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Re: Turkey Threatens to Freeze EU Ties Over Cyprus

Postby Kikapu » Sun Jul 17, 2011 12:31 pm

Viewpoint wrote:I disagree with your imaginary scenarios of doom and gloom as you are a person who hates Turkey to core and will always be anti anything they do, can you quote the economic growth rate of Turkey for the first 3 months of this year in comparison to the rest of the world?


First of all, I'm in favour of Turkey becoming a EU member, so that blows your my so called "hate Turkey" claim. I have probably been to Turkey more times than you have, as well as having lived there for two years as a child. Obviously, Turkey can ONLY become a EU member once Turkey is willing to accept European (western) values and not the values of the 16th century Ottomans.

All third world countries have a large "growth rate", but those countries still remains poor, so don't mix growth rates of 3rd world and developing world's economies with economic growth with developed countries. You are mixing oranges and lemons. There are many large foreign companies which operate in Turkey, such as in the automobile sector, using the Turkish cheap labour to build them, then send these expensive cars out of Turkey to be sold in Europe or other parts of the developed world for a large profit. Sure the growth is seen to be in Turkey, but the large profits get sent out of the country, leaving the average Turks struggling to make a living, which the majority cannot even afford to buy meat at 35-45 Turkish Liras per Kilo, not suprising when your average Turk barely makes more than that amount in a good days work. Petrol is the most expensive anywhere I know at close to 4.5 TL per liter, far more than what it is here in Switzerland (3.5 TL per litre equivalent), where your average Swiss workers earn 5-10 times more than your average Turk.

Viewpoint wrote:You have to face reality the EU have done nothing with regards to Turkeys reluctance to implement the Ankara Protocol because they find truth in what Turkey is claiming that the EU not only let the TCs down for their YES vote but also did not keep the promises given to Turkey behind the scenes prior to the GC entry into the EU. You can make up doom and gloom stories all you want as we all know this is your illness but to date nothing you have claimed has actually panned out, Turkeys economy grows stronger she is a regional power and looked upto democracy in the Muslim world.


First of all, even if the EU promised the TCs the world for them to vote a "YES" on the AP, this has absolutely nothing to do with Turkey's agreement with the "Ankara Agreements" for her EU membership obligations, so stop making the same tired excuses as Turkey makes. Just what were these so called "behind the scenes" agreements the EU made to Turkey prior to the RoC becoming a EU member in 2004 ? Turkey's desperation are beginning to surface as she is forced to paint herself into a corner at one stroke at a time. She will eventually run out of space and become cornered with no way out that give in. It is only matter of time. As for Turkey being a regional power, it's also a joke. Such power would not be requesting an apology from Israel for the deaths of her citizens on the high seas. She would instead make the3m pay for it. RoC now holds more regional political power than Turkey does as a EU member state. That must piss Turkey off big time to kingdom come. As for the rest of the corrupted Arab nations looking up to Turkey's so called Democracy as a form of admiration is hardly an endorsement of Turkey's so called Democracy. It is a kind of an insult really more than anything else.


Viewpoint wrote:Never under estimate Turkey as you did in 1974 she is always much better when under pressure and will pull the cat of the bag once again to squeeze the GCs into a corner which she is doing right now, all she has to do now is announce the gradual opening of Maras and then you will see the GCs running for cover.


No one said Turkey is not her worse enemy when it comes to International diplomacy screw-ups. She can most definitely make things worse for herself by meddling with Verosha. She thinks that is a sign of strength, but in reality, is a sign of self destruction. Let her do her worse, because it will only end up hurting her, the Turkish people, and the TCs.

The official Turkish humor machine

How soon honorable ministers, did you say would Turkey become a full member? Oh, did you, by the way, say that the European Union blocked our well-deserved membership because of Cyprus? Ah, the official humor machine again!

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php? ... 2011-07-14
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Re: Turkey Threatens to Freeze EU Ties Over Cyprus

Postby Viewpoint » Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:15 pm

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First of all, I'm in favour of Turkey becoming a EU member, so that blows your my so called "hate Turkey" claim. I have probably been to Turkey more times than you have, as well as having lived there for two years as a child. Obviously, Turkey can ONLY become a EU member once Turkey is willing to accept European (western) values and not the values of the 16th century Ottomans.


You are not doing them any favours so it only confirms your hate for Turkey and you real goal being leverage for GCs, round hole square peg wont go in.

All third world countries have a large "growth rate", but those countries still remains poor, so don't mix growth rates of 3rd world and developing world's economies with economic growth with developed countries. You are mixing oranges and lemons. There are many large foreign companies which operate in Turkey, such as in the automobile sector, using the Turkish cheap labour to build them, then send these expensive cars out of Turkey to be sold in Europe or other parts of the developed world for a large profit. Sure the growth is seen to be in Turkey, but the large profits get sent out of the country, leaving the average Turks struggling to make a living, which the majority cannot even afford to buy meat at 35-45 Turkish Liras per Kilo, not suprising when your average Turk barely makes more than that amount in a good days work. Petrol is the most expensive anywhere I know at close to 4.5 TL per liter, far more than what it is here in Switzerland (3.5 TL per litre equivalent), where your average Swiss workers earn 5-10 times more than your average Turk.


Could you just answer the question, what percentage did Turkey economy grow in the first quarter of this year and how does it compare to more developed countries? you can even compare with the likes of Romania Bulgaria Estonia or even Greece. What is the size of Turkish economy in the world rankings? What is the average income in Turkey right now? Turkey is no Switzerland but its also no Greece and EU member.

First of all, even if the EU promised the TCs the world for them to vote a "YES" on the AP, this has absolutely nothing to do with Turkey's agreement with the "Ankara Agreements" for her EU membership obligations, so stop making the same tired excuses as Turkey makes. Just what were these so called "behind the scenes" agreements the EU made to Turkey prior to the RoC becoming a EU member in 2004 ? Turkey's desperation are beginning to surface as she is forced to paint herself into a corner at one stroke at a time. She will eventually run out of space and become cornered with no way out that give in. It is only matter of time.


The fact that the GCs got nothing from the EU regarding a solution only shows that the EU does not back them 100% and has doubts about its insincerity, which other nation has been tolerated to the degree of Turkey not implementing agreements? only proves the EU is impartial otherwise it would have taken very harsh measures to squeeze Turkey into a corner obviously this is not the case and the GCs are now under pressure forced into a corner with time frames, referees and an international conference all the things they hated and rejected from the outset.

As for Turkey being a regional power, it's also a joke. Such power would not be requesting an apology from Israel for the deaths of her citizens on the high seas. She would instead make the3m pay for it. RoC now holds more regional political power than Turkey does as a EU member state. That must piss Turkey off big time to kingdom come. As for the rest of the corrupted Arab nations looking up to Turkey's so called Democracy as a form of admiration is hardly an endorsement of Turkey's so called Democracy. It is a kind of an insult really more than anything else.


:lol:

No one said Turkey is not her worse enemy when it comes to International diplomacy screw-ups. She can most definitely make things worse for herself by meddling with Verosha. She thinks that is a sign of strength, but in reality, is a sign of self destruction. Let her do her worse, because it will only end up hurting her, the Turkish people, and the TCs.


Listen to the speaches on the 20th of July it could go either way, Prime Minister Erdoğan may or not play the Maraş card.
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Re: Turkey Threatens to Freeze EU Ties Over Cyprus

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:43 am

...basically Turkey fears a Cypriot Presidency of the EU because she will have to recognise that the Republic exists, even if it means ignoring the Union for six months.

...more importantly, this is an advancement of Cyprus as a country in which Turkey has had no say.
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Re: Turkey Threatens to Freeze EU Ties Over Cyprus

Postby zan » Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:56 am

repulsewarrior wrote:...basically Turkey fears a Cypriot Presidency of the EU because she will have to recognise that the Republic exists, even if it means ignoring the Union for six months.

...more importantly, this is an advancement of Cyprus as a country in which Turkey has had no say.



Think of it more as the ace up the sleeve....A country under conflict was allowed to enter the EU against their own rules and now the further embarrassment of said country taking EU presidency. I say embarrassment but I mean a massive problem that most EU countries should not have to deal with and do not want to!!


A master stoke by Turkey!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Turkey Threatens to Freeze EU Ties Over Cyprus

Postby EPSILON » Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:10 pm

B25 wrote:Just where do you people find all these jokes for gods sake?

I am having a good laugh at this, are these people for real. They are the illegal occupiers, UN resolution violators, hold the key to any settlement and they now have grown balls to threaten the EU.

Well, boys and girls, this has to be the joke of the centuary, what would be funnier, not, is if our current, for the moment anyway, spineless president actually accepted much less just to satisfy this threat.

Given a threat ike this, I would be calling their bluff. For as long as there are:

1. Turkish troops station here
2. Illegal settler gypsies here
3. And non return of refugee properties, both ways.

Then the turks can go whistle and we will hold out for those demands.

I think its a case of check and mate!


You are absolutely right but unfo they can do it!!!! The most of ,present, West countries leadership consider that G/cs are not the victims of CB but the problem itself!!!! There is a reason for this situation and the reason is simple. During the last 37 years G/cs are electing the wrong leadership. As they used to do before 1974.!!!
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Re: Turkey Threatens to Freeze EU Ties Over Cyprus

Postby EPSILON » Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:13 pm

zan wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:...basically Turkey fears a Cypriot Presidency of the EU because she will have to recognise that the Republic exists, even if it means ignoring the Union for six months.

...more importantly, this is an advancement of Cyprus as a country in which Turkey has had no say.



Think of it more as the ace up the sleeve....A country under conflict was allowed to enter the EU against their own rules and now the further embarrassment of said country taking EU presidency. I say embarrassment but I mean a massive problem that most EU countries should not have to deal with and do not want to!!


A master stoke by Turkey!!!!!!!!!!!


Zan..a clarification. The certain country is not in a conflict. Is just under occupation. Occupators should not have the right even to speak.But certain occupators are lucky. They are dealing with dols !!!(leadership of G/cs ).
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Re: Turkey Threatens to Freeze EU Ties Over Cyprus

Postby zan » Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:17 pm

EPSILON wrote:
zan wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:...basically Turkey fears a Cypriot Presidency of the EU because she will have to recognise that the Republic exists, even if it means ignoring the Union for six months.

...more importantly, this is an advancement of Cyprus as a country in which Turkey has had no say.



Think of it more as the ace up the sleeve....A country under conflict was allowed to enter the EU against their own rules and now the further embarrassment of said country taking EU presidency. I say embarrassment but I mean a massive problem that most EU countries should not have to deal with and do not want to!!


A master stoke by Turkey!!!!!!!!!!!


Zan..a clarification. The certain country is not in a conflict. Is just under occupation. Occupators should not have the right even to speak.But certain occupators are lucky. They are dealing with dols !!!(leadership of G/cs ).



You are making the same mistake, for decades, of ignoring the TC factor :roll: Turkey is not the only fruit. If she were then you would have a point. The Zurich agreement and its constitution along with TCs are your problem or it would have been over long ago!!
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Re: Turkey Threatens to Freeze EU Ties Over Cyprus

Postby EPSILON » Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:23 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
antifon wrote:Viewpoint, you have no idea what's coming, do you? I almost feel sorry for you.


What and when? at what stage will you feel stupid for claiming such rubbish.


Rumours...Greece, under financial pressure, is going to lease for 99 years 120 rock Aegean Islands to Russia.!!!Leasing will include the defend /air/sea territory responsibility to leaser.
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Re: Turkey Threatens to Freeze EU Ties Over Cyprus

Postby humanist » Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:25 pm

Greece needs to tax its richer people with hefty tax. The multi-millionnaires need to be encouraged to do the right thing and encouraged to learn to live with less profits and pay appropriate tax, lol
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Re: Turkey Threatens to Freeze EU Ties Over Cyprus

Postby zan » Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:26 pm

EPSILON wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
antifon wrote:Viewpoint, you have no idea what's coming, do you? I almost feel sorry for you.


What and when? at what stage will you feel stupid for claiming such rubbish.


Rumours...Greece, under financial pressure, is going to lease for 99 years 120 rock Aegean Islands to Russia.!!!Leasing will include the defend /air/sea territory responsibility to leaser.



Be careful mate!!! Thats what Turkey did with Cyprus and it got annexed by UK :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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