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[bill cobbett]

It's a start...

http://www.solidarityplatform.net/2011/ ... ement.html

Oh dear... regrets mate... there are at least 2 refs on the home page to "own country", in an automonous state sort of way; now if they would kindly change that, then it would be a start.

Bill, I think there is some confusion in the statement. One reference is dubious where they refer to becoming a "minority in their own country" whereas the other reference to their "own country" is not necessarily to the "trnc" but to Cyprus. As in "to unite their own country as one within the European Union".

Fact is they are coming round, however slowly, to the idea that Turkey is not in Cyprus for the interests of the T/Cs. The opposite in fact: the T/Cs are an obstacle to Turkey's intention of Turkifying the north.

I've no doubt that many T/Cs wish is for an autonomous T/C state. But that isn't an option - which probably explains the confusion. Realistically, it's either federation in the EU or assimilation by Turkey. It's a pretty clear choice.

Koumbare... Koumbare... koumbare Hermes...(he said in a drawn out sort of way)... in the hope that they will, as you say, see the lack of an option, all will further say is on a minorish point, that the title of this movement stinks.... perhaps something has been lost in translation... what sounds good and apropo in turkish or greek just won't win any advertising awards in Things Should Do What They Say On The Can English.

[Viewpoint]

Assimilation in to Turkey is a more attractive option as no TCs wants to be reduced to minority status in a GC state, the only window left open is compromise to a degree that would alleviate the TCs concerns to guarantee that those will never happen. To date no GC leader has been able to address and erase these concerns thats why a solution will never be found unless it is forced and of that happens how committed do you think each side will be? meaning a total collapse within a very short period of time, back to square one.

[CBBB]

Assimilation in to Turkey is a more attractive option as no TCs wants to be reduced to minority status in a GC state, the only window left open is compromise to a degree that would alleviate the TCs concerns to guarantee that those will never happen. To date no GC leader has been able to address and erase these concerns thats why a solution will never be found unless it is forced and of that happens how committed do you think each side will be? meaning a total collapse within a very short period of time, back to square one.

The nursery schools are closed today?

[Viewpoint]

Assimilation in to Turkey is a more attractive option as no TCs wants to be reduced to minority status in a GC state, the only window left open is compromise to a degree that would alleviate the TCs concerns to guarantee that those will never happen. To date no GC leader has been able to address and erase these concerns thats why a solution will never be found unless it is forced and of that happens how committed do you think each side will be? meaning a total collapse within a very short period of time, back to square one.

The nursery schools are closed today?

Thank you for confirming my point you have no answers.

[CBBB]

Assimilation in to Turkey is a more attractive option as no TCs wants to be reduced to minority status in a GC state, the only window left open is compromise to a degree that would alleviate the TCs concerns to guarantee that those will never happen. To date no GC leader has been able to address and erase these concerns thats why a solution will never be found unless it is forced and of that happens how committed do you think each side will be? meaning a total collapse within a very short period of time, back to square one.

The nursery schools are closed today?

Thank you for confirming my point you have no answers.

You post exactly the same rubbish every day. It has been answered so many times it doesn't need to be done again.

[jahitty]

Its a novel idea but un-workable, unless there is an anti occupation 'mass movement' then i cant see how it would work. The UN/EU would be seen as 'interfering' thus creating an even more hardline reaction from Turkey and its proxies. The best thing the EU could and should have done was and is to use econmoic leverage aganist Turkey. what other leverage have we got left?
TC's cannot 'break away' we simply dont have the means to do that unless a genuine pan cypriot movement developed. However, for that to happen I believe the GC;s need to call Turkeys Bluff and 'recognize or quasi recognize' the North.

[Pyrpolizer]

Its a novel idea but un-workable, unless there is an anti occupation 'mass movement' then i cant see how it would work. The UN/EU would be seen as 'interfering' thus creating an even more hardline reaction from Turkey and its proxies. The best thing the EU could and should have done was and is to use econmoic leverage aganist Turkey. what other leverage have we got left?
TC's cannot 'break away' we simply dont have the means to do that unless a genuine pan cypriot movement developed. However, for that to happen I believe the GC;s need to call Turkeys Bluff and 'recognize or quasi recognize' the North.

My friend the whole thing starts from the point whether Eroglu represents the real Kibrislis or not. It is very easy to prove that Eroglu does not represent you. All you have to do is to mobilize and ask for help to prove it.This help can come from anywhere the Kibrislis want, first preference for me would be the UN, second the EU 3rd the RoC, or better all of them together. Once you PROVE this point, then there will be an avalanche of developments.

a)at the same time you prove that the will of the real Kibrislis has been eroded by the settlers who impose on you "leaders" that don't want a solution and don't represent you.
b)You prove that the presence of settlers and their given "citizenship" is a real burden in finding a solution
c)You get the backup of the UN, EU etc to either remove Eroglu or form a Provisional Government.
d)You limit the control of Turkey to only providing you security until a solution is found.Contrary to what happens now that Turkey does whatever she likes with your fates.

I am not saying the solution will come easy even after that.But at least the major obstacles in finding one will be gone.

After all what is the alternative? Just sit there, do nothing of essence other than demonstrating in the streets and be beaten? I think you said it yourself, that you participated in so many demonstrations yet nothing happens and your voices get slimmer and slimmer. If the Kibrislis continue like that then VP's favorable expectation to be assimilated with the mainland Turks is a matter of a few years away, I say maximum 15.

I wish the Kypreos and the RoC could help you, but unfortunately we are also weak. the Kibrislis must take their fate in their OWN HANDS and it's upto them to succeed or not. And who knows if you get successful the RoC might be able to do something about helping you stand financially on your own feet, it all depends how the new situation will be.

We have all be caught in a spiders web that we know exactly what will happen in the end.Unless we do something RADICAL then we are finished.

[Pyrpolizer]

Btw was't Denktash put on the side and Talat got the strings without been even elected as president of the Kibrislis? Has anyone objected to that, when it became clear that Denktash did not represent the will of the Kibrislis even if he was still "president"? Nobody objected, be it Turkey, the EU the UN what-have-you.
And whats the difference between Denktash and Eroglu. They are both the same shit , albeit the former was clever whereas the latter is stupid.

I repeat the most stupid thing the RoC and Christofias has ever done was to accept Eroglu as the true leader of the Kibrislis.

[Kikapu]

When the GCs were negotiating with the TCs who were desperate for an agreement, the GC leadership toyed with them all the time, because they were spoiled by the support from Europe. This went on for more than 30 years, during which the TCs started to leave TRNC and move to other countries. After 2000, especially after the refusal of the Annan plan , Turks from mainland Turkey started to flow in and invest heavily to be a part of an unrecognized EU member state, in anticipation...
That has changed things beyond repair now. The mainland Turkish population is bigger than the original TC population at this time. So how do you think a proper TC party who claims Cyprus for Cypriots will ever win an election? My sincere apologies but the GCs have no one but themselves to blame for not coming to their senses few decades ago!

In short, the roles are reversed now! Growing Turkish economy does not really need/want EU, and ever increasing Turkish population in Cyprus, who are eligible to vote, do not want to give anything back to GCs - even at the cost of no solution! Are they bothered? NO! Are they starving or lacking the comforts of any other small EU community? NO! Do they feel safer than if they joined in with the EOKA-B littered GC South? So any solution now will only come with major concessions by GCs. Else, we are all on a very long & winding road -that will give everyone long enough time to huff and puff in Cyprus-Forum

bigOz,


So you think the influx of illegal Turkish settlers into the north came after 2000, specially after the failure of the AP in 2004, do you?.

The below numbers says otherwise, don't you think.?

From below links and figures, it shows very clearly, that the numbers in the north started to rise very rapidly after 1972. Perhaps 1974 had something to do with it, you think.?

Table 7. Turkish Cypriot Population, Selected Dates, Sixteenth Century to 1988

Date Population*
Sixteenth century 40,000 to 60,000
Eighteenth century 60,000
1881 45,458
1911 56,428
1921 61,339
1931 64,245
1946 80,548
1960 104,333
1963 120,000
1972 78,000
1978 146,740
1982 152,239
1986 162,676
1988 167,256
* Figures through 1960 are based on Ottoman and British estimates and censuses. Figures thereafter are provided by Turkish Cypriot authorities.

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/cyprus/cy_appen.html

The link below states that, in 1996, there were 200,000 in the "trnc" and 264,000 by 2006, so if we were to interpolate the numbers between 1996 and 2006 for the north, in 2004, there would have been already 251,000 "trnc citizens", therefore, your claim that the north was flooded by the settlers from Turkey as a result of the failure of the AP in 2004 is not a correct one, is it?

I. and II. Stage Results (Amended on 10 September, 2007)

COMPARISON OF 1996 POPULATION CENSUS WITH PRELIMINARY AND FINAL RESULTS OF 2006 POPULATION AND HOUSING UNIT CENSUS

http://nufussayimi.devplan.org/Kesin-so ... ex_en.html

[Pyrpolizer]

Assimilation in to Turkey is a more attractive option as no TCs wants to be reduced to minority status in a GC state, the only window left open is compromise to a degree that would alleviate the TCs concerns to guarantee that those will never happen. To date no GC leader has been able to address and erase these concerns thats why a solution will never be found unless it is forced and of that happens how committed do you think each side will be? meaning a total collapse within a very short period of time, back to square one.

Speak for yourself regarding your preferences VP.You ARE NOT the Kibrislis. You just belong to the cast of partitionists, and you are not even the majority.
Everything you write is repeation of the same cliches.You sound like a broken record. "we don't trust you, we want guarantees, better the Turks than you blah blah blah"