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[Kikapu]

Its called standing up for your principles Turkey will not do what the GCs want them to do, they do not recognize you so therefore they are willing to freeze the EU process thats how strongly they feel about us.

It has nothing to do with how strongly Turkey feels about you ("kept parasites"), but how she can save face in the world for being at the political mercy of the "little" RoC, when it comes to her own EU dreams, specially from a tiny island that she part occupies.

[antifon]

Viewpoint, you have no idea what's coming, do you? I almost feel sorry for you.

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint, you have no idea what's coming, do you? I almost feel sorry for you.

What and when? at what stage will you feel stupid for claiming such rubbish.

[Viewpoint]

Its called standing up for your principles Turkey will not do what the GCs want them to do, they do not recognize you so therefore they are willing to freeze the EU process thats how strongly they feel about us.

It has nothing to do with how strongly Turkey feels about you ("kept parasites"), but how she can save face in the world for being at the political mercy of the "little" RoC, when it comes to her own EU dreams, specially from a tiny island that she part occupies.

We will all see how things unfold better to tell them to fuck themselves than surrender.

[Kikapu]

Its called standing up for your principles Turkey will not do what the GCs want them to do, they do not recognize you so therefore they are willing to freeze the EU process thats how strongly they feel about us.

It has nothing to do with how strongly Turkey feels about you ("kept parasites"), but how she can save face in the world for being at the political mercy of the "little" RoC, when it comes to her own EU dreams, specially from a tiny island that she part occupies.

We will all see how things unfold better to tell them to fuck themselves than surrender.

Turkey knew all too well what she was getting herself into when she signed up to become a EU member long time ago. Surely she can't be surprised when the EU keeps reminding her that she would need to live up to her part of the bargain. Her Cyprus problems are just the tip of the iceberg for her. She has got the Armenians and the Kurds problems to deal with also. Perhaps Turkey thought she was going to be the next economic and military superpower which the EU was going to fall at Turkey's feet to beg her to become a member to save the EU from itself? If Turkey does not do what she says she will do, why would the GCs trust her with anything, specially with a settlement based on something like the AP. Turkey already violated all her responsibilities to the RoC back in 1974, therefore, no one will take Turkey seriously to keep her word in the future, unless it comes in the form of Democracy, Human Rights, International Law and the EU Principles, which is the reason why the EU will keep Turkey's feet very close to the fire until Turkey agrees to the EU's terms. Turkey is not about to commit an economic suicide by telling the EU to fcuk off. She is just trying to buy as much time as possible in the hopes that her fortunes will change and for her to become an economic and military superpower in the next 6 months, 1 year, 2 years, 10 years, 100 years, 500 years, 1000 years and so on. The odds are stacked against her from becoming one, however!

[Viewpoint]

As I have always stated Turkey is not an EU nation she is just going through the motions to keep foreign investment flowing in, a country that wants to enter just a club tries to pass all the exams Turkeys doesnt even attend them and unless the EU take very hard action (which she is incapable of and would render GC leverage null and void) Turkey will do as she pleases.

[repulsewarrior]

...i got it; Cypriots do not exist.

Only Turks and Brits, that's the secret.

...still bickering over the Treaty of Lausanne.

[Kikapu]

As I have always stated Turkey is not an EU nation she is just going through the motions to keep foreign investment flowing in, a country that wants to enter just a club tries to pass all the exams Turkeys doesnt even attend them and unless the EU take very hard action (which she is incapable of and would render GC leverage null and void) Turkey will do as she pleases.

And I have told you before, that the EU is going along with Turkey's silly game plan by making sure Turkey's economic investments and exports become dependent on the EU, just like a drugs dependent Junkie. Turkey can only keep this silly game going as far as the EU plays along with it, but what will happen to Turkey's economy once the EU kicks Turkey out of membership talks for not fulfilling her obligations. One can only not go to school for so long and just "play hooky" before the student is kicked out. Have you seen Turkey's last 6 months deteriorating trade balance fiasco? And that's with Turkey still in the EU membership talks, in sorts, but imagine how bad it will become when she gets really kicked out. The EU does have a plan for Turkey, to change her for the better. Why do you think the EU let in Cyprus in 2004?

But Turkey thought she was one step ahead of the EU by her and her friends drafting the Annan Plan. It turns out, Tassos Papadopoulos was 10 steps ahead of Turkey and her friends by rejecting the AP, with the blessing of the EU, which put the EU in control of Turkey's EU future rather than Turkey manipulating the EU through the north state had the AP passed in 2004. Turkey was too busy celebrating her victory over the EU way too soon and didn't see the "upper cut punch" coming from Papadopoulos/EU team to knock her out for the count. Cyprus is Turkey's smallest problems when it comes to the EU. Her biggest problems lies with the Kurds and the Armenians. She stands to lose a lot of land in Turkey in the long run. In Cyprus, she can't even officially keep the small part of Cyprus, and she has big plans to take all of Cyprus. Now, that is funny !

But lets say Turkey does not care if her EU investments stops and exports to the EU gets greatly reduced, what would that mean to Turkey, that they can now take over any part of Cyprus for themselves and that the north becomes part of Turkey.? Have you ever heard Turkey ever say that she wants the northern part of Cyprus? If anything, she wants the whole of Cyprus. Are the TCs in the north ready to let Turkey take the north from them and give it too the settlers, officially ? Do you think the EU will just sit and watch as the north is lost? I give you that, that your imagination of all these things happening are very fascinating to a point of it becoming a fantasy.

The more serious point is however, is that by Turkey not delivering what she said she would do withing her EU talks, it basically shows what everyone already really thinks of her, which is, that she cannot be a trusted partner in anything. Just a another "lying Arab" mentality which lying and deceiving to get what they want as being a normal occurrence to be part of their culture. Short term gains but a long term loses, and with this kind of "bazaar mentality", Turkey cannot become a great nation that she wishes to achieve. No a very flattering stigma to have around her neck, to say the least.

[Viewpoint]

I disagree with your imaginary scenarios of doom and gloom as you are a person who hates Turkey to core and will always be anti anything they do, can you quote the economic growth rate of Turkey for the first 3 months of this year in comparison to the rest of the world?

You have to face reality the EU have done nothing with regards to Turkeys reluctance to implement the Ankara Protocol because they find truth in what Turkey is claiming that the EU not only let the TCs down for their YES vote but also did not keep the promises given to Turkey behind the scenes prior to the GC entry into the EU. You can make up doom and gloom stories all you want as we all know this is your illness but to date nothing you have claimed has actually panned out, Turkeys economy grows stronger she is a regional power and looked upto democracy in the Muslim world.

Never under estimate Turkey as you did in 1974 she is always much better when under pressure and will pull the cat of the bag once again to squeeze the GCs into a corner which she is doing right now, all she has to do now is announce the gradual opening of Maras and then you will see the GCs running for cover.

[CBBB]

I disagree with your imaginary scenarios of doom and gloom as you are a person who hates Turkey to core and will always be anti anything they do, can you quote the economic growth rate of Turkey for the first 3 months of this year in comparison to the rest of the world?

You have to face reality the EU have done nothing with regards to Turkeys reluctance to implement the Ankara Protocol because they find truth in what Turkey is claiming that the EU not only let the TCs down for their YES vote but also did not keep the promises given to Turkey behind the scenes prior to the GC entry into the EU. You can make up doom and gloom stories all you want as we all know this is your illness but to date nothing you have claimed has actually panned out, Turkeys economy grows stronger she is a regional power and looked upto democracy in the Muslim world.

Never under estimate Turkey as you did in 1974 she is always much better when under pressure and will pull the cat of the bag once again to squeeze the GCs into a corner which she is doing right now, all she has to do now is announce the gradual opening of Maras and then you will see the GCs running for cover.

Isn't it uncomfortable walking around all day with your head stuck up your arse?