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[Pyrpolizer]

Why do you want to impose your rights on people who are content with the devil they know, if they wanted they could move south tomorrow but no one wants to be a minority among GCs and accept what you peddle as they know what the consequences will be, they might as well go live in France or the UK at least on those countries they will have a better chance of living a normal life.

When you first mentioned this argument it was supposed to be your personal preference. Now seeing that the kibrislis haven't returned en masse -which is actually a fact- you jump into conclusions that they do so because the are afraid of the Kypreos or the think they are an unpreferred "devil" com;pared with the mainland Turks.

This is total nonsense.May I remind you of the thousands who cross everyday to work.Others for business and others to travel around.You are forgetting the human nature that people don't like moving and living permanently to other places.The same thing will happen to the Kypreos refugees in case of a solution.Its very unlikely that they will return. This does not mean anything other than their preference to live and stay where they are.They get used to an environment even if they are total strangers or foreigners there they are very reluctant to change. This applies even to expatriated Cypriots, do you think there is any chance for the so many expats in this forum to ever return?

People however do move when there are motives. I could bet the majority of Kibrislis who had substantial immovable property in the free areas would move if the RoC would give them their properties back immediately and offered free schooling nearby for their children. The RoC however doesn't want them to move for 2 reasons:To guard the Kypreos properties they now hold, and b)to avert their replacing by settlers.

So nothing to do with the "Devil" image you try to paint. Also nothing to do with loving the Turks so much that they want to live-and become a minority among the trashy settlers.They don't like it but they got used to it.

[Pyrpolizer]

Why do you want to impose your rights on people who are content with the devil they know, if they wanted they could move south tomorrow but no one wants to be a minority among GCs and accept what you peddle as they know what the consequences will be, they might as well go live in France or the UK at least on those countries they will have a better chance of living a normal life.

When you first mentioned this argument it was supposed to be your personal preference. Now seeing that the kibrislis haven't returned en masse -which is actually a fact- you jump into conclusions that they do so because the are afraid of the Kypreos or the think they are an unpreferred "devil" com;pared with the mainland Turks or they don't like to be minority.

This is total nonsense.May I remind you of the thousands who cross everyday to work.Others for business and others to travel around.You are forgetting the human nature that people don't like moving and living permanently to other places.The same thing will happen to the Kypreos refugees in case of a solution.Its very unlikely that they will return. This does not mean anything other than their preference to live and stay where they are.They get used to an environment even if they are total strangers or foreigners there they are very reluctant to change. This applies even to expatriated Cypriots, do you think there is any chance for the so many expats in this forum to ever return?

People however do move when there are motives. I could bet the majority of Kibrislis who had substantial immovable property in the free areas would move if the RoC would give them their properties back immediately and offered free schooling nearby for their children. The RoC however doesn't want them to move for 2 reasons:To guard the Kypreos properties they now hold, and b)to avert their replacing by settlers.

So nothing to do with the "Devil" image you try to paint. Also nothing to do with loving the Turks so much that they want to live-and become a minority among the trashy settlers.They don't like it but they got used to it.

[DTA]

Why do you want to impose your rights on people who are content with the devil they know, if they wanted they could move south tomorrow but no one wants to be a minority among GCs and accept what you peddle as they know what the consequences will be, they might as well go live in France or the UK at least on those countries they will have a better chance of living a normal life.

When you first mentioned this argument it was supposed to be your personal preference. Now seeing that the kibrislis haven't returned en masse -which is actually a fact- you jump into conclusions that they do so because the are afraid of the Kypreos or the think they are an unpreferred "devil" com;pared with the mainland Turks.

This is total nonsense.May I remind you of the thousands who cross everyday to work.Others for business and others to travel around.You are forgetting the human nature that people don't like moving and living permanently to other places.The same thing will happen to the Kypreos refugees in case of a solution.Its very unlikely that they will return. This does not mean anything other than their preference to live and stay where they are.They get used to an environment even if they are total strangers or foreigners there they are very reluctant to change. This applies even to expatriated Cypriots, do you think there is any chance for the so many expats in this forum to ever return?

People however do move when there are motives. I could bet the majority of Kibrislis who had substantial immovable property in the free areas would move if the RoC would give them their properties back immediately and offered free schooling nearby for their children. The RoC however doesn't want them to move for 2 reasons:To guard the Kypreos properties they now hold, and b)to avert their replacing by settlers.

So nothing to do with the "Devil" image you try to paint. Also nothing to do with loving the Turks so much that they want to live-and become a minority among the trashy settlers.They don't like it but they got used to it.

Except that the Roc also holds the properties and the rent due on the said properties of the TCs that moved overseas prior to 74 have not exchanged property and have never lived in the trnc.

[bill cobbett]

Following a meeting with French President Sarkozy in Paris yesterday, Pres X reported that Sarkozy had condemned the outbursts by Erdogun last week...

..."PARIS - President Demetris Christofias said that French President Nicolas Sarkozy has condemned Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's statements and stance during his recent illegal visit to Cyprus' Turkish occupied areas. ''We both believe that Turkey's and Erdogan's behaviour is unacceptable, provocative and insulting towards the EU and cannot be tolerated,'' Christofias said..."

More at ... http://www.cyprusweekly.com.cy/main/92, ... YPRUS.aspx

[Nikitas]

One serious motivation, and also a meaningful empowerment of the TCs against Turkey, would be to give, free of charge, an official share certificate in any oil finds to every TC family who can prove their Cypriot origins, regadless of place of current residence. These certificates to be non negotiable and valid only as long as they are held by the original grantee.

The move would underline to the TCs, the Turks, and everyone else, that TCs are regarded as serious stake holders in Cypriot wealth by the RoC, they would be given a serious motive to maintain their national identity, and eventually (if the talk of oil etc is true) a serious dividend at the level that counts most, the personal one. It would also knock the wind out of Erdo's sails about all undersea wealth belonging to the two communities and all such bullshit. National wealth belongs to all CITIZENS.

Such radical ideas are unfortunately not for the stolid conservative Cypriot way of thinking.

[repulsewarrior]

Pyrpolizer, vp knows this, that is how he hopes the 'fait accompli' will be realised; longer time, less people willing to return.

...what i find curious is vp's connection to the upper class, why does he support "Turks" against Turks, since this is where the battle is being fought, over the north's economy. quite simply, not a single "Greek" in his neighbourhood means that "he" is resisting any change that might make for anything "less" "Turkish". "Greeks" being a natural Majority, on the island, he sees that their upper class would want it all, not just their "Greek" share; why is he against Greeks, and Turks? what worth is there to this plutocracy centered on hate which he defends?

Justice is that for some from '63 and '74 that they return as they left, as communities. This is the Justice seen on which Cypriots can respect each other.

National Assemblies representing citizens by where they live can serve their distinct electorship with the services they enjoy in their daily lives; taxpayers closer to their dollars, so to speak. And as a State, citizens of a country founded on Universal Principals, where they can stand united in their defence.

Bicommunal doe not mean "two" governments, like Bizonal it does not mean the "Green Line" which tears the island in two. As Individuals we are Sovereign within our State; one island, one Cyprus. As Persons, we will sustain these identities too. Thus since one Government is to be rejected, two is not within the bounds of definition, three or more hold a valuable alternative to this impasse; please read my manifesto.

[Viewpoint]

Why do you want to impose your rights on people who are content with the devil they know, if they wanted they could move south tomorrow but no one wants to be a minority among GCs and accept what you peddle as they know what the consequences will be, they might as well go live in France or the UK at least on those countries they will have a better chance of living a normal life.

When you first mentioned this argument it was supposed to be your personal preference. Now seeing that the kibrislis haven't returned en masse -which is actually a fact- you jump into conclusions that they do so because the are afraid of the Kypreos or the think they are an unpreferred "devil" com;pared with the mainland Turks.

Exactly, not afraid but untrusting and reluctant to live somewhere that is foreign to them.


This is total nonsense.May I remind you of the thousands who cross everyday to work.Others for business and others to travel around.You are forgetting the human nature that people don't like moving and living permanently to other places.The same thing will happen to the Kypreos refugees in case of a solution.Its very unlikely that they will return. This does not mean anything other than their preference to live and stay where they are.They get used to an environment even if they are total strangers or foreigners there they are very reluctant to change. This applies even to expatriated Cypriots, do you think there is any chance for the so many expats in this forum to ever return?

They cross exactly for work but not to reside as the south is very foreign to them so they always come back and if asked the majority would respond they prefer the north among their own people, language and security.

Do you really believe that if those that cross thought they could have a far better life in the south they would remain in the north not making any attempt to locate their and bring up their children in this "promised land" you go on about, I have traveled south many times believe me its not all that, peace tranquility and a feeling of belonging far outweighs what the south has to offer.

People however do move when there are motives. I could bet the majority of Kibrislis who had substantial immovable property in the free areas would move if the RoC would give them their properties back immediately and offered free schooling nearby for their children. The RoC however doesn't want them to move for 2 reasons:To guard the Kypreos properties they now hold, and b)to avert their replacing by settlers.

You say that TCs can get their property back no problem arent you contradicting yourself? the majority would not move back but would sell up at the first opportunity, I know my family would, we have no intentions of going back.

So nothing to do with the "Devil" image you try to paint. Also nothing to do with loving the Turks so much that they want to live-and become a minority among the trashy settlers.They don't like it but they got used to it.

You have to realize that we would only ever unite with GCs if there was a very tight agreement to guarantee our rights and security but we are Turkish in origin so assimilating with Turks is far easier and natural its happening as we speak...ask any TCs would they rather their children marry a Turk or a GC? Do you know what 90% will say???

[supporttheunderdog]

Your rights are guaranteed by the EU, or do you not trust the either.

[bigOz]

Your rights are guaranteed by the EU, or do you not trust the either.

I certainly don't and I do not think many TCs or mainland Turks do either!

[Viewpoint]

Your rights are guaranteed by the EU, or do you not trust the either.

Noway, look how they have treated you and not kept their promises to us.