a realistic BBF programme.

I agree with a lot of what you have to say.... But and this is a big but a BBf is also a compromise from the TCs who have our own state (no matter how fucked up it is- and it is not as fucked up as some on here believe- you have to live there or at least visit reguarlarly to understand this.

If the Gcs believe that they are the only ones that are compromising for a BBF then it is doomed to fail, both sides have to realise that the other side has also compromised.

Panatia mou..!... Reh DTA file, the BBF was first agreed in 1977 and reaffirmed in 1981... Donkeytosh established "your own state" the "rcnt" in 1983!

Yes I know this Bill, but that does not change the fact that the TRNC exists does it, and the ONLY point that I am trying to make is that both sides need to compromise and both sides need to see the other side as compromising as well otherwise there will be ill feeling. A BBF is not just a compromise for the GCs but also for the TCs... as it should be.

As an aside my view is, yes some land should be handed to the GC side of the BBF there should be a severe reduction or removal of turkish troops and people should either be given their land back or compensated, but none of this takes away from the fact that a BBF is a compromise for the TCs as well, even if none of the above happens.

[Bananiot]

So I lost you B25, you have a short memory it seems or perhaps you are lying.

Why you copied B25 words and you put nationalists over TCs? You must be really desperate. And that was a stupid remark, are you Turkish or muslim?

Explain to your protege that you stole my signature and changed "nationalists" for "TCs" and that in fact what happened was the reverse of what this young female presumed.

By the way, I am still waiting for your reply whether you want me to introduce you to some of the TC's you occasionally pay lip service. You will then understand exactly what I mean when I say that people like you are no different from the Gray Wolves and the sick nationalists on the other side. You have exactly the same mentality and purpose in life and of course you have nothing to offer to this island. In fact, it was people of your kind that destroyed Cyprus in the first place.

[Pyrpolizer]

Thank you Hermes for starting a new topic on this. I am obviously very lousy in starting topics anyway...
VP you mostly base your objections on the fact that you are financially bound to Turkey.
First of all it is the administration that is bound to Turkey by some about $ 1-2 billion per year. With a side Government you are not bound anymore.
Bir hello once again and welcome back.
The slogan that the "GCs stole our rights" is very old . It might have had some meaning in the 60s but not after 1974 although it continued been cultivated by Denktash even after 1974. After the opening of the gates I don't think there are many Kibrislis left thinking of this to be anything near to what was stolen from the Kypreos.

You may say that what the RoC has done for them after 1974 is the minimum, I say it was the maximum possible. If you disagree then tell us what else could it have done.

I agree that Eroglu was saying the same things long before Erdogan, even in a milder way. The question is WHO IS EROGLU???
Is he really the true representative of the Kibrislis???

Hello,dear Pyro,and thank you for the welcome ...I havent really b een away,just not posting...One gets bored repeating the same old arguments after a while...

The phrase "GCs stole our rights" is not a slogan for many Kibrislis,it is a historical fact...Historical facts do not get old,they become more and more entrenched...And yes,most Kibrislis believe that the successive GC governments did only the minimum for the TCs...If you claim to be the sole legitimate government for all Cypriots you have to pay certain price,in this case passports,pensions,and free hospital treatment..

.What was taken however was the political rights of the TC community as per the 1960 constitution,and tht is what has to be returned...Between 1963 and 74, basking in the glory of removing the TCs from power,Makarios agreed to nothing which would restore the situation...He played the political game well,and left to him there would've been no Cyprus problem to talk about today...He was methodical in his tactics to make the TCs leave Cyprus,and he would've succeeded...

Things are somewhat different since 1974,but not for the TCs...They have now lost their political power to Turkey,and all they get is the blame for their own misfortunes...This is what has to stop...the Kypreos must stop denying what they did back in 63,which was esssentially throwing the TCs out of power at gunpoint...Admit the responsibility and offer reconstitution...

If you abuse somebody and deny it,or say 'look your own side is abusing you as well,so that absolves us" is not going to work...You are wasting your time here,cooking up impossible dreams...Wasting time we do not have...As VP keeps telling you,the average TC living in the trnc would rather put up with all the negatives of Turkey's assimilation policy than run back to the arms of their original abusers,especially when that abuser has shown no sign of understanding, remorse, or regret...

Even the worst opponents of Turkey's policies (the Unions,Jasmine movement,Afrika newspaper etc) have never suggested such a move...What the RoC government has to do now is to accept the TC community as equal partners in a BBF...The rights TCs had in the founding Constitution need now ,in the light of all that transpired since 1974,to translate into political equality with a bizonal statelet...It shouldnt be too difficult to satisfy all the GC fears regarding the future,if there is goodwill,and determination to right the past wrongs...If you keep forcing Erdogan's hand he will do what he is threatening to do (go alone and dictate his own solution) whatever the cost...Such is the stark reality we all face...Ignore it at your own peril,and the peril of all Cypriots,Kypreos and Kibrislis alike...

Hello Dear Bir.

Notice I was very careful in my previous post to point out that there are stolen rights from both sides. Now If you want to concentrate on the events of the 60s then do that and be ready to accept the responses that followed.Then you may understand that it’s not only the Kibrislis that have sleeping woulds but the Kypreos as well for the events of 1974.

The point is the Kypreos have already accepted the BBF with political equality, in fact that is the ONLY chapter (the chapter of Government and power sharing) on which there has been substantial progress both during Talat and Eroglu.
Why? Because that was the only thing the Kypreos side could give and the Kibrisli side take.
Now you tell me what the Kibrisli side and the Turks behind them have given.
Hearing Eroglus statements first and then Erdogans ones it is obvious that they are asking for everything while they will give nothing.

I am really puzzled by your saying "If you keep forcing Erdogan's hand he will do what he is threatening to do"? How do the Kypreos push his hand??? By not accepting to give everything and get nothing LOL?

[Pyrpolizer]

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[bill cobbett]

( very good reh)

... but away from entertaining debate, looks boys and girls... a reminder that the only game in town is a BBF ... hopefully one that is rights-based and compliant with UN Resolutions and EU Principles.

... but a word of warning to the Neo-Partitionists, the Birs and the Halils of the Occupied Areas, the born again let's waste another 40 years New Wave Donkytoshits, the BBF is a major compromise from the leaders of the majority population... huge, mega concession.

In return you should offer the other man a few things to ease a deal, amongst which are...

Accept that it is a Federal Solution, not a confederal system, so condemn Errorgluey/Turkey when they go into clear CONfederal territory with such nonsense as International Agreements for the northern zone.

Make some real suggestions in bottom line % figure for the size of the northern zone. A vital, vital figure.

... oh and rather than avoiding the real issues by engaging in nationalist debates with easy targets outside a BBF.... have a try at condemning Erdogun for the comments and the roughing up of protesters last week cos ain't heard a bleeding word of criticism from some of you about the Erdogun visit... ... cos the silence from some of you boys is absolutely disgraceful... and get back with a realistic BBF programme.

I agree with a lot of what you have to say.... But and this is a big but a BBf is also a compromise from the TCs who have our own state (no matter how fucked up it is- and it is not as fucked up as some on here believe- you have to live there or at least visit reguarlarly to understand this.

If the Gcs believe that they are the only ones that are compromising for a BBF then it is doomed to fail, both sides have to realise that the other side has also compromised.

Panatia mou..!... Reh DTA file, the BBF was first agreed in 1977 and reaffirmed in 1981... Donkeytosh established "your own state" the "rcnt" in 1983!

Yes I know this Bill, but that does not change the fact that the TRNC exists does it, and the ONLY point that I am trying to make is that both sides need to compromise and both sides need to see the other side as compromising as well otherwise there will be ill feeling. A BBF is not just a compromise for the GCs but also for the TCs... as it should be.

As an aside my view is, yes some land should be handed to the GC side of the BBF there should be a severe reduction or removal of turkish troops and people should either be given their land back or compensated, but none of this takes away from the fact that a BBF is a compromise for the TCs as well, even if none of the above happens.

Erm... no mate the rctn doesn't exist, what exists is an area of CY ethically cleansed of population by the TA and under the Occupation of Turkey, and administered by Turkey as the Occupying Power. That is the state of affairs and the correct description of the situation north of the cease-fire line, that is how the rest of the world sees things up there, so the BBF is a concession from the Free Areas only.

On the matter of land, your family's land in Paphos is your land, no one else's, it is your family's and it's your family's right to do whatever they want with it, to go and live there, to sell it, to rent it out...it's their call. No States or Governments or International Agreements or Negotiation Talks should interfere with your family's lands... and the same must apply to to those who own property in the Occupied Areas. Rights are Universal brother, your rights and my rights are equal and no person's rights are negotiable.

[B25]

So I lost you B25, you have a short memory it seems or perhaps you are lying.

Why you copied B25 words and you put nationalists over TCs? You must be really desperate. And that was a stupid remark, are you Turkish or muslim?

Explain to your protege that you stole my signature and changed "nationalists" for "TCs" and that in fact what happened was the reverse of what this young female presumed.

By the way, I am still waiting for your reply whether you want me to introduce you to some of the TC's you occasionally pay lip service. You will then understand exactly what I mean when I say that people like you are no different from the Gray Wolves and the sick nationalists on the other side. You have exactly the same mentality and purpose in life and of course you have nothing to offer to this island. In fact, it was people of your kind that destroyed Cyprus in the first place.

Thanks for the offer of introduction, but the TCs are not my cup of tea right now. More yours than mine.

What exactly do you offer that I don't?? Your afternoon tea with the boys on Sat, or your constant degredation of the GC community? What exactly??
Hade re pou tziame.

As for the young lady in question, I did not see her comments on the signatures, but if it makes you fell better, I admit I 'borrowed' your signature because it was very fitting and as I said sums them up nicely. Does that bother you??

Bananiot, if wanting the freedom of this country from foreign occupation is being a nationalist, then I am happy to accept it. Do you accept the label or being a traitor to you community??? Or is that not allowed? You see, whats good for the goose, is also good for the gander, make up you mind.

Cheers, do you feel better now?

[Pyrpolizer]

Yes I know this Bill, but that does not change the fact that the TRNC exists does it, and the ONLY point that I am trying to make is that both sides need to compromise and both sides need to see the other side as compromising as well otherwise there will be ill feeling. A BBF is not just a compromise for the GCs but also for the TCs... as it should be.

As an aside my view is, yes some land should be handed to the GC side of the BBF there should be a severe reduction or removal of turkish troops and people should either be given their land back or compensated, but none of this takes away from the fact that a BBF is a compromise for the TCs as well, even if none of the above happens.

DTA let's face for the vast majority of Kibrislis a final BBF solution will be an elevation from the "trnc" status whereas for the vast majority of Kypreos that would be a degrading from the RoC status.

But then again to reach that BBF the Kibrisli side has to give back land and settle the property issue, so i agree with you that on the overall it's a compromise from both sides.