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Erdogan Effectively Ends Talks

Postby Hermes » Tue Jul 19, 2011 1:11 pm

Well it looks like there is nothing left to discuss...

Time of concessions over in Cyprus, Erdoğan says.

Turkey is no longer prepared to accept the concessions it has agreed to in order to help with the reunification of Cyprus in line with a UN plan back in 2004 and the Turkish side will accept nothing short of recognition of a two-state solution on the island, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has said.

Erdoğan, speaking to a group of Turkish Cypriot journalists ahead of a Tuesday trip to the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (KKTC), said 2012 was a final deadline for a settlement on the island. “We will see if this is resolved by 2012 or not. If it is not, we will have to find solutions ourselves,” Erdoğan was quoted as saying by the Anatolia news agency on Tuesday. The news conference took place on Monday.

The Turkish side has long warned that talks to reunite Cyprus will not continue forever and that Ankara might seek international recognition for the KKTC -- currently recognized only by Turkey -- if reunification efforts fail. Erdoğan said there were “different alternatives” concerning recognition of the KKTC. “There are alternatives that we will discuss with our Turkish Cypriot brothers. I mean, this process [of reunification] shall stop if necessary. What are we supposed to do if it is not working?” the Turkish prime minister asked.

Turkey backed the UN plan, named after former UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan, to reunite the island. The plan, however, failed because it was rejected by Greek Cypriots. The Turkish Cypriots, on the other hand, approved the plan in a simultaneous referendum.

Erdoğan said the Greek Cypriot side was still expecting the Turkish side to agree to even broader concessions than the ones in the Annan plan, but made it clear that the circumstances have changed. “The Annan plan conditions have changed. We will be coming to [the negotiating] table differently. They [the Greek Cypriots] are still thinking of what more they get can get besides [concessions stipulated in] the Annan plan. Well, excuse us, but the time [of concessions] has passed,” said Erdoğan.

The prime minister said Turkey no longer agrees to the return of Güzelyurt (Morphou) and Karpas (Karpaz) to the Greek Cypriots, as envisioned in the Annan plan. “Güzelyurt entirely belongs to Turkish Cyprus. As for Karpaz, the slightest change in its status is unacceptable,” Erdoğan told Turkish Cypriot journalists, although he said the Greek Cypriots would be welcome to visit holy areas in Karpaz.

Responding to the question on Maraş (Varosha), which has been fenced off since the Turkish military intervention in the island in 1974, Erdoğan also signaled that there would be no change in the Turkish position as long as the Greek Cypriots maintain “bad faith.” Varosha has been closed to anyone except the Turkish military and UN personnel, deployed on the island on a peace-keeping mission. The Annan plan had provided for the return of Varosha to Greek Cypriot control.

“If the Greek Cypriots are still hoping that they will have the [Turkish-run] northern Cyprus, they will wait in vain to see this happen. They will wait in vain as long as Turkey remains a guarantor state,” he added.

Erdoğan dismissed once again withdrawing troops from the island. “We had agreed to withdraw troops under the Annan plan. They [the Greek Cypriots] did not accept it. So, they lost [their chance].”

“We speak clearly and firmly. A bi-zonal structure of two states with equal status must be accepted. Whether or not to accept it is up to them,” said Erdoğan.

The prime minister also reiterated that Turkish-European Union relations will be suspended if Greek Cyprus, an EU member since 2004, takes over the 27-nation bloc's rotating presidency in the second half of 2012 without a settlement on the island. “We will never have dialogue with them [Greek Cyprus] during their presidency. Relations with the EU will freeze, meaning there will be no Turkey-EU relations for that six-month period,” he said.

The prime minister also appealed to Turkish Cypriot families to help increase the Turkish Cypriot population of the island. The daily Milliyet, whose reporter in the KKTC was among the group of journalists that met with Erdoğan, reported that the prime minister asked journalists about how many children they had. When a female journalist revealed that she had been married for seven years but had no child, Erdoğan said: “You don't have babies and you also oppose us sending people [from Turkey to the KKTC]. If you don't want us to send people, you need to have babies.”

Erdoğan, who has repeatedly called on Turkish families to have at least three children, argued that Turkish Cypriot families must have at least four children.


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Re: Erdogan Effectively Ends Talks

Postby B25 » Tue Jul 19, 2011 1:33 pm

Well, here is my answer to Mr E.

We will hold the Presidency with or without you.
You can freeze EU relations at your peril.
You can stick the Ankara Plan where the sun doesn't shine. it was a worthless plan to us.
The TC can have 100 children to raise in a non opportunity land stolen and will always be illegal.
Just keep remembering, No DF, No DT, NO recognition, you have jack shit.

So, all this political posturing is just hot air. You have offered 'concessions', what they are is anyones guess, and you withdraw them, so why should we trust anything you say or sign. 3rd world, bazaar mentality peasant gypsies, go to hell.

Thanks and over and out.

P.S. Bananiotioglu, if you need a tissue, let me know.
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Re: Erdogan Effectively Ends Talks

Postby Hermes » Tue Jul 19, 2011 2:27 pm

The question is: since Erdogan is only prepared for strict partition and has even repudiated the Annan Plan, what is the point of continuing the talks? On what basis is a deal possible? Is there any point in continuing the charade?

Surely it's better for Christofias to resign and to hold elections for a new President in the Autumn. The current UN talks are just a waste of everyone's time and the deadlines for progress are just a game we should no longer take part in.

Once a new President and government are installed in early 2012, we can see where we are. If Turkey wants to negotiate seriously then fine. If not, we just veto Turkey's EU accession, add strict conditions for any future resumption of its accession process, and get on with assuming the EU Presidency. There is nothing to gain from sticking to the current talks.
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Re: Erdogan Effectively Ends Talks

Postby B25 » Tue Jul 19, 2011 2:58 pm

Quite, he has given us an ultimatum, we have every right to just drop these farcicle talks and we can easily cite Turkeys obstructiveness.

They have dug their own hole as I see it, no need to TRY and pass any blame, Turkey had decided for us :)

You do have to laugh though, a 'top' politician closing any backdoor he had. What will he now say, if things continue? Will he carry out his threat??? I would like to see the Turkish trade figures when he does. If I were a major investor in Turkey, I would be seriously concerned, wouldn't you????
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Re: Erdogan Effectively Ends Talks

Postby boomerang » Tue Jul 19, 2011 3:16 pm

as if turkey's path has not been frozen already...turkey has been frozen out of the eu long ago...now they wanna make sure the embargoes on the tcs stay put...

The proposed European Union budget for 2014-2020 calls for imposing new taxes on citizens and companies, marking a period of fiscal tightening. The draft budget, unveiled on Wednesday by Jose Manuel Barroso, makes no mention of Turkey, meaning that Ankara will have to wait until ‘at least’ 2020 to enter the EU.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=turkey-absent-in-new-eu-budget-2011-06-30


turkey is using cyprus as a bargaining chip in vain to regain entry...i reckon if a deal was struct and turkey was to be admitted, she would pole vault out of cyprus at a blink of an eye...

turkeys main concern right now is to be seen as a regional power, an unacheivable task when your are getting bitch slapped by a tiny nation...and when the cyprus EU presidency takes over the turks are gonna be livid...it's not just an EU issue but a NATO issue in a big way...

and ofcourse cyprus as the EU president will dictate the EU agenda...the best our politicians can do is pick an agenda that will punish turkey in some way...because as erdog says he will freeze relations between the EU and turkey for 6 months...this great the agenda can be anything and since they black listed themselves for 6 months then they will lose any voice they had...they will be sitting at a different table... :lol:
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Re: Erdogan Effectively Ends Talks

Postby bill cobbett » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:27 pm

Kibris newspaper in the Occupied Areas reports that Erdogan has said that Varosha and Morfou will not be returned to their legal owners.
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Re: Erdogan Effectively Ends Talks

Postby bill cobbett » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:37 pm

Cyprus News Report refers to a report in Kibrisli of planned protests to the Erdogan visit today.

..."Kibrisli reports that representatives from various civil society organizations and political parties gave yesterday a press conference in KTOS offices, inviting all the people to the protests against the visit of Recep Tayip Erdogan. BKP, KSP, YKP, Baraka Cultural Centre, E.K.I.M Cultural Centre, Gelecek newspaper, Barikat newspaper, Cag-Sen, DAU-Bir-Sen, KTOS and Tip-Is expressed their support to the demonstration which is scheduled to take place today at 5 p.m."...

http://www.cyprusnewsreport.com/?q=node/4387
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Re: Erdogan Effectively Ends Talks

Postby Cap » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:43 pm

Erdogan Effectively Ends Talks


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Re: Erdogan Effectively Ends Talks

Postby boulio » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:48 pm

just split the country 80-20 and build a big wall and let the t/c do whatever they want,WHy would g/c what to deal with these idiots to begin with.
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Re: Erdogan Effectively Ends Talks

Postby bill cobbett » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:55 pm

Teachers Union in the Occupied Areas comparing the Erdotnuc visit as like Hitler visiting Occupied Paris in WW2...

http://www.ktos.org/haberler-hitler#.Th ... w.facebook
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