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[denizaksulu]

Just one more indication that the traitorous TC leaders in the north have sold-out the TCs to the Illegal Alien settlers and Turkey for their own personal gratifications.

Özgürgün also mentioned Prime Minister Erdoğan’s visit, said that “Prime Minister Erdoğan is not a guest in TRNC, he is considered a host.”

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/mob_nx ... 2011-07-18

You wouldnt know as you are not a TC, this is a polite way of saying my house is your house feel at home...this shows how little you know about our customs and ways.

Özgürgün didn't say "Mi Casa, Su Casa". He basically said to Erdogan that, "you are the Master in the "trnc" and us the little people TCs are your servants".

There is a huge difference when you allow your guest to feel at home than turning over the keys to the house for them to run the place as they wish. But then again, you are one of those who would sell-out the TCs to the Illegal Alien settlers and Turkey for your own personal gratifications.

Erdogan has yet again shown his middle finger not only to the GCs but also the EU.

Yeah, stupid is, stupid does!

Never mind the middle finger Turkey is showing the the EU, because the EU will be showing this for Turkey to sit on pretty soon.

Welcome to the KKFC/Northern Cyprus Fascist Republic Kikapu. Thats what the wish, and it is becoming true.

[Kikapu]

This is to force the GC and EU to clarify exactly their position, the EU is in turmoil due to the collapsing economies of member states and the GCs want to keep the talk going on forever as they have nothing to lose. This bold step by Turkey forces their hand lets see how the EU will react, we know what the GCs will do the will start their usual its the other side that does not want a solution. But when you listen Erdogan is saying solve this by July 2012 or we will take an alternative root and that will be a gradual recognition process over many years.

What Erdogan wants and what the north wants and what Turkey wanted since before the 1960 agreements is not what's on the table with the BBF based on the relevant UN resolutions supported by the UN, EU, USA Britain, Greece and the RoC. What Erdogan and the north want is a 2 separate states, like Israel and Palestine, much much worse than that, because not only Erdogan wants a 2 separate states in Cyprus, but he also wants to be a guarantor for all of Cyprus and have direct involvement in Cypriot affairs. He basically wants the AP back, because the AP would have gave him everything in 2004 he is now stating. Now do you see what the AP was all about.? The bad news for Erdogan and good news for Cypriots is, the RoC is already in the EU and that there is nothing he can do to bring about his deluded dreams. He has a better chance of him becoming a Christian and to prey for the second return of Christ that getting the AP back.

[Viewpoint]

This is to force the GC and EU to clarify exactly their position, the EU is in turmoil due to the collapsing economies of member states and the GCs want to keep the talk going on forever as they have nothing to lose. This bold step by Turkey forces their hand lets see how the EU will react, we know what the GCs will do the will start their usual its the other side that does not want a solution. But when you listen Erdogan is saying solve this by July 2012 or we will take an alternative root and that will be a gradual recognition process over many years.

What Erdogan wants and what the north wants and what Turkey wanted since before the 1960 agreements is not what's on the table with the BBF based on the relevant UN resolutions supported by the UN, EU, USA Britain, Greece and the RoC. What Erdogan and the north want is a 2 separate states, like Israel and Palestine, much much worse than that, because not only Erdogan wants a 2 separate states in Cyprus, but he also wants to be a guarantor for all of Cyprus and have direct involvement in Cypriot affairs. He basically wants the AP back, because the AP would have gave him everything in 2004 he is now stating. Now do you see what the AP was all about.? The bad news for Erdogan and good news for Cypriots is, the RoC is already in the EU and that there is nothing he can do to bring about his deluded dreams. He has a better chance of him becoming a Christian and to prey for the second return of Christ that getting the AP back.

You have a lot to learn keep watching how things unfold running up to Jan/Feb 2012, which side will be pressurized to find a solution, who will accept a referee and an international meeting to iron out the last issues.....watch and learn.

Plus you are contradicting yourself you claim Turkey wants a 2 state solution where it can guarantee the GC state as well as the TC state, how is that possible of there are 2 totally independent states?.

[Kikapu]

Just one more indication that the traitorous TC leaders in the north have sold-out the TCs to the Illegal Alien settlers and Turkey for their own personal gratifications.

Özgürgün also mentioned Prime Minister Erdoğan’s visit, said that “Prime Minister Erdoğan is not a guest in TRNC, he is considered a host.”

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/mob_nx ... 2011-07-18

You wouldnt know as you are not a TC, this is a polite way of saying my house is your house feel at home...this shows how little you know about our customs and ways.

Özgürgün didn't say "Mi Casa, Su Casa". He basically said to Erdogan that, "you are the Master in the "trnc" and us the little people TCs are your servants".

There is a huge difference when you allow your guest to feel at home than turning over the keys to the house for them to run the place as they wish. But then again, you are one of those who would sell-out the TCs to the Illegal Alien settlers and Turkey for your own personal gratifications.

Erdogan has yet again shown his middle finger not only to the GCs but also the EU.

Yeah, stupid is, stupid does!

Never mind the middle finger Turkey is showing the the EU, because the EU will be showing this for Turkey to sit on pretty soon.

Welcome to the KKFC/Northern Cyprus Fascist Republic Kikapu. Thats what the wish, and it is becoming true.

Don't despair my friend. The TC leadership traitors to their own TC community in the north will not succeed. They can only do so if the RoC gives in to them and hands over the north and I do not believe they will ever do that, and without the RoC giving in, I cannot see how the traitors can give the north to Turkey which is part of the EU. Turkey is good at making idle threats, but cannot carry them out, specially against the EU.

[Kikapu]

This is to force the GC and EU to clarify exactly their position, the EU is in turmoil due to the collapsing economies of member states and the GCs want to keep the talk going on forever as they have nothing to lose. This bold step by Turkey forces their hand lets see how the EU will react, we know what the GCs will do the will start their usual its the other side that does not want a solution. But when you listen Erdogan is saying solve this by July 2012 or we will take an alternative root and that will be a gradual recognition process over many years.

What Erdogan wants and what the north wants and what Turkey wanted since before the 1960 agreements is not what's on the table with the BBF based on the relevant UN resolutions supported by the UN, EU, USA Britain, Greece and the RoC. What Erdogan and the north want is a 2 separate states, like Israel and Palestine, much much worse than that, because not only Erdogan wants a 2 separate states in Cyprus, but he also wants to be a guarantor for all of Cyprus and have direct involvement in Cypriot affairs. He basically wants the AP back, because the AP would have gave him everything in 2004 he is now stating. Now do you see what the AP was all about.? The bad news for Erdogan and good news for Cypriots is, the RoC is already in the EU and that there is nothing he can do to bring about his deluded dreams. He has a better chance of him becoming a Christian and to prey for the second return of Christ that getting the AP back.

You have a lot to learn keep watching how things unfold running up to Jan/Feb 2012, which side will be pressurized to find a solution, who will accept a referee and an international meeting to iron out the last issues.....watch and learn.

The talks are over, thanks to Erdogan's statements yesterday. He does not agree to the BBF that has been negotiated, so there won't be any more negotiations that will be happening if it's outside the UN resolutions, so Turkey will get the blame for the negotiations braking down. The RoC will take the EU Presidency as planned and they may push for the cancellation of Turkey's EU membership applicaton at that time unless Turkey was willing to settle for a BBF as per UN resolutions and not what she wants.

Plus you are contradicting yourself you claim Turkey wants a 2 state solution where it can guarantee the GC state as well as the TC state, how is that possible of there are 2 totally independent states?.

They want what's in the AP, which was two separate states under loose confederation without any hierarchy to the Federal government, which as I said, that it would be much worse than Israel/Palestine deal, because Turkey also wants to control ALL of Cyprus as a guarantor. Did the north state that they want the north state to have the right to make treaties with foreign countries. What do you think that's all about.? It is exactly how Nikitas would put it, that the north wants to be Masters in the north and Partners in the South. Let me know when you get such a deal like that, because the Israelis would like to apply the same to the Palestinians and the Kurds on Turkey.

[Pyrpolizer]

This is to force the GC and EU to clarify exactly their position, the EU is in turmoil due to the collapsing economies of member states and the GCs want to keep the talk going on forever as they have nothing to lose. This bold step by Turkey forces their hand lets see how the EU will react, we know what the GCs will do the will start their usual its the other side that does not want a solution. But when you listen Erdogan is saying solve this by July 2012 or we will take an alternative route and that will be a gradual recognition process over many years.

Has it ever passed through your mind that your leaders are lying to you and you beleive them?

Ever since Eroglu got in there has been absolutely no progress on any of the important issues
a)Properties:He insists the current illegal user has the first say.The matter just stuck there.
b)settlers:he does not even want to discuss the issue
c)territory:He does not want to link it to the property issue at a time that even the UN accepted the 2 issues are dependent.
as for the governing system even Downer told him all his proposals go for confederation not federation.


In other words the old Denktash doctrine that "we have nothing to discuss" just changed to "let's discuss to prove you that there is nothing we will agree with you".

[BirKibrisli]

I feel sorry for Bananiot...he has been proven right time and time again,but certain fools here are still after his blood...

Now perhaps you will start to see what Erdogan has been upto all along...He has no wish to join the EU,and the USA has other plans for Turkey in the region...Time you all woke up...As Bananiot keeps telling you Cyprus had her best chance for reunification under the AP,and you stupidly kicked the gift horse in the mouth...You've made your beds,now you will lie in them...No Morphou,No Varosha,No Karpasia,and no reduction in the TA...Hope you are all happy with yourselves...Back to mourning the end of my reunification dream...

[boulio]

I think that they are heading for a agreed partition,they will sit down after this all blows over(un talks,accident at zigi)and negotiate a partition into two sepeate entities.

[B25]

Hello Birk Turk, welcome back, we missed you

I think you are hold the wrong end of the stick, namely the shitty end. It is Turkey that will be in trouble, wait and see.

Bananiotoglu can go live in turkey if he loves them so much, he does not need to bring them here. With the acceptance of the Ankara Plan, that is EXACTLY what would have happend. he is so gullible, just look at what Turkey is saying now, and you trust her to have kept to the Ankara Plan agreements, my arse she would.

Anyway, good you see you are still alive and kicking. perhaps you may wish to visit a FREE cyprus and not a dictatorship occupied area on your next visit, see you then.
Ciao.

[Viewpoint]

Bir great to see you around please stay.

Where did Erdogan say two separate independent states? from what we heard and read he saying two states under a BBF. He saying you have until Jan/Feb of next you year to solve this thing otherwise you can all go to hell and we will find our own solution. We will freeze the EU if the GCs are heading it as we do not recognize them nor will we accept them as our point of contact for the EU.

Now i want to see what the GCs and EU will do they have the balls to do anything? or will they pressurize the GCs to finally agree a solution?