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[antifon]

Orhan L. , 15 July 2011 , 12:57
@cenk. Do you know why Turkish Cypriots have sanctions? Because the UN states that Turkish troops in Cyprus are illegal and the KKTC is not recognised anywhere in the world! And yes, Turkey spends millions in Cyprus but the Turkish Cypriots now want the Turks to leave! They don't want our settlers or our money. The Turkish Cypriots have all emigrated because Turkey has destroyed the economy and left them with no future. The KKTC is a military camp and its economy is casinos and brothels! People need to open their own eyes and see the truth. If we say that Turkish Cypriots must have a state in Cyprus then why can't Kurds have their own state as well? What is the difference?

[halil]

as a TC myself if Kurds are using their selfdetermination rights..... I have no complain....they have rights to ask for it...as a TC i must use my selfdetermination rights in Cyprus too....have a look to Sudan today ....North and South Sudan and UN receongnised them .....let the peoples to decide their own future....with their own desicions we will established the peace in the world....

[antifon]

That is an honest position Halil.

Your problem is two-fold:
[a] the land on which you wish to create a state does NOT belong to you & never did
[b] the guarantor of "your" land would be really pi..ed off if your position became the tCypriot official position

[Hermes]

as a TC myself if Kurds are using their selfdetermination rights.....as a TC i must use my seldetermination rights in Cyprus too....have a look Sudan today ....North and South Sudan and UN receongnised them .....let the peoples to decide their own future....with their own desicions we will established the peace in the world....

But the UN does not recognise the occupied areas of Cyprus because it regards the "TRNC" as an illegal state set up by a foreign power in violation of the sovereignty of the Cyprus Republic. And in blatant violation of the human rights of the Greek Cypriots who were ethnically cleansed from their homes. Do you not know about the existing UN resolutions on Cyprus?

[bill cobbett]

as a TC myself if Kurds are using their selfdetermination rights.....as a TC i must use my seldetermination rights in Cyprus too....have a look Sudan today ....North and South Sudan and UN receongnised them .....let the peoples to decide their own future....with their own desicions we will established the peace in the world....

But the UN does not recognise the occupied areas of Cyprus because it regards the "TRNC" as an illegal state set up by a foreign power in violation of the sovereignty of the Cyprus Republic. And in blatant violation of the human rights of the Greek Cypriots who were ethnically cleansed from their homes. Do you not know about the existing UN resolutions on Cyprus?

Wouldn't worry about Halil and his alleged rights to self-determination.

People so often pick up on words and phrases related to rights and wrongly claiming rights to self-determination is a common mistake. They don't research them, don't look in to them to see if they apply, and start claiming them... and there's a good element of being led up yet another garden path on this one.

If people like Halil took the trouble to read up about them they'll discover that rights to self-determination apply at the Level of Nations cos it would be a funny old world if they applied at the levels of "community" (as halil and others would like) cos every small community in every nation on earth would be claiming them, leading to every nation being split in to dozens of little zones.

What Halil and others are rightly entitled to is not a right to self-determination (other than for the whole nation of CY) but such things as Right to an Effective Say in Government and there's a world of diff between that and Rights to Self-Determination of Nations.

[B25]

Halil, also forgets, conveniently, that the Kurds didn't invade and occupy Kurdistan, they were there before the turks ever were.

Massive difference, self determination may come about when you actually 'own' the country you wish to seperate, NOT

[B25]

Halil, also forgets, conveniently, that the Kurds didn't invade and occupy Kurdistan, they were there before the turks ever were.

Massive difference, self determination may come about when you actually 'own' the country you wish to seperate, NOT WHEN YOU STEAL IT! Like you have done. Thanks now piss off.

[Hermes]

Erdogan demands a one-state solution...

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan lashed out at Democratic Society Congress (DTK) that announced democratic autonomy in country's southeast, saying all Turkish citizens already had democratic autonomy.

"Our citizens of Kurdish origin are not minorities in this country," Erdogan told reporters on Friday. Earlier in the day, Turkish prosecutors launched investigation into declaration of democratic autonomy made Thursday by Democratic Society Congress, an umbrella group of non-governmental organizations in southeastern Turkey, including Peace & Democracy Party (BDP).

"We will never negotiate such an insincere proposal," Erdogan said. "If they demand peace, there is only one thing they have to do first: the terrorist organization must lay down arms. Operations will continue as long as they do not lay down arms."

DTK's proclamation of democratic autonomy came shortly after a clash in southeastern province Diyarbakir that killed 13 Turkish soldiers and wounded 7 others on Thursday. PM Erdogan said evil-minded acts would never get a good response from Turkey.

"I am very clear on this. They should not expect good will from us. Neither them (the terrorist organization) nor their political extensions."
Erdogan said Turkey's policy of "single nation" would continue. He said: "These four fundamental principles will never change: one nation, one flag, one country and one state. We will keep going on our way with these principles. Nobody should expect us to take a step back."
Erdogan recalled his remarks he made during an election campaign before June 12 elections, saying: "There is no Kurdish problem in this country. There is PKK problem. There are problems of our citizens of Kurdish origin."

http://www.worldbulletin.net/?aType=hab ... leID=76325

[Nikitas]

Do the Kurds count as neighbors with whom Turkey has a policy of zero problems, the renowned Davut doctrine?

[Nikitas]

"let the peoples to decide their own future...."

And where does it say "let them steal other peoples' land, destroy their patrimony, exclude them from their country?"

Or is this self determination ala tourka and applies only to the superior race of Turks?