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[halil]

what i heard from Erdogan sayings ............

“There is absolutely no doubt now that the solution within the UN parameters will be found in accordance to the agreements of the leaders in their joint statements during the current negotiation process. The new partnership within this framework will be a bi-zonal, bi-communal federation based on political equality as described in the relevant resolutions of the UN Security Council. In parallel to a federal government with a single international identity, this partnership will have a Founding Turkish Cypriot State and a Founding Greek Cypriot State.”...............

Erdogan reiterated that an agreement should be reached by the end of the year and a referendum should be held before July 2012, so that the “new partnership state” can take the term presidency of the European Union...........

whats wrong with above ?............

[CBBB]

what i heard from Erdogan sayings ............

“There is absolutely no doubt now that the solution within the UN parameters will be found in accordance to the agreements of the leaders in their joint statements during the current negotiation process. The new partnership within this framework will be a bi-zonal, bi-communal federation based on political equality as described in the relevant resolutions of the UN Security Council. In parallel to a federal government with a single international identity, this partnership will have a Founding Turkish Cypriot State and a Founding Greek Cypriot State.”...............

Erdogan reiterated that an agreement should be reached by the end of the year and a referendum should be held before July 2012, so that the “new partnership state” can take the term presidency of the European Union...........

whats wrong with above ?............

That is not too bad Halil (except for the time-frame), but it was the other things Hitler, oh sorry, Erdogan said that upset people.

[halil]

what i heard from Erdogan sayings ............

“There is absolutely no doubt now that the solution within the UN parameters will be found in accordance to the agreements of the leaders in their joint statements during the current negotiation process. The new partnership within this framework will be a bi-zonal, bi-communal federation based on political equality as described in the relevant resolutions of the UN Security Council. In parallel to a federal government with a single international identity, this partnership will have a Founding Turkish Cypriot State and a Founding Greek Cypriot State.”...............

Erdogan reiterated that an agreement should be reached by the end of the year and a referendum should be held before July 2012, so that the “new partnership state” can take the term presidency of the European Union...........

whats wrong with above ?............

That is not too bad Halil (except for the time-frame), but it was the other things Hitler, oh sorry, Erdogan said that upset people.

CBBB both side says something that upset people of both sides .....whoever says ...whatever they says....parameters are all well knowing ...Erdoğan also pointed out (as u can see at above paragraphs) If there is no time frames CBBB ...this arguments will go forever.... it will be a good idea to pu fullstop and we can see what will be our future....Federal solution or partition....than both sides will consentrated for their own people needs ....not for the guns and annumations ...

[Nikitas]

Halil is pretending yet again that he does not understand the meaning of the Republic of Cyprus to Greek Cypriots.

It is their one and only means of survival. The TCs decided to abandon the RoC and tie their fates to Turkey. That is their problem. The idea of "two founding states" for the Federation is total nonsense. The implicit demand that the RoC should be erased and a new entity established is bullshit. In case Halil and Erdoghan do not realise it, it is the RoC which is a member state of the EU, not some phantom state that exists in their minds only.

The only reason to insist on a "new" entity is because Erdoghan and others like him are preparing the way for a future secession.

If Erdo thinks that erasing states is something to be taken lightly he can give the example by following Bir's predictions: abolish the Turkish Republic and declare a federation with a new Kurdish state. Till then he can buzz off.

RoC forever!

[Nikitas]

VP chimes in with his usual misinterpretations:

"Do you know how stupid you doom and gloom merchants sound"

The posts above contained quotations from TURKISH economist Serdar Pazi. Today the TURKISH minister of finance stated that the situation in Greece is affecting Turkey negatively.

If you think these guys are stupid go tell' em.

Can you point to a branch of engineering in Turkey which has produced a single innovative product? All the examples cited by enthusiastic neo Ottomans involve the local manufacture based on foreign patents, often stolen patents.

The boom in exports is driven by very generous export subsidies, which are not lawful in EU countries. Look up the web pages of any Turkish embassy to see the long list of incentives given to foreign firms and the tax breaks. All this is possible outside the EU, and will have to stop if Turkey ever joins. Which could be the reason for the recent polemic by Erdo towards Europe.

[Pyrpolizer]

Bir great to see you around please stay.

Where did Erdogan say two separate independent states? from what we heard and read he saying two states under a BBF. He saying you have until Jan/Feb of next you year to solve this thing otherwise you can all go to hell and we will find our own solution. We will freeze the EU if the GCs are heading it as we do not recognize them nor will we accept them as our point of contact for the EU.

Now i want to see what the GCs and EU will do they have the balls to do anything? or will they pressurize the GCs to finally agree a solution?

Poor GCs have no hope,VP..The Church and fascist fanatical nationalists are still very influential in the roc and will never allow the politicians to agree to anything..Turkey has what she wants (strong influence in Cyprus) and the EU has what she wants (Turkey out)...This is the end game...Finally Erdogan feels strong enough domestically to tell the EU to go to hell...What he wanted to say all along...
I will tell you what the future holds...Turkey will have a new political presidential federal system within the next 5 years...kktc will be one of the semi-autonomous states (along with Turkish Kurdistan) in this new federation...Erdogan will be the President for life,ruling an autocratic police state...Good night and good luck to you all...

Hello Bir, nice to have you back, it seems none of us old fools is able to stay away from here for ever....
My friend the church does not have the power you imagine, this is not the 50s. Moreover the clergy does not have a single voice. The bishop of Morfou for example is at the occupied every other day... True we have our fanatic nationalists too, but don't forget we elected a leftist president, which means the majority of us do want a solution.

On the contrary the Kibrislis unfortunately lost all power. It is not the majority of real Kibrislis who voted for Eroglu, it is the settlers as you know. From the very first day Eroglu stated publicly that the first subject he would discuss would be the property issue. When you go to negotiations my friend, you know very well what your co-negotiator wants. And you know very well how to bring those negotiations to an end if you want. And that's EXACTLY what Eroglu did. He terminated the negotiations a long time ago. The reason they were continued until today is because of the procedure of the UN implying that when there is deadlock on a subject we continue with other subjects. And in fact there was some progress on other subjects. Why? because they concerned the matter of Government in other words areas on which the Kypreos would have to GIVE, and the Kibrisli side to TAKE.

The latest statements by Erdogan just add to the hastiness of Etoglu to end the talks the soonest possible. As you know there is a new meeting scheduled with the UNSG in October. By that date Erdogan (and his local puppet) want to actually not give even the slightest chance or opportunity to Ban ki Moon to continue the process.




Have to go now, I will continue later...

[Pyrpolizer]

So the question is whether Erdogans statements aim

a)at terminating the negotiation process and their EU road as well or
b)at scaring the Kypreos

If "b" was the aim then he must be very stupid.The Kypreos are not lamp like the mainland Turks, not only they will never accept the Anan Plan or anything worse, they will not even accept anything near the Anan Plan. It is either a truly Democratic Federation or nothing for them.

If "a" was the aim then let him try. From there on he will only have 2 options. Either succeed or destroy and split Turkey in 5.

And since it seems you liked the movie here’s an extract:

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..have caused alarm and dismay
amongst our allies abroad..

..and given considerable comfort
to our enemies.

And whose fault is that?
Not really his.

He didn't create
this situation of fear,..

..he merely exploited it,
and rather successfully.

Cassius was right.

"The fault, dear Brutus, is not
in our stars, but in ourselves.

Good night and good luck!


[Viewpoint]

What everyone wants to know is what the GCs are going to do in the face of this statement? looks like absolutely nothing.

[CBBB]

Ignore it, who listens to anything a moron says?

[Viewpoint]

You people listen to Christofias.