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Re: Erdogan Effectively Ends Talks

Postby Kikapu » Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:06 am

Viewpoint wrote:3 years of negotiations lets see if the GCs will leave the table, Erdoğan has clearly stated the time has come to sort your act out and find a solution by year end and go to referendum by Jan/Feb or forget this union thing because we will go our own way.

Rise to the challenge or walk GCs.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Erdogan is not going anywhere, and neither is the "trnc". Turkey does not want a clean cut 2-state solution. Turkey wants a 2-state solution loosely connected together through a confederation. It is the ONLY way Turkey will ever have a chance to take control of the WHOLE of the island in due course. That's what the AP was all about and that's why Erdogan keeps bringing the AP up over and over again, just as all the NeoPartitionist do so often here on the CF. Had Turkey wanted a 2-state clean cut partition, she wouldn't have waited this long to threaten the RoC with it. She would have done it long before the RoC became an EU member. Erdogan is rolling his last hope dice, in the hopes that the RoC will panic and accept a AP type of a plan before next year when the RoC will take over the EU. Erdogan is on his very last hope, hence all the threats, for not returning any land back and that he will promote for recognition for the "trnc". The truth is, Erdogan does not want a recognition for the "trnc" because he doesn't want just the "trnc", but the rest of the 63% also.

Anyone who buys into Erdogan's idle threats will need their heads examined. Anyone who takes Erdogan seriously in believing that he can deliver what he says he can deliver, is deluded just as much as Erdogan already is. The talks will continue as long as Eroglu shows up to "shoot the shit" with Christofias (or his replacement) until when the RoC will take over the EU Presidency in which the RoC will have the full attention of the EU (and Turkey) for whole six months to discuss the Cyprus problem without any more negotiations taking place in that time period, unless of course, Turkey and the "trnc" are ready to discuss a BBF settlement based on Democracy, Human Rights, International Law and the EU Principles. If they are not, the RoC will continue doing what they have been doing for the last 37 years, while Turkey waiting at the EU door trying to get in by still throwing temper tantrums to be accepted into the EU club with his 16th century Ottoman mentality rather than reforming to western values in the 21st century. The "trnc" would remain the "corrupted society" that is today, thanks to the so called leaders for the TCs in the north, still unrecognised and still embargoed . The TCs can thank their "host", Mr. Erdogan, for they not having the life they deserve.
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Re: Erdogan Effectively Ends Talks

Postby Me Ed » Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:18 am

I can't understand the laborious replies.

Turkey couldn't solve its way out of a paper bag.
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Re: Erdogan Effectively Ends Talks

Postby Viewpoint » Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:59 am

As I have said many times Turkey is not and never will a be a EU nation, for starters shes not christian and will never enter the club, thats why shes been showing her middle finger for a long time not conforming to anything the EU demands. The latest middle finger is not just at the EU but also the GCs and their "EU presidency" which if everything is frozen by Turkey she will get very little opportunity to exploit and take advantage of anything, its called being one step ahead.

As for a BBF with political equality you have up until the end of this year otherwise you can kiss any compromise goodbye, Turkey will turn her back on the EU towards the east and press for the recognition of the TRNC.

There is a saying in Turkish the GCs can "avcunu yala" you had your chance and missed the boat forever.
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Re: Erdogan Effectively Ends Talks

Postby B25 » Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:10 am

Yawwwnnnnn! Bye Bye VP, when do you leave.

Seriously, by threatening us makes us even more stubborn. Don't you know thats the Cypriot way.

Roll on 2012 and viva the GC EU presidency. Can't wait.
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Re: Erdogan Effectively Ends Talks

Postby Hermes » Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:43 am

Kikapu wrote:
Anyone who buys into Erdogan's idle threats will need their heads examined. Anyone who takes Erdogan seriously in believing that he can deliver what he says he can deliver, is deluded just as much as Erdogan already is. The talks will continue as long as Eroglu shows up to "shoot the shit" with Christofias (or his replacement) until when the RoC will take over the EU Presidency...


Despite Erdogan's bluster, Turkey will gain nothing if the talks fail. The truth is Turkey has nowhere to go. If there is no solution by 2012 the RoC will still be in the EU and ready to assume its Presidency. Turkey's accession will be in the deep freeze for the foreseeable future. And the "TRNC" will still be up shit creek without a paddle.
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Re: Erdogan Effectively Ends Talks

Postby Hermes » Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:55 am

Viewpoint wrote:As I have said many times Turkey is not and never will a be a EU nation, for starters shes not christian and will never enter the club, thats why shes been showing her middle finger for a long time not conforming to anything the EU demands. The latest middle finger is not just at the EU but also the GCs and their "EU presidency" which if everything is frozen by Turkey she will get very little opportunity to exploit and take advantage of anything, its called being one step ahead.


Let me get this straight: by giving the EU the finger - and giving the G/Cs the finger - and putting itself into a coma for several months, Turkey is keeping "one step ahead". Brilliant! Who said the Turks don't have a "plan B"?
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Re: Erdogan Effectively Ends Talks

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:06 pm

Viewpoint wrote:As I have said many times Turkey is not and never will a be a EU nation, for starters shes not christian and will never enter the club, thats why shes been showing her middle finger for a long time not conforming to anything the EU demands. The latest middle finger is not just at the EU but also the GCs and their "EU presidency" which if everything is frozen by Turkey she will get very little opportunity to exploit and take advantage of anything, its called being one step ahead.

As for a BBF with political equality you have up until the end of this year otherwise you can kiss any compromise goodbye, Turkey will turn her back on the EU towards the east and press for the recognition of the TRNC.

There is a saying in Turkish the GCs can "avcunu yala" you had your chance and missed the boat forever.


You mean like an old whore who thinks she deserves the same price as the younger ones? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Erdogan Effectively Ends Talks

Postby BirKibrisli » Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:56 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Bir great to see you around please stay.

Where did Erdogan say two separate independent states? from what we heard and read he saying two states under a BBF. He saying you have until Jan/Feb of next you year to solve this thing otherwise you can all go to hell and we will find our own solution. We will freeze the EU if the GCs are heading it as we do not recognize them nor will we accept them as our point of contact for the EU.

Now i want to see what the GCs and EU will do they have the balls to do anything? or will they pressurize the GCs to finally agree a solution?

Poor GCs have no hope,VP..The Church and fascist fanatical nationalists are still very influential in the roc and will never allow the politicians to agree to anything..Turkey has what she wants (strong influence in Cyprus) and the EU has what she wants (Turkey out)...This is the end game...Finally Erdogan feels strong enough domestically to tell the EU to go to hell...What he wanted to say all along...
I will tell you what the future holds...Turkey will have a new political presidential federal system within the next 5 years...kktc will be one of the semi-autonomous states (along with Turkish Kurdistan) in this new federation...Erdogan will be the President for life,ruling an autocratic police state...Good night and good luck to you all...
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Re: Erdogan Effectively Ends Talks

Postby Kikapu » Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:59 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Bir great to see you around please stay.

Where did Erdogan say two separate independent states? from what we heard and read he saying two states under a BBF. He saying you have until Jan/Feb of next you year to solve this thing otherwise you can all go to hell and we will find our own solution. We will freeze the EU if the GCs are heading it as we do not recognize them nor will we accept them as our point of contact for the EU.

Now i want to see what the GCs and EU will do they have the balls to do anything? or will they pressurize the GCs to finally agree a solution?

Poor GCs have no hope,VP..The Church and fascist fanatical nationalists are still very influential in the roc and will never allow the politicians to agree to anything..Turkey has what she wants (strong influence in Cyprus) and the EU has what she wants (Turkey out)...This is the end game...Finally Erdogan feels strong enough domestically to tell the EU to go to hell...What he wanted to say all along...
I will tell you what the future holds...Turkey will have a new political presidential federal system within the next 5 years...kktc will be one of the semi-autonomous states (along with Turkish Kurdistan) in this new federation...Erdogan will be the President for life,ruling an autocratic police state...Good night and good luck to you all...


Hi Bir. Nice to have you back.

With your last 2 sentences above, don't you think they are good enough reason for the TCs in the north to embrace BBF for Cyprus with Democracy, Human Rights, International Law and the EU principles to ensure their future within the EU for a better life, or do you think they are masochist and would want to live in a police state, much like all those from the Arab states, where some who have now finally broken loose from years of oppression.? I know VP would welcome living in a police state controlled by Turkey rather than live in a Democracy with the GCs, but what about the rest of the TCs ? I also like to know why will it be the GCs fault if the TCs would choose to live in a police state under Turkey instead in a Democratic Cyprus, assuming of course, that Turkey will be able to grab the north, or even wants to from the EU in the first place, which I sincerely doubt on both accounts. Thanks.
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Re: Erdogan Effectively Ends Talks

Postby ZoC » Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:23 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Bir great to see you around please stay.

Where did Erdogan say two separate independent states? from what we heard and read he saying two states under a BBF. He saying you have until Jan/Feb of next you year to solve this thing otherwise you can all go to hell and we will find our own solution. We will freeze the EU if the GCs are heading it as we do not recognize them nor will we accept them as our point of contact for the EU.

Now i want to see what the GCs and EU will do they have the balls to do anything? or will they pressurize the GCs to finally agree a solution?

Poor GCs have no hope,VP..The Church and fascist fanatical nationalists are still very influential in the roc and will never allow the politicians to agree to anything..Turkey has what she wants (strong influence in Cyprus) and the EU has what she wants (Turkey out)...This is the end game...Finally Erdogan feels strong enough domestically to tell the EU to go to hell...What he wanted to say all along...
I will tell you what the future holds...Turkey will have a new political presidential federal system within the next 5 years...kktc will be one of the semi-autonomous states (along with Turkish Kurdistan) in this new federation...Erdogan will be the President for life,ruling an autocratic police state...Good night and good luck to you all...


it could be worse... u could be greek...
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