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[Pyrpolizer]

Kiks why do you bother man?
The flyman even said that for 30 years after 1974 the Kypreos did not take any deal. Totally forgetting who was priming all those years among the Kibrislis and what he wanted for a solution. The name Denktash does not even ring any bell for him LOL

[Kikapu]

Kiks why do you bother man?
The flyman even said that for 30 years after 1974 the Kypreos did not take any deal. Totally forgetting who was priming all those years among the Kibrislis and what he wanted for a solution. The name Denktash does not even ring any bell for him LOL

I know, Pyro. I just had 5 minutes to waste, so I thought I would do it on bigOz.

[halil]

New polling from the star kibris.......

Kıbrıs'ta hangi çözümü istiyorsunuz? what kind of solution u want in Cyprus...
Federal (% 76) ..............federal
Konfederal (% 24) ............confederal

http://www.starkibris.net/oyver.asp?cev ... 0&x=33&y=8

hade re Kibrisli boys/girls show up your interest ............

[Viewpoint]

Assimilation in to Turkey is a more attractive option as no TCs wants to be reduced to minority status in a GC state, the only window left open is compromise to a degree that would alleviate the TCs concerns to guarantee that those will never happen. To date no GC leader has been able to address and erase these concerns thats why a solution will never be found unless it is forced and of that happens how committed do you think each side will be? meaning a total collapse within a very short period of time, back to square one.

The nursery schools are closed today?

Thank you for confirming my point you have no answers.

You post exactly the same rubbish every day. It has been answered so many times it doesn't need to be done again.

And the answers are exactly? ignoring our concerns thats not good enough.

[Viewpoint]

Its a novel idea but un-workable, unless there is an anti occupation 'mass movement' then i cant see how it would work. The UN/EU would be seen as 'interfering' thus creating an even more hardline reaction from Turkey and its proxies. The best thing the EU could and should have done was and is to use econmoic leverage aganist Turkey. what other leverage have we got left?
TC's cannot 'break away' we simply dont have the means to do that unless a genuine pan cypriot movement developed. However, for that to happen I believe the GC;s need to call Turkeys Bluff and 'recognize or quasi recognize' the North.

My friend the whole thing starts from the point whether Eroglu represents the real Kibrislis or not. It is very easy to prove that Eroglu does not represent you. All you have to do is to mobilize and ask for help to prove it.This help can come from anywhere the Kibrislis want, first preference for me would be the UN, second the EU 3rd the RoC, or better all of them together. Once you PROVE this point, then there will be an avalanche of developments.

a)at the same time you prove that the will of the real Kibrislis has been eroded by the settlers who impose on you "leaders" that don't want a solution and don't represent you.
b)You prove that the presence of settlers and their given "citizenship" is a real burden in finding a solution
c)You get the backup of the UN, EU etc to either remove Eroglu or form a Provisional Government.
d)You limit the control of Turkey to only providing you security until a solution is found.Contrary to what happens now that Turkey does whatever she likes with your fates.

I am not saying the solution will come easy even after that.But at least the major obstacles in finding one will be gone.

After all what is the alternative? Just sit there, do nothing of essence other than demonstrating in the streets and be beaten? I think you said it yourself, that you participated in so many demonstrations yet nothing happens and your voices get slimmer and slimmer. If the Kibrislis continue like that then VP's favorable expectation to be assimilated with the mainland Turks is a matter of a few years away, I say maximum 15.

I wish the Kypreos and the RoC could help you, but unfortunately we are also weak. the Kibrislis must take their fate in their OWN HANDS and it's upto them to succeed or not. And who knows if you get successful the RoC might be able to do something about helping you stand financially on your own feet, it all depends how the new situation will be.

We have all be caught in a spiders web that we know exactly what will happen in the end.Unless we do something RADICAL then we are finished.

Pyro can you tell us why we should be doing this? whats the end goal for TCs?

[Viewpoint]

Btw was't Denktash put on the side and Talat got the strings without been even elected as president of the Kibrislis? Has anyone objected to that, when it became clear that Denktash did not represent the will of the Kibrislis even if he was still "president"? Nobody objected, be it Turkey, the EU the UN what-have-you.
And whats the difference between Denktash and Eroglu. They are both the same shit , albeit the former was clever whereas the latter is stupid.

I repeat the most stupid thing the RoC and Christofias has ever done was to accept Eroglu as the true leader of the Kibrislis.

Denktas was not the obstacle to a solution as we saw when he was removed and replaced with Talat the most flexible a leader you will ever get, yet still no solution speaks volumes about the real obstruction to a solution the GCs..

[bill cobbett]

Well left to their own devices, the comrades Pres X and the soft and cuddly Mr Talat may have got somewhere, but we all know Turkey wasn't gonna let Talat negotiate on terms that would suit all CYs.. He was expected to pursue Turkey's interests.

[EPSILON]

With brewing tensions between Turkey and the settlers on one hand and the T/Cs on the other, isn't it time to form a united front against Turkey with the aim of negotiations with pro-solution T/Cs and not Eroglu/Turkey?

Is it time for the Turkish Cypriots to break away from the "TRNC" and form a shadow government that represents the Kibrislis - and not the settlers or Turkey - and that could begin negotiations with the RoC for a federal solution?

Shouldn't our next move then be to seek EU backing for negotiations with an alternative T/C leadership, sidelining Turkey, leading to a solution that could be presented to Turkey on a take-it-or-leave-it basis? Especially if such a solution is linked to Turkey's EU accession? Surely it's time for the negotiations to be truly Cypriot-owned?

This thought was inspired by comments made by Pyrpolizer in another thread. I'm sure he won't mind my quoting them here:

It's becoming more and more obvious that the CYprob is more of a problem of the Cypriots (Kibrislis & Kypreos) Vs Turkey rather than a problem between us.

How do you suggest we should proceed? I don't think there is any other way other than building a UNITED FRONT.

My suggestion would be for the REAL KIBRISLIS to neglect the leadership the settlers imposed on them (I mean Eroglu) and establish a SIDE GOVERNMENT made purely from votes coming from Real Kibrislis. Civil disobedience to the Eroglu administration should come next.

The most STUPID thing the RoC is doing is discussing with Eroglu and even acknowledging him as the real and democratically elected LOL leader of the Kibrislis!! This is nonsense, everybody knows he was not elected with the votes of the real Kibrislis, but with the votes of the settlers.

Wrong / wrong.!!T/cs must stack on Turkish new empire dreams and colapse with it.
they were/are/will be- trators (exempt 120 persons in total) -G/cs must stop to lieve in dreams and propaganta sayings.We must stop this stupid policy to consider the invators co-operators as our co-patriots! Is time for G/cs to cllarify -in their minds- the difference between -some stupids actions in 1974-from their Ethnicity and real ownership of their Island.

[Pyrpolizer]

Kiks why do you bother man?
The flyman even said that for 30 years after 1974 the Kypreos did not take any deal. Totally forgetting who was priming all those years among the Kibrislis and what he wanted for a solution. The name Denktash does not even ring any bell for him LOL

I know, Pyro. I just had 5 minutes to waste, so I thought I would do it on bigOz.

[Pyrpolizer]

With brewing tensions between Turkey and the settlers on one hand and the T/Cs on the other, isn't it time to form a united front against Turkey with the aim of negotiations with pro-solution T/Cs and not Eroglu/Turkey?

Is it time for the Turkish Cypriots to break away from the "TRNC" and form a shadow government that represents the Kibrislis - and not the settlers or Turkey - and that could begin negotiations with the RoC for a federal solution?

Shouldn't our next move then be to seek EU backing for negotiations with an alternative T/C leadership, sidelining Turkey, leading to a solution that could be presented to Turkey on a take-it-or-leave-it basis? Especially if such a solution is linked to Turkey's EU accession? Surely it's time for the negotiations to be truly Cypriot-owned?

This thought was inspired by comments made by Pyrpolizer in another thread. I'm sure he won't mind my quoting them here:

It's becoming more and more obvious that the CYprob is more of a problem of the Cypriots (Kibrislis & Kypreos) Vs Turkey rather than a problem between us.

How do you suggest we should proceed? I don't think there is any other way other than building a UNITED FRONT.

My suggestion would be for the REAL KIBRISLIS to neglect the leadership the settlers imposed on them (I mean Eroglu) and establish a SIDE GOVERNMENT made purely from votes coming from Real Kibrislis. Civil disobedience to the Eroglu administration should come next.

The most STUPID thing the RoC is doing is discussing with Eroglu and even acknowledging him as the real and democratically elected LOL leader of the Kibrislis!! This is nonsense, everybody knows he was not elected with the votes of the real Kibrislis, but with the votes of the settlers.

Wrong / wrong.!!T/cs must stack on Turkish new empire dreams and colapse with it.
they were/are/will be- trators (exempt 120 persons in total) -G/cs must stop to lieve in dreams and propaganta sayings.We must stop this stupid policy to consider the invators co-operators as our co-patriots! Is time for G/cs to cllarify -in their minds- the difference between -some stupids actions in 1974-from their Ethnicity and real ownership of their Island.

I do care for them too Epsilon and I consider them my compatriots.Although I admit there were traitors among them as there were traitors among the Kypreos.
For me it will be the same thing, if they, or us, or both lose a part of our Country.